New efforts!

[TheBeatnik]

                               ----the original artist was an obscure band called KLAATU. ---fyi

A band who, at the time were briefly rumored to be the Beatles in disguise.

[Arcana]

Unfortunatly, its the closest MMO to CoH that I have found so far....

Either SWTOR has been changed to be completely unrecognizable from my time playing it, or dementia is finally setting in and I imagined my playtime with City of Heroes while staring at a magic eye poster.

[GenericHero05]

Enough already!  Sign the freakin' deal... (please)

[MM3squints]

Enough already!  Sign the freakin' deal... (please)

이미 충분히! freaken 계약 에 서명.... (하시기 바랍니다)

I think they can read it like that better.

[GenericHero05]

이미 충분히! freaken 계약 에 서명.... (하시기 바랍니다)

I think they can read it like that better.

Sweet!

[Power Gamer]

i so much wanna hit the slopes!

[lotus]

I heard NcSoft laid off 60 staff members from Wildstar...........They said they were restructuring.

[Nyx Nought Nothing]

Either SWTOR has been changed to be completely unrecognizable from my time playing it, or dementia is finally setting in and I imagined my playtime with City of Heroes while staring at a magic eye poster.

Yeah, i don't see much similarity between SWTOR and CoH. There are some definite similarities between SWTOR and WoW, but CoH not so much. i'd put CO much closer in both looks and gameplay. i've had fun in SWTOR despite how terrible i think the game's code is (and how terrible it can make the game look), but it's not much like CoH in gameplay or appearance.

[ivanhedgehog]

Yeah, i don't see much similarity between SWTOR and CoH. There are some definite similarities between SWTOR and WoW, but CoH not so much. i'd put CO much closer in both looks and gameplay. i've had fun in SWTOR despite how terrible i think the game's code is (and how terrible it can make the game look), but it's not much like CoH in gameplay or appearance.

swtor is the only game that appeals to me in any way right now, and not a day goes by that my wife or I comment on how much better coh was

[Sinistar]

I heard NcSoft laid off 60 staff members from Wildstar...........They said they were restructuring.

part of that could be trimming the staff from what was needed pre-launch to post launch.
The other part would be that Wildstar is likely not doing that well.

[ivanhedgehog]

part of that could be trimming the staff from what was needed pre-launch to post launch.
The other part would be that Wildstar is likely not doing that well.

less than 50k subscribers is what I heard...they catered to the hardcore......

[Sinistar]

less than 50k subscribers is what I heard...they catered to the hardcore......

So....since CoH's inglorious shutdown, how many new NCSoft games have failed?

[LaughingAlex]

less than 50k subscribers is what I heard...they catered to the hardcore......

The developers themselves were stop having fun guys, and even acted like it.  So likewise, anyone with any moderation was turned off from that.  Not to mention people probably saw gameplay, and thought they'd "seen it before".  It's instantly discouraging to see "Stop having fun guys" as developers because they generally aren't going to actually innovate.  And course, making a WoW clone always was a sure way to fail :/.

[archaist]

The developers themselves were stop having fun guys, and even acted like it.  So likewise, anyone with any moderation was turned off from that.  Not to mention people probably saw gameplay, and thought they'd "seen it before".  It's instantly discouraging to see "Stop having fun guys" as developers because they generally aren't going to actually innovate.  And course, making a WoW clone always was a sure way to fail :/.

I was an avid beta tester for Wildstar. In my opinion they had a really really good game, however they failed to deliver on many fronts. The amount of bugs on release was a huge turn off, when many of the bugs were reported before launch. The game was obviously pushed for that release date. UI, UI, UI - god they had a terrible UI. Which is a major turnoff for new people coming to the game.
And the biggest reason why I left was class balance, felt like the developers where ignore critical parts in classes (esper comes to mind) when again feedback was provided in beta.

Now many of this stuff might have changed as Ive quit, but if your trying to retain membership then getting the key stuff down the first time, or at least close enough, is critical.

On a side note the housing just made me want to play CoH that much more again. Housing was something that Wildstar got right, and WoD has failed to deliver in garrisons. Fingers still crossed for guild housing.

[Scendera]

On a side note the housing just made me want to play CoH that much more again. Housing was something that Wildstar got right, and WoD has failed to deliver in garrisons. Fingers still crossed for guild housing.

Gonna say I actually love my garrison...but I'm not a particularly creative person, just someone who finds a lot of satisfaction in accomplishing tasks.

[rebel 1812]

why haven't we heard anything new since september?  I'm starting to lose faith.

[KennonGL]

why haven't we heard anything new since september?  I'm starting to lose faith.

We're all impatient, but the reality is that business actions like these take MONTHS
and MONTHS to work out.  It's just the way business with a large corporation works.

Try looking at it from the other angle.  We haven't heard anything, so the negotiations
must still be making progress, however slowly.

[Joshex]

in regards to the CoH shutdown and the wildstar shutdown or any MMO shut down this is a backup statement if negotiations don't work;

We bought physical CD's and DVDs of a game, it did state a subscription and internet connection were required to play the game, it did not state this was subject to the availability of subscriptions, nor that it was the developers right to shut down the game.

We created characters, which by the City of heroes EULA/ToS are defined as entirely owned by us the creators (to avoid legal liability). we now own those characters but cannot use them in the method we desire, this is a breach of our rights.

The game that we paid for, was shut down/sunset even though there was an alternative for the company to merely place it in self-run maintenance mode which would be beneficial to both parties.

failure to have done so and the choice of shutting down the medium has resulted in a purchased product being taken from us the customer, attempts were made to 'buy us out' by paying us back subscription fees during the final months. However the wording used in this buy-out did not proclaim that we were giving up our rights to the parts of the game we had purchased rights to play previously, Architect edition, heroes and villains edition ETC. The sales of the right to play this content was not reimbursed nor stipulated in the buy-out.

Compensation for time wasted, using a product for entertainment achievements only to have all those achievements taken away is defined under business trade as an offense where compensation is due for time spent on the product. In short they issued a partial buy-out but not a total recall. The total recall would force them to pay back all subscription fees in the history of the game's life as well as the money earned from the sales of all booster packs in compensation for time wasted.

[Power Gamer]

From the EULA

(c) License Grant - Any Service, Content or Software supplied by NCsoft is licensed, not sold, by NCsoft. All title and rights not expressly granted in this agreement, including but not limited to any IP right and the display thereof, are retained by NCsoft and/or third-parties under agreement with NCsoft. NCsoft hereby grants You a revocable, non-exclusive, license for personal and non-commercial use of Service,   

[Joshex]

From the EULA

(c) License Grant - Any Service, Content or Software supplied by NCsoft is licensed, not sold, by NCsoft. All title and rights not expressly granted in this agreement, including but not limited to any IP right and the display thereof, are retained by NCsoft and/or third-parties under agreement with NCsoft. NCsoft hereby grants You a revocable, non-exclusive, license for personal and non-commercial use of Service,

Service yes, I agree what I said is in regard to the physical products sold to us. Those were not under the EULA and in their text grant us admission to play the content we bought, check the cases. It's why they stopped selling disks. because they violate this: "Any Service, Content or Software supplied by NCsoft is licensed, not sold, by NCsoft." this is the introduction text to the license section, if the introduction does not match, then this license section does not hold sway over said product or the abilities it grants.

I believe the disk content goes up to good Vs evil or going rogue, it's been so long I forget. correcting myself it's good vs evil and mac special edition.

also while looking for the answer to what I forgot it seems wikipedia lists the suit with marvel as the shutdown reason. Can we trust that?