So what happened to Season 2. Did it get retconned out of existence?
Really cool BTW. Is that official or a fan made piece?
Getting Constantine away from NBC might be a huge help. The actor had the personality down perfectly as far as I can tell, though my familiarity with Constantine is only from Moore's Swamp Thing run. The show never got good though, mostly from generic writing but also because other than a watered down Felix Faust and Fate's helmet it was completely cut off from the DCU.
Huh? Flash has only had one season, which was not season 2.
And that is official.
Really am stoked for this.
Probably not since the Adam West Batman or the Superboy TV show, has a superhero show really embraced BEING a superhero show, and run with it. (no pun intended)
Smallville was always about NOT showing him as Superboy. Though they did throw in some stuff at the end like the JSA.
Earth 2! Jay ! I can't wait.
And... Constantine! And Jesse Quick... And Wally West...
This season should be a hoot!
No Max Mercury? or Impulse? Maybe next year.............Come to think of it - DC had an awful lot of speedsters. Marvel had Quicksilver and Mongoose and.............that's all I can think of.
How could you forget the Whizzer? Nobody beats him.
No Max Mercury? or Impulse? Maybe next year.............Come to think of it - DC had an awful lot of speedsters. Marvel had Quicksilver and Mongoose and.............that's all I can think of.
Plus I would die happy if they did an Earth 3 - where Barry and Arrow are the bad guys and people like Heatwave and Captain Cold and Mirror Master are the good guys.
It took me a while to figure out why that cover looks weird: both Barry and Jay are running so that the same-side arm and leg move forward together. Maybe that's the secret to super-speed?
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The Atom Smasher costume doesn't look nearly as bad in motion as it did in stills. I imagine that's because of post production touch up but whatever the reason I'm glad it happened.
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Its actually pasted into the first topic on this post. Not sure how you missed it.
Hmmm, weird. I see the Flash Season Two poster but not the comic cover. Oh well.
And its a pretty famous cover
He is from Earth 2, so I assume an enemy of Jay. But Thawne must have had dealings with Earth 2 as he certainly recognized Jay's hat as it clunked out of the portal.
I've loved Tony Todd ever since he played Worf's brother. He has a great voice.
The season-two preview, during tonight's rerun, showed a Bat-Signal type of spotlight, but with a lightning bolt on it (obviously). In case this device hasn't been named in a comic book by now, I'm taking this opportunity to dub it...the Flash Light.
Oh man that was so good. An emotional roller coaster. Mostly rolling up all loose ends from S1, and laying the groundwork for S2. Good stuff!
Unless you had some conflict, why would you ever wait to watch it after it was broadcast??
That's like asking why I don't throw feces at it while I watch.
Once the invention of the dvr allowed me to skip commercials I haven't watched a show other than sports while it was broadcast. I've even gone beyond that now. My DVR is now basically there to remind me what to download so I can watch it without commercials and at 1.5-1.7x normal speed, depending on the show (ok 1.8x if you count the walking dead). I suppose that'll have to do until I can have things instantaneously beamed into my brain, which really can't come quickly enough for my tastes.
That's like asking why I don't throw feces at it while I watch.
Once the invention of the dvr allowed me to skip commercials I haven't watched a show other than sports while it was broadcast. I've even gone beyond that now. My DVR is now basically there to remind me what to download so I can watch it without commercials and at 1.5-1.7x normal speed, depending on the show (ok 1.8x if you count the walking dead). I suppose that'll have to do until I can have things instantaneously beamed into my brain, which really can't come quickly enough for my tastes.
I don't actually enjoy most of the shows I watch,bfffffffffwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.................... if I don't enjoy something I watch, I stop watching it. I have better things to do with my time than not enjoy myself.
Was good but I am scratching my head on the whole Eddie killing himself so future Thawne never existed.
If this is the case - then the first off how can a person who never existed leave a will on video?
For that matter the whole last 15 years should be different as the original Wells never died so he would have built the accelerator years later, like he did before Thawne interfered in the past. So Barry's mom should be alive and his dad should not be in jail and he should never had had to live with Joe and Iris.
Unless this is explained later in the season, it just doesn't make sense.
That's like asking why I don't throw feces at it while I watch.
Once the invention of the dvr allowed me to skip commercials I haven't watched a show other than sports while it was broadcast. I've even gone beyond that now. My DVR is now basically there to remind me what to download so I can watch it without commercials and at 1.5-1.7x normal speed, depending on the show (ok 1.8x if you count the walking dead). I suppose that'll have to do until I can have things instantaneously beamed into my brain, which really can't come quickly enough for my tastes.
It's comic book logic. Just roll with it and don't think about it and you'll be fine.
Just sit back and enjoy the awesomeness that is Jay Garrick.
(Oh dear god, please don't let them ruin Jay...)
Adam Copeland isn't a big name actor, but he's a big name former wrestler.He plays my favorite pseudo-sidekick in Haven. I looked at my husband, all excited, "Is that ---?" "Yes, that's Dwight." "YES!!!!"
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In the CW universe 30 is old enough to have been in WW2, even without the whole earth being years ahead :P
and yeah doc, that was him taking pictures
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Or Ronnie fell to Earth prime, where he started a semi-successful acting career.With amnesia!
With amnesia!
Must be a new season of Once Upon a Time!
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Anyone think that was Earth-2 at the end? The rocket in the Star Labs lobby looked an awful lot like they way they used to draw Kal-el's rocket in the 1940's and '50's.
That's exactly what I thought when I saw it, too.
oh... and... 52 portals...
bwah-ha-ha-ha
I thought of that and was thinking that we can see things from other Earths as well - Earth 3, 4, 5, whatever.
Unless its something boring like all 52 portals lead to Earth 2.
Also the train we saw at the start of that scene is the kind of vintage, yet futuristic looking technology they used to have in those 40's books as well.
Of course we don't know anything about this version of Wells - he could be a bad guy for all we know.
I just hope this is a season long thing and not wrapped up in like 4 episodes. There is SO much they could do with this multiverse arc.
Heck they could even promote the new Flash film by making that one of the alternate Earth's.
Oh, I'm hoping they go whole hog and make ALL DC part of this Flash show multiverse. It'd be cool to have a crossover between this show and the Justice League cartoon Flash, for instance.
But, they'll never do that. I'm sure the powers-that-be think joe public is too dumb to follow something like that.
I'm kinda disappointed they didn't do the comic book trope, where Jay Garrick is the comic book Flash on Barry's Earth.
I smiled when Jay said he was doing Hard (or Heavy) Water experiments. That's right from his origin story in Flash #1.
Also while I love the helmet, I don't get why he wears it, never did. Isn't that bad aerodynamics?
I'm kinda disappointed they didn't do the comic book trope, where Jay Garrick is the comic book Flash on Barry's Earth.Didn't they give us a quick glimpse of a comic book cover with the Garrick version of the Flash on the cover back in season 1?
Didn't they give us a quick glimpse of a comic book cover with the Garrick version of the Flash on the cover back in season 1?
Of course, there was also Garrick Wharf in Keystone City.
It's based on Hermes/Mercury's helmet from Greco-Roman mythology. It's the same reason that Flash always had wings on his boots ... Hermes had winged sandals that allowed him to fly.
I smiled when Jay said he was doing Hard (or Heavy) Water experiments. That's right from his origin story in Flash #1.
Also while I love the helmet, I don't get why he wears it, never did. Isn't that bad aerodynamics?
Well, in the show, it's his dad's. And if he can run close to the speed of light, maybe it doesn't matter.
I don't know about the comics; probably not. Besides, it's War of the Americas :p
The only thing I hate about this show is Captain Cold and Heat Wave. I've seen better acting from Power Ranger villains.
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So um, frozen lasers?
Yeah, what was up with that?
There's always a line that can be crossed. Freezing beams of light crossed it for me. And I easily accept a lot of things that cause many people to question. But that moment made me have a WTF double-take the likes of which I haven't had since Superman threw a cellophane S from his chest at someone and wrapped them up.
Ok so a guy can run at super speed, throw lightening by using said speed, a guy merges with another guy and shoots flames and flies, yet frozen lasers bother you?
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Except he didn't aim at the emitters, that'd have made too much sense. And the gun's never had an AoE effect before. So I'm still crying foul unless I see that they widened the cone in the patch notes.
Weird. Maybe they fixed Star Labs? It looks like it was intact, in addition to being a tourist attraction.
King Shark showing up pretty much takes the Flash Season Zero comics out of continuity. There not only had Barry already beaten him but he'd joined up with the Suicide Squad. Shouldn't be surprised I suppose. No reason to keep cancelled series in continuity a couple months past cancellation.
He has a personality while Ronnie was about as bland as it's possible for a human being to achieve.
And yet he's still runner up in his own immediate family.
How many guesses do I get that Iris's half brother is named Wally?
Who do you mean?
Full brother!
Who do you mean?
Full brother!
I meant he's the least bland of the amell brothers.
Oh. I thought she had the kid with someone else. My mistake.
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Zoom looks significantly larger than Barry. If Zoom is a regular cast doppleganger, I'd say Joe over Barry.
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So, this week we get the intro of Hawkgirl (Kendra) and Jesse Quick on Flash, plus an off-hand mention of Aquaman (possibly) and on Arrow we get full-frontal Constantine!Jesse Quick is Wells' daughter?
DC sure is going full-on comic geek for TV these days.
Plus the greatest single line on TV in the 21st century, so far, "Our Dr Wells was evil. You're just a dick."
I was also put off by the way they portrayed Jay. I wanted classic Earth-2 Jay, but it looks like we're getting the old-school Jay look with the new-52 Jay personality. Yuck.
What was the deal with Dr Light wanting to kill Linda Park... Still trying to figure out how killing Linda would allow her to stay on Earth 1 and get away from Zoom. Did she mean she would start living as Linda@Earth-1 to "hide" from Zoom? Then why did Atom Smasher (still pissed about them making him a baddie) kill his Earth-1 doppelganger? Someting here makes absolutely no sense.Spoiler for Hidden:
Jesse Quick? I missed something then, could you explain?
The actress playing Wells' daughter is the actress playing Jesse Quick. So, I assume she will be Jesse Quick (or maybe her Earth 1 counterpart, although there isn't a Wells' daughter on Earth 1... that we know of.)
I'm betting since Zoom can apparently steal someone's speed, that he can also lose it, and that will have something to do with the origin of Ms Quick.
And Kendra traveled to Central City because of all the Meta-Humans, and she's from "far away" so I am guessing it's that bird person city that DC has. (The name escapes me.) Although I hope they don't go there and she "grows" wings after strapping on an Nth Metal harness, sorta like the comic. Unfortunately the Hawks are notoriously hard to translate to live action without it looking just plain silly. Hopefully, they'll change it enough to overcome that.
Kendra is Cisco's coffee shop girl.
When I first saw her, she looked familiar, and it bugged me that I couldn't remember where I'd seen her. I didn't make the connection until she actually said "Kendra Saunders". Then, of course, I wondered how I'd missed it, given how much I'd enjoyed the Legends of Tomorrow trailer.
So, anyone think it will take more than half an episode for Barry to heal his broken spine?
I am pretty pissed at Barry being paralyzed. I know he's going to get better, but it's a horrific injury to endure.
It remains to be seen what has happened to his speed. If it's gone, can they use the same treatment to bring back Jay's speed?
Barry getting hit by lightning was all on Jay. Had he not run off, he could have told Barry how that particular trick would have turned out.
That Legends of Tomorrow thing sure has a lot to live up to after that trailer...
Then, I read somewhere that they just started writing it a month ago? Wha huh?
My 2 cents... Zoom is Barry's dad from Earth 2..
According to what I know Zoom doesnt get is power from the Speed Force.. He manipulates time.. so I could see a serum to drain his speed not working on him..
The CW has announced that the upcoming crossover episodes of The Flash and Arrow, branded as "Heroes Join Forces," will be expanded.
The Flash will air from 8 p.m. ET/PT until 9:01:30 p.m. on Tuesday, December 1. Arrow will air from 8 p.m. ET/PT until 9:02:30 p.m. on Wednesday, December 2.
Is it just me or do they pronounce Hawkgirls first name different than on JLU?
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Nice work by Patty too. Even if he had a gun, why not shoot him in the leg or arm? Why square in the chest?Police are trained to aim for the center of mass ie. the chest. That was probably the most realistic part of the scene. ;)
For Egyptians they have way to much head hair... they should have shaved heads and wigs. :p
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I cackled mightily at Trickster's "That was beautiful!"
Trickster seems to have gotten alot more dark during the past 25 years we haven't seen him... from making Flash wear silly boots to wanting to dismember people is quite a jump. Ha Ha!
I like how, while Flash is learning how to better use his powers onscreen, the villains are doing the same, offscreen... "He's FLYING?!?!"
Fantastic.
And even though it's the wrong Wally West, seeing him at the door actually made me misty-eyed for a second. They need to introduce him to Linda Park stat!
Pretty sure his Trickster routine came first.
I keep forgetting that the Star Wars movie is upcoming. I just thought it was a quick little pre-Christmas hurrah for the fans.
Well the Wally in the comics now is black so they are right on track.
I just wonder how he will get his speed - something to do with Zoom I bet.
My gut tells me that Zoom will turn out to be Earth-2 Wally.
I was going along those lines. Either Wally or Barry from Earth 2.I'm sticking with Earth 2 Henry Allen. I think the brief reveal of the Earth 2 Green Arrow's identity was a hint. And that jawline...
I'm sticking with Earth 2 Henry Allen. I think the brief reveal of the Earth 2 Green Arrow's identity was a hint. And that jawline...
OK, so the big reveal (tm) for the big mid-season finale was that Dr Wells is being forced to work with Zoom to steal Barry's speed... or in other words... everything they've already explicitly spelled out to viewers throughout the other episodes?
Well, some websites out there are treating this like it's some big, major revelation.
But, it's exactly, to the letter, what I was expecting with everything we've seen through all the other episodes.
I think Zoom is the Earth-2 Iris West. She's mad that Earth-2 Barry married Earth-2 Patty and they had 2 Earth-2 babies.
Actually, haven't they said that Zoom isn't from Earth-2 but just traveled there just like he traveled to Earth-1? I've been thinking he may be Earth-3 Barry, since that's where the evil doppelgangers all come from.
So, what do they do for season 3? Season 1 = Reverse Flash, Season 2 = Zoom. Are they gonna keep up the season-long arch-villain has superspeed thing? I hope not. That's kinda lazy.
What an out-of-left-field ending...
Season 3's big villain will be -- The TurtleYou sure about that? :P
You sure about that? :P
Looks like either an E2 version or somehow Eddie dying didn't really change a whole lot in the long run.Maybe Thawne somehow ended up on E2, he seemed quite confused... probably about being alive.
Mirror Master is getting introduced soon.tbh I expected him long before the Trickster.
Maybe Thawne somehow ended up on E2, he seemed quite confused... probably about being alive.
Can't say I care though, I'm just glad he's back.
tbh I expected him long before the Trickster.
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Maybe he'll get his speed back with some Quick math.
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Apparently he's supposed to be a mystery until later
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Wild Zoom hypothesis: Jay's lost speed given form.
Didn't Harry say that Zoom wasn't from Earth-2?I can't recall.
I can't recall.
Could it be Hunter Zolomon from another earth (not 1 or 2)? It seems strange they would go to the trouble of introducing Jay's doppleganger and then not use him (Checkov's Gun).
I can't recall.
Could it be Hunter Zolomon from another earth (not 1 or 2)? It seems strange they would go to the trouble of introducing Jay's doppleganger and then not use him (Checkov's Gun).
Would be funny if it were some character we've never seen before. Not that these writers would ever do that, but still.
I'm rooting for it to be Felicity's mom.
I can't recall.
Could it be Hunter Zolomon from another earth (not 1 or 2)? It seems strange they would go to the trouble of introducing Jay's doppleganger and then not use him (Checkov's Gun).
I suspect the answer to your last question may be Vibe.
So my predictions were wrong, still liked it.
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Same here. It looked, for all the world, like he was loitering there, waiting for something to happen.
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Pay more attention to the hair peeking out in the back on some of the closeups if you get the chance.
Finally got to see this week's show, and from what I saw (and the clues already dropped), I would guess that the man in the iron mask is the real Jay Garrick and the Jay Garrick working with the team is actually the Earth 2 Hunter Zoloman aka Zoom. And, that the real plot was to "invent" Velocity-9, not "steal" Barry's speed.
Of course, all that could be a bunch of red herrings to make us think exactly that, too. But, this is TV and the season is building to a climax, so I'm thinking they're not going to be throwing that many more surprise twists into the story.
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Whatever the explanation, I can't resist referring to him as Jay-Z.
Did DC ever designate an Earth-Z? If so, anybody know what it was?
Seriously? You couldn't just open the case to get the helmet? Had to shatter it all over the place?
I think the hint is that girl - she seemed to have two personalities. Maybe Jay was able to split himself?
Seriously? You couldn't just open the case to get the helmet? Had to shatter it all over the place?
That episode was just all kinds of terrible on top of those things though.
Indeed. Jumping Springfield Gorge without hilariously bouncing off the rocks on the way down.
Another meaningless Iris romance.
Contrived destruction to callback to the failure at the beginning of the episode.
Apparent disintegration of poorly named female speedster which is either meaningless or will come up later in awful ways.
Soap opera anger issues.
Anti-climactic "reveal".
And they didn't even create a Jesse Quick speedster. But maybe she'll put her genius to perfecting the speed formula.
And they didn't even create a Jesse Quick speedster. But maybe she'll put her genius to perfecting the speed formula.
That character was actually in the comics - same name and everything, just a different origin. She was given super speed by Lex Luthor.
Am I the only one who's disappointed that Jesse isn't the daughter of Johnny Quick and Liberty Belle in this universe? It'd be cool to have a speedster with invulnerability and super-strength in the DC-TV world. 8)
Ah well.. It's just me.
Well I thought Velocity was supposed to give speed to people who already had access to the Speed Force or at least the meta gene or whatever they are calling it in the TV Universe. So I was surprised that it worked for the girl scientist, unless she had a trait for becoming a meta human.
And if not then why didn't it give Jesse super speed as well?
The thing is in the Flash comics and DC in general there as many speedsters as there were survivors of Krypton - a lot.
Actually in the comics Vandal Savage created V9 and it got released on the streets causing many addicts and speedsters who would soon keel over dead.
Meanwhile Jesse is on her way to Opal city home of Starman and Elongated Man and some other golden age heroes.
Since Flash and Elongated Man are such great friends in the comics, it'd be great to see him on the show.
I just hope they could come up with a better costume. And I wish they could give him a better code-name. "Elongated Man" just plain sucks...
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And I wish they could give him a better code-name. "Elongated Man" just plain sucks...Amazing Vibro-Nose.
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Amazing Vibro-Nose.
Gingo Gringo.
Bend It Ralph.
So is the Supergirl episode out of continuity for Flash? You'd think they'd have made some reference to it at least.
Inspiration! The Hunter Zolomon from the newly changed timeline became Zoom due to something that changed. In the effort to stop Zoom, Barry is responsible for creating him - time travel cliche!
Maybe. Their time travel logic is all over the place anyway. I think I agree with people on another board this is a Jay from yet another Earth that came to E2 looking for a cure.
The show's producer has said outright that Zoom is Hunter Zoloman from Earth 1.
Now, how that fits with Jay from Earth-2, the man in the mask, etc... We'll just have to wait and see.
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Neat, I was all ready to rant about the mounds of ridiculous in that episode and find that it's already been covered. I feel like a proud papa.
I'm so confused.....who the hell is the "real" Jay Garrick and Hunter Zoloman????
Turns out that Waldo *is* the real Slim Shady and he's shacking up with Carmen Sandiego at their summer home in Brigadoon.
Jeez, spoiler button is there for a reason >:(
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I'm beginning to think that they're going to defeat Zoom and we're not going to find out who the man in the iron mask is...The actor who plays Zoom said it will be revealed in the finale.
The actor who plays Zoom said it will be revealed in the finale.
That said, I couldn't bring myself to watch this week's episode after last week's resounding clang of an ending.
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And I just read, that Grodd will probably be the arc-villain for season 3 ;D
Maybe we'll see something like that later, but I'd say first we'll get a Gorilla City arc.
The guy with the tophat might've been the Shade...
I was getting a DS9 - 'wormhole aliens' feeling from this.
Awesome "I don't believe we've met" moment tonight.
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If you're talking about who I think, my impression was that it was Fire.
If you're talking about who I think, my impression was that it was Fire.Same here.
so with 3 days left till the finale and we finally find out who the man in the iron mask is
go who and why ?
my thoughts everyone seems to think its henry allen aka john wesley ship as the real jay garrick cuz of the 90's flash show but he played barry allen not jay garrick so if it is john wesly ship under the mask i say he is a diffrent version of barry not jay garrick?
So I guess next season will deal with theI really hope Snart shows up there and gives him a What the Hell, Hero? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhatTheHellHero)Spoiler for Hidden:
Seeing Barry's dad in profile, I had an idea for a new TV series: a buddy-cop show, co-starring John Wesley Shipp and Bruce Campbell, with Jay Leno as their captain, called "The Chin Squad".
Well Henry told Barry his mother's maiden name was Garrick. That was said for a reason. So the Jay Garrick of Earth 2 could still be him (the actor) just he has a different name. So maybe on E2 he was named Jay and not Henry and maybe he kept his mother's maiden name for some reason, and his son Barry used Allen.
Zoom said to Barry "You wouldn't believe me if I told you." when Barry asked him who was under the mask.
So that's my guess. Jay Garrick is somehow the E2 counterpart of Henry Allen.
Going back to episode 22, "Invincible": Black Siren's statement, that all dopplegangers are mirror images of themselves, is nonsense. If Cisco is right-handed here, and left-handed on Earth-2, then what hand does he use on Earth-3? Earth-60? Earth-117? Sure, there'd be Earths out there where he'd be left-handed (since parallel universes are where events played out differently than they did here, and there are infinite parallel universes), but, since all parallel-universe Ciscos are dopplegangers of our Cisco, they'd ALL have to be left-handed. :/ BUT... they're also dopplegangers of each other, as well.
And Harry of course.
My question is how did Jay get his speed? An E3 particle accelerator or maybe the old comics origin.
Information has already been released that Tom Cavanagh is back next season so we will definitely have some version of Wells as a regular.
And I'm certain that Jay got his speed via the classic comic method. I don't think all the hard water stuff was just thrown in as an easter egg but was actual information Zoom got from Jay.
I am going to miss Teddy. Both good and evil versions of him (ok, so he only pretended to be good) were much more charismatic and likable than Henry, Wally, or Jesse.
Going back to episode 22, "Invincible": Black Siren's statement, that all dopplegangers are mirror images of themselves, is nonsense. If Cisco is right-handed here, and left-handed on Earth-2, then what hand does he use on Earth-3? Earth-60? Earth-117? Sure, there'd be Earths out there where he'd be left-handed (since parallel universes are where events played out differently than they did here, and there are infinite parallel universes), but, since all parallel-universe Ciscos are dopplegangers of our Cisco, they'd ALL have to be left-handed. :/ BUT... they're also dopplegangers of each other, as well.My guess is, she just wanted to see how Cisco would react. Reverb would've instantly called her out on that, Vibe's confusion and stammering was quite a dead give-away.
Now it makes sense why last year his other self warned him off.So far we have one child Barry in the house, one who removed child Barry, one who watched, one who warned the watcher not to intervene and one who stopped the Reverse Flash.
I bet after he screwed up the future, when he goes back to fix it, his other self will tell him not too.
And I am also sure we haven't seen the last of Zoom either.He looked quite a lot like the Black Racer, when he was getting dragged into the Speed Force/Time Stream/whatever.
Information has already been released that Tom Cavanagh is back next season so we will definitely have some version of Wells as a regular.Barry defeated Thawne (did he kill him? If not, what could he do with him?), who then had no reason to kill and impersonate Wells to fabricate the particle accelerator explosion a decade earlier than it would've originally happened.
So far we have one child Barry in the house, one who removed child Barry, one who watched, one who warned the watcher not to intervene and one who stopped the Reverse Flash.
Isn't it getting a bit crowded in there? Especially since at some point in season 3 there will be one Barry to stop the one who stopped Thawne and who will then possibly become the one who warned himself earlier :o
I'm going to enumerate the Flashes that are in the room and their roles so that we can maybe make sense of this. Kevin Smith on his podcast said he couldn't wait until the final season where there are 87 Barry's in the room. ;)
YB - Young Barry who is native to this point in time
S1B - Season 1 Barry who's hiding in the other room after travelling back from the S1E23 Finale
S2B - Season 2 Barry who stopped the Reverse Flash (RF) from killing his Mom in S2E23 Finale
S3B - Season 3 Barry who will have to go back at some point in S3 to fix the mess S2B made.
SXB - Season X Barry who chased the RF back in time. He has a bright red costume instead of a maroon one. He appears to be from the farthest in the future.
It is my understanding that SXB is the same one that tells S1B not to save his mom AND saved YB from the RF. S2B travelling back undid the timeline and that's why S1B faded from existence. I'm not exactly sure how you get a time remnant vs. getting erased from existence works. Why S1B didn't disintegrate like Wells-RF isn't clear. Maybe it depends on whether the timeline is changing as a result of your current actions? It's all a little Timey-Wimey.
I think we're in the middle of a self-correcting paradox and it will eventually stabilize when Barry stops going back in time to this point. I think SXB is the final trip from the farthest in the future. I suspect that S3B will go back and stop S2B (in the street, maybe), thereby restoring the timeline, unless there are future seasons who are still making plans to come back here.
There must have been an original Flash that started this all, but I'm not sure how to reconcile him with the SXB who tells Barry not to change the timeline, assuming they're the same person. Perhaps he learned from other experiences not to mess with events? RF-Wells said that he just moved up the timeline of how the Flash was created so it must have happened with the original Wells at a later date. This makes me think that we started the TV show in the middle of the Paradox and not with the "first" Flash. The First Flash must have had both parents growing up and still got powers later on as a result of the particle accelerator explosion.
I wish the writers were a little more consistent with how their time travel works. I get the impression that it's like magic to them, but even magic has rules; they're just very different. You still need to be consistent in order to play fair with the audience.
If Eddie is killed in the past - Thawne is never born. So the entire history of all that first season should have been erased.
But it wasn't - everyone still remembered Thawne and everything that happened. What makes it worse is that in this finale they got it right - Barry changes the past so his other self is wiped from existence.
The time travel logic is working like it does in virtually ever other time traveling in a series or movie. Those involved in the change remember it even if everybody else forgets it. And because time wants to happen the closer to now the change in the past was made the less it affects the world. Eobard was wiped from existence but the timeline attempts to remain stable by wibbly wobbling around so that Wells actually did accelerate his work and cause the explosion sooner than originally even though he was the real Wells instead of the replaced version.
Because I am a sci-fi and comic book nerd, I accept this sort of time travel nonsense as par for the course. It's a sort of Mobius knot of continuity, and thus any attempt to force linear perceptions onto it will end up strange.
time travel required them to ride a three eyed donkey through a fountain of puddingMy life will now be incomplete until I see this on the screen.
I don't mind it being ridiculous, especially as the time travel logic wouldn't be as ridiculous as some of the other writing on these shows if time travel required them to ride a three eyed donkey through a fountain of pudding. I'd just like them to pick a metaphysics of time travel and stick with it. If you add in legends of tomorrow they have practically every fictional time travel logic all being true depending on the episode, and there have been episodes with three or four different ones operating within minutes of each other.
The title of episode #301 has just been released.(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-_jizTty9qYM%2FVb1BubQkLEI%2FAAAAAAAAC54%2FTM9-legp2pk%2Fs1600%2Fredd%252Bfox.gif)
Flashpoint.
Well I expect tv show and movie time travel logic to be, well, logical.
Like 'Days of Future Past'..................... or the Terminator films.
The title of episode #301 has just been released.
Flashpoint.
You think the time travel of the Terminator films is "logical"?It's a lot better than what's going on in the Flash.
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You think the time travel of the Terminator films is "logical"?
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