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[Harpospoke]

WRONG only TWO of those are robots!

The Vision is an android, the original Human Torch who was reconstructed to be a sleeper agent by Ultron!

YOU LOSE!

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I reject your reality and replace it with my own.    8)

[HEATSTROKE]

One of the most often cited things I heard from new players that made them want to stick around was the friendliness of veterans, their willingness to bend over backwards to help new players and team with them. The other strength is the sidekicking system, which makes teaming easy across vast level differences.

Getting their characters back = more veterans playing = more friendly ones to help new players = more new players sticking around. I don't buy the "clean slate is good for the health of the game" argument one bit. There is no scenario in which it can result in more active players than if the character data is available.

The SS/FA brutes farming AE don't have much attachment, so if they have to start over they'll just park in AE and PL themselves up to 50 again. Friendly die-hard vets with deep attachments and RPers are more likely to not want to start over, and they are the people we want in order to make the game a good environment for new players.

This x1000

[Fable]

One of the most often cited things I heard from new players that made them want to stick around was the friendliness of veterans, their willingness to bend over backwards to help new players and team with them. The other strength is the sidekicking system, which makes teaming easy across vast level differences.

Getting their characters back = more veterans playing = more friendly ones to help new players = more new players sticking around. I don't buy the "clean slate is good for the health of the game" argument one bit. There is no scenario in which it can result in more active players than if the character data is available.

The SS/FA brutes farming AE don't have much attachment, so if they have to start over they'll just park in AE and PL themselves up to 50 again. Friendly die-hard vets with deep attachments and RPers are more likely to not want to start over, and they are the people we want in order to make the game a good environment for new players.

Wow, a well thought out response with very good points and no snide comments/backhanded comments/double speak. See this is how you argue a point.

[Kistulot]

As always, great job Codewalker :)

Of course some of those brutes were pretty awesome doing their farm XP runs - I remember some levels (like when you hit right where your enhancements all go to crap or your endurance suddenly cant keep up) that I wasn't having fun with being made a lot smoother by helping out a brute or two.

Theres one thing we can all agree on, this game had a lot of room to play it a lot of different ways. AE, TFs, contacts... heck, I'm certain that I spent hours in Ouro.

[Winter Fable]

I think this is a fallacy.. the " player base " thing to me is sooo overblown.. a lot of the issue mught have been the server you were on.. Every character I owned was a level 50.. and I ran Incarnate TF's.. and Mothership Raids.. and Hami's.. and every TF in the book.. and never really saw a distinct problem getting a team.. In fact if anything the addition of Going Rogue removed the separation for many.. allowing people to play BOTH villain and Hero side (all of my villains switched to Rogues.. one because it was actually a part of their background and two because it allowed me to team with anyone I wanted at anytime...

If anyone separated themselves it wasn't the developers that did it.. It was the players by choice..

I played on freedom.I played five and half years.The last 2 years you could tell a difference if you were not in an SG or really tried to keep up with the Incarnate stuff.The people that played red side would always say how hard it was to team,again if you were not part of a SG,and we all know what was said on the forums when AE started.
Instead of missions many were power lvling there.Good or bad it meant less people outside of Atlas Park. Going Rogue did the same thing for about 3 or 4 months and then it became a ghost town.My husband and I had a really good friend list and we ran Pugs several times a week.As the friend list got smaller and smaller and Pugs became our main form of teaming from what I experienced it seemed other than radio's and certain TF's,teaming took a lot longer to start and finish.

[HEATSTROKE]

I played on freedom.I played five and half years.The last 2 years you could tell a difference if you were not in an SG or really tried to keep up with the Incarnate stuff.The people that played red side would always say how hard it was to team,again if you were not part of a SG,and we all know what was said on the forums when AE started.
Instead of missions many were power lvling there.Good or bad it meant less people outside of Atlas Park. Going Rogue did the same thing for about 3 or 4 months and then it became a ghost town.My husband and I had a really good friend list and we ran Pugs several times a week.As the friend list got smaller and smaller and Pugs became our main form of teaming from what I experienced it seemed other than radio's and certain TF's,teaming took a lot longer to start and finish.

I played on Virtue.. never had a problem running anything i ever wanted to run.. ever..

[Last Known Hero]

The assumption is the new devs will be reverse engineering the disc image of CoH that NCsoft is offering so they can learn how the game works (because there were no development materials or documentation found for them to work with). And they want to basically transition the game to the Unreal 4 Engine upon which it would be rechristened "City of Heroes 2." Transitioning the game to a new engine from the ground up will also allow them to improve and add upon the game themselves much more easily than trying to create tools to work with the old clunky Cryptic Engine.

That would definitely be a smart move, working with UE4 is a breeze. But I feel like that supports what I was saying, the assumption has progressed into a detailed story of how it will happen and anyone who comes in on this conversation might mistake it for fact. It hasn't been confirmed (everything has been said as "may", "might", etc.) and I don't want people to get ahead of themselves as any rumor has the possibility to hinder efforts.

For example, NC might only be selling CoH to get going as a automated system or as a continuing development, who knows. If they aren't willing to do a CoH2 then they might feel that the new team is hiding their true intent and might not care for the situation.

It's definitely not a big deal I was just wondering if this passed through anyone else's mind. I don't want people who are just coming in to get the wrong impression either.

EDIT:

Don't say anything, it can only serve to be construed and sensationalized by others or another game news outlet.

This is basically what I was getting at too :P just saw someone quote it

[JanessaVR]

I played on Virtue.. never had a problem running anything i ever wanted to run.. ever..

Me, too.  I managed to fill ITF's at midnight on Virtue on a regular basis.

[Luna Eclypse]

One of the most often cited things I heard from new players that made them want to stick around was the friendliness of veterans, their willingness to bend over backwards to help new players and team with them.

Guilty. I did go the extra mile for a lot of people over the years. Once I even donated to a newbie a well funded SG I had become owner of after all of it's members left it or quit the game entirely. They really wanted to start their own SG... so I gave them a friendly free headstart.

[Ohioknight]

I reject your reality and replace it with my own.    8)

Your listing Vision in the robot list just made me think of the "how many robots" duel between Billy and St. Cloud. in "What Color is Your Cleansuit"  ;D

[Dareon Kale]

Huh, it occurs to me that I'm going to have to figure out which story arc with time travel is available earliest, just in case we do not get the data back. The Ouro portal is way to handy at lower levels to leave off until level 50.

[Nyx Nought Nothing]

Don't say anything, it can only serve to be construed and sensationalized by others or another game news outlet.

Just blink once for "yes," twice for "no."  ;)

Blink three times for "I got dust in my eyes."

Well, we finally hit 200 pages of posts today, so that's something.

Will some of my enthusiasm be dampened if we have to start over from scratch? Yes, actually. While i frequently made new alts and almost never used PLing to level them up, mostly running regular missions and TFs in addition to scanner/paper missions, it's also true i tended to rely on the resources of my other alts to smooth the process and supply seed funds. Also having a robust market where almost everything i wanted was available was a definite plus. A market that would presumably be empty if the game starts over at zero. i will definitely be eager to play if/when the game comes back, but i will probably actually spend less time playing with random groups of new players for at least the first couple of months while i focus on building up some resources despite the fact that one of my most enduring sources of entertainment was joining random PuGs.

[Teikiatsu]

I played on Virtue.. never had a problem running anything i ever wanted to run.. ever..

As did I.  I commented that the *experienced* players with stables of 50s were the ones I had a hard time keeping up with once they got into Incarnate levels.  The Hamidon raids were falling apart without the usual leadership, and the newer players were worse than herding cats.  A tipping point came where there were more new people than veterans, and too many chefs working the hami goo. 

[ukaserex]

I could be wrong. I've certainly been wrong before.

While I understand that all the characters we created and their storylines are now property of NCSoft, our banking information is not. I'm no expert, but I'm thinking that NCSoft can't sell our names to the company that wants to purchase CoH. I certainly am no lawyer and I can't say why I think that, but I would find it highly unlikely and unusual.

I suppose it would be possible for them to seperate our CC info from our usernames and passwords (am pretty sure I remember mine), but something in the back of my head tells me that there would be a lot of players who wouldn't remember, as it's been over a year and may likely become 2 years before this is finalized one way or another. Wasn't there some issue that some players had with verifying their account info? I might be able to remember my e-mail address from 2004, but that account got hacked and I never did get control of it again. I "might" have my old codes from the game box sets I bought, but I don't think that would be enough to prove I was me.

I also realize this is all rampant speculation. I just wanted to speculate with the rest of you.
Off to bed for me now. Y'all have fun.

[ivanhedgehog]

I pretty much rode the TF train with a starting blue toon, even if a villain AT.

L1-10 the Underground TF for beginners (repeated 2-3 times)
L10-20 Positron/Synapse
L20-25 Psyche/Moonfire
L25-30 Citadel/Hess
L30-35 Hannon/Manticore
L35-40 Numina/Cimerora

If I needed to make it over the hump I'd see if there were any interesting missions to run, or help out someone in my SG.

L40 is where it got rough for a few levels unless you wanted to run Sarah Moore.  That's where I'd go to Oroboros and maybe grab some missions for badges, start working on recipes, run to AE for some tickets and purchase some salvage and recipes, etc.  Maybe go Rogue, get a PPP if it fit the toon, go back to blue.

Then at L45 I'd get on the Shard and Lady Grey missions, some Hami's.

Then Incarnate.

Did anyone have the impression that Incarnate was pulling the older players out of the TF and Hami pool?  It seemed like it was getting harder and harder to find experienced characters to take part in those things,

I had a friend that hit 50 on hit stone tank killing recluse. what a way to level

[Golden Girl]

I pretty much rode the TF train with a starting blue toon, even if a villain AT.

L1-10 the Underground TF for beginners (repeated 2-3 times)

Sewer Trial - level 1-10s on the Underground Trial would have been...interesting :P

[Ankhammon]

Guilty. I did go the extra mile for a lot of people over the years. Once I even donated to a newbie a well funded SG I had become owner of after all of it's members left it or quit the game entirely. They really wanted to start their own SG... so I gave them a friendly free headstart.

Most of the time when I deleted a character he would have like 100k or so inf. I would go to atlas and look for someone who just seemed like they were new and give them the money.

I loved the "Oh wow! thanks a lot" kind of response when we all knew it was just about enough cash to get them SOs and not much more.

I used to love being rich. :)

[Everfreefire]

Huh, it occurs to me that I'm going to have to figure out which story arc with time travel is available earliest, just in case we do not get the data back. The Ouro portal is way to handy at lower levels to leave off until level 50.

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Entrusted_with_the_Secret_Badge

Looks like the lowest level you could get it was 20 blueside without help.
Maybe 15 redside? I recall always outleveling that particular arc if I wasn't careful.

[Ankhammon]

I pretty much rode the TF train with a starting blue toon, even if a villain AT.

L1-10 the Underground TF for beginners (repeated 2-3 times)
L10-20 Positron/Synapse
L20-25 Psyche/Moonfire
L25-30 Citadel/Hess
L30-35 Hannon/Manticore
L35-40 Numina/Cimerora

If I needed to make it over the hump I'd see if there were any interesting missions to run, or help out someone in my SG.

L40 is where it got rough for a few levels unless you wanted to run Sarah Moore.  That's where I'd go to Oroboros and maybe grab some missions for badges, start working on recipes, run to AE for some tickets and purchase some salvage and recipes, etc.  Maybe go Rogue, get a PPP if it fit the toon, go back to blue.

Then at L45 I'd get on the Shard and Lady Grey missions, some Hami's.

Then Incarnate.

Did anyone have the impression that Incarnate was pulling the older players out of the TF and Hami pool?  It seemed like it was getting harder and harder to find experienced characters to take part in those things,

Doesn't Posi start at level 12?

I definitely thought Incarnate stuff was pulling older players out of the TF route. It was something they could take all their favorite chars into to improve them... and many of us had lots of level 50s. I even had some characters that I'd shelved at 50 because I didn't really enjoy them as much but then started to take them out for incarnate stuff cuz Mids told me to. :)

[Blackstar5]

WRONG only TWO of those are robots!

The Vision is an android, the original Human Torch who was reconstructed to be a sleeper agent by Ultron!

YOU LOSE!

https://images.weserv.nl/?url=people.wku.edu%2Fdouglas.smith%2FBilly_Quizboy.JPG

Wrong Vision was a SYNTHAZOID.