New efforts!

[Super Firebug]

I took SS in DCUO - that was probably the most ridiculously large amount of fun I had in that game, was speeding up the sides of buildings and leaping off.

Reminds me of when I got Ninja Run. I loved jumping from the roof of the building across the street to the west of KR's train station, and trying to land on the main platform of the station, at the top of the ramps.

Also, 10,000 replies in under six months!

[Luna Eclypse]

I didn't even think the argument of "want my toons back" vs. "want a clean slate" was that serious. I'm good either way. Would be awesome to get all my characters back but, at the same time, I still have all my costume files saved and character bios in text docs if we have to start over so I won't lose much time to the character creation process in getting them back up and going again.

[JanessaVR]

I still have all my costume files saved and character bios in text docs if we have to start over so I won't lose much time to the character creation process in getting them back up and going again.

I've been spending several evenings loading up Titan Icon and going through nearly 600 saved costumes, carefully picking and updating the best ones to form a large and expansive wardrobe for the new character I've created in hope/anticipation of being able to play her.

[Super Firebug]

I didn't even think the argument of "want my toons back" vs. "want a clean slate" was that serious. I'm good either way. Would be awesome to get all my characters back but, at the same time, I still have all my costume files saved and character bios in text docs if we have to start over so I won't lose much time to the character creation process in getting them back up and going again.

My concern isn't so much whether or not I get my toons back. Which ones of my toons I'll be able to use or rebuild will depend on how many character slots I have on my chosen server, and whether or not I still have access to controllers, masterminds and my purchased power sets. Whether or not I still have access to my unlocked costume pieces will determine how many of my saved costumes will need retooling. And, of course, my ability to buy them again will depend on my employment/financial state at the time. :( So those are my real concerns: will I have to re-purchase them, and will I be able to?

[Battlechimp]

I didn't even think the argument of "want my toons back" vs. "want a clean slate" was that serious. I'm good either way. Would be awesome to get all my characters back but, at the same time, I still have all my costume files saved and character bios in text docs if we have to start over so I won't lose much time to the character creation process in getting them back up and going again.

For me, if we get our characters back, the first thing I'm going to do is make the last push to get Captain Neat-O to level 50.  He was one of my very first characters I ever made, had a version of him on almost every server. Different ATs and power sets, but always with Energy of some kind.  I never got one of him to 50

If we do not get our character's back, after first reclaiming all my old names, I'm going  to make the push to get Captain Neat-O to 50 :)

So either way I'm good.
As long as I have a way to get Power Slide and the boxing costume options, I'll be just fine

[Kistulot]

I know it may not seem like I appreciate how everyone feels at times - but I feel the same way! The pent up emotions are hard to hold back at times. Yes, looking back at my last signature post - I have to step back and not give in to my own feelings on this - it is business. I try and keep that in mind when I am asked the same question multiple times - the person may not have read it elsewhere and they are here in this forum so they want the game back too.

We all have the same goal and we are still here and new folks find us all the time!

Oh hey no, I think we all understand the position you're in and greatly respect how you've chosen to play your role. You havent been at all possessive of this process, you've kept us as informed as you can, all around you've been great and shown your dedication to the game and your respect for the community in spades. So three cheers for you, and here's hoping we get to show the ropes to a bunch of newbies who roll their first toon ever in 2015! :)

[Taceus Jiwede]

"I want to play my 8 year old blaster, Mr. Blastypants"

Thats Dr. Blastypants!

[Surelle]

I didn't even think the argument of "want my toons back" vs. "want a clean slate" was that serious. I'm good either way. Would be awesome to get all my characters back but, at the same time, I still have all my costume files saved and character bios in text docs if we have to start over so I won't lose much time to the character creation process in getting them back up and going again.

I backed up my characters with Sentinel; whether I wind up using them or not, I'll still be playing CoH if it comes back up.

I am just thinking aloud here, but I personally wonder that if The Mystery Team TM succeeds in getting CoH, they'll perhaps do something like maybe charge the old $15 a month sub and just unlock all the previous vet rewards so everyone can get right back up to where they were at least in that regard. 

They're likely to run CoH at issue 24 period, in maintenance mode, without ever adding to it in the future much, more intent upon making CoH 2, right?  So A.) they will need steady income to support the making of CoH 2 which basic subs would provide and B.) I really don't know that players will be able to stand to wait 9 more years, or that CoH will still be running in 9 more years to ever even get the chance to hit all those faraway vet rewards.  Plus, many players have already paid for those time and again over the years.... 

I don't know, this is just my musing.  But especially if we can't get our characters and accounts back, it's going to be awkward, or very costly to perhaps pay so much money to get all the way back to the top-tier rewards again....  They'll figure out something, and I'm sure they'll think it through thoroughly; I guess it will depend most upon how much player character info is either A.) left at NCSoft or B.) allowed from the Sentinel backup program (and how vet rewards from Sentinel characters will function/appear in game if they're on all-new accounts-- or even if they're on our old accounts!).

I'll play CoH no matter what happens though.

[Last Known Hero]

It seems to me that more and more posts are about CoH2, I thought that was complete speculation.

Is it speculation where after all these posts its become what people think as fact? Or has it been confirmed at some point? It's hard to keep up with what is a rumor that takes off or what is true.

Also if it is true, be careful what you wish for. I remember when I supported guild wars as well, nothing in GW2 felt the same, so it might not feel quite like home.

[JanessaVR]

As was suggested in another thread, if we have to start over, it would be a nice touch to offer a "Welcome Back Pack" for sale in the Paragon Market with tons of premium gear/costumes/powers, possibly old vet badges, etc.  This would get us vets back on our feet quickly and give them some extra startup money on top of subscriptions.

[DarkCurrent]

I backed up my characters with Sentinel; whether I wind up using them or not, I'll still be playing CoH if it comes back up.

I am just thinking aloud here, but I personally wonder that if The Mystery Team TM succeeds in getting CoH, they'll perhaps do something like maybe charge the old $15 a month sub and just unlock all the previous vet rewards so everyone can get right back up to where they were at least in that regard. 

They're likely to run CoH at issue 24 period, in maintenance mode, without ever adding to it in the future much, more intent upon making CoH 2, right?  So A.) they will need steady income to support the making of CoH 2 which basic subs would provide and B.) I really don't know that players will be able to stand to wait 9 more years, or that CoH will still be running in 9 more years to ever even get the chance to hit all those faraway vet rewards.  Plus, many players have already paid for those time and again over the years.... 

I don't know, this is just my musing.  But especially if we can't get our characters and accounts back, it's going to be awkward, or very costly to perhaps pay so much money to get all the way back to the top-tier rewards again....  They'll figure out something, and I'm sure they'll think it through thoroughly; I guess it will depend most upon how much player character info is either A.) left at NCSoft or B.) allowed from the Sentinel backup program (and how vet rewards from Sentinel characters will function/appear in game if they're on all-new accounts-- or even if they're on our old accounts!).

I'll play CoH no matter what happens though.

I'd think there'd be plenty of money between the subs and the various goodies that were available or about to become available with I24 in the store:

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Super_Pack/Rogues_and_Vigilantes

Especially if there's no character data and people want to start over.  A lot of boosts and buffs and IO sets could be purchased to make off for lost loot.

But yes, just unlock all the vet rewards, costume sets and powersets rather than trying to get people to pay for that stuff 2x.  That will just piss off potential returning vet customers.

[Luna Eclypse]

It seems to me that more and more posts are about CoH2, I thought that was complete speculation.

Is it speculation where after all these posts its become what people think as fact? Or has it been confirmed at some point? It's hard to keep up with what is a rumor that takes off or what is true.

Also if it is true, be careful what you wish for. I remember when I supported guild wars as well, nothing in GW2 felt the same, so it might not feel quite like home.

The assumption is the new devs will be reverse engineering the disc image of CoH that NCsoft is offering so they can learn how the game works (because there were no development materials or documentation found for them to work with). And they want to basically transition the game to the Unreal 4 Engine upon which it would be rechristened "City of Heroes 2." Transitioning the game to a new engine from the ground up will also allow them to improve and add upon the game themselves much more easily than trying to create tools to work with the old clunky Cryptic Engine.

[Kistulot]

But yes, just unlock all the vet rewards, costume sets and powersets rather than trying to get people to pay for that stuff 2x.  That will just piss off potential returning vet customers.

Here here! I realize they need money and not having a lot I'll want a cheaper sub option or some variety of F2P, etc, but I bought a lot of things and I'm currently not as financially swimmin in it as I was before. While I'll be back no matter what, if I lost all of the stuff I nabbed I'm going to be pretty meh about the whole affair. I'll understand if there's no other option, obviously, but there'll be a bit of discomfort there, too.

[Teikiatsu]

Regarding the idea of getting all our stuff back...

From what I have seen, NCSoft will have to be able to reconstruct it all at 100% or they won't release any of it.  Remember, they were litigious enough that they announced the shutdown 90-91 days before it actually happened, then shut down pre-pay subbing.  That was so they could avoid any 3-month pre-paid subscription lawsuits.

If they think that they can't fulfill every legacy player's accounts, they won't risk a lawsuit.  As someone said earlier, we don't own any of the toons we made nor all the time and effort we put into them.  As per EULA, we paid NCSoft for the priviledge to log in and manipulate their game.  If they release some legacy accounts to some people but are unable to release to *every* account to *every* previous player, some lawyer somewhere might see an opportunity to get a settlement for 'emotional distress' or something similar.

Would I like to get all my stuff, and my wife's stuff back?  Hell yes!  But not if someone else can't also get all their stuff back too.  In that case, fair's fair and we all should restart at Square One.  If we are heroes, we should be prepared to sacrifice. (edited)

[Harpospoke]

Why? IF the game comes back, think of all the new people the news of its return will draw. You really think people want to hop on a game that, for intents and purposes, is new (at least to them) only see a bunch of 50 ss/fa brutes hanging out in AE waiting to start their next farm? You think that's good for the health of the game? I don't. The people that have played before will level in no time at all. The people that haven't will have a wealth of veterans to draw on for help and advice in the lower levels. See, I'm looking at it from a health of the game perspective not from the "I want to play my 8 year old blaster, Mr. Blastypants"perspective. What you seem to be forgetting is I also had a wealth of 50s with back stories, IOs, and in game money. But I see no reason to dwell in the past and am willing to forgo that for what I see as a brighter future for the game.

But I digress, opinions are like pancakes, everyone...
Loves..
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For what it's worth I do hope all of US veterans get our vet rewards and costume purchases back.

Let's see if I have this right.

The guy who wants everyone to have their game back as it was (me) is now the selfish one, eh?   The person who said, "Personally, I'd like to see everyone start on an even playing field." is now selflessly looking out for the health of the game.

Nice.

I'm interested in how you are so concerned about the needs of an as yet undetermined number of new players and their perceptions of the game...yet you show no concern for the needs of tens of thousands of dedicated players who formed the foundation of the game for 8 years.    Your view of yourself as a saint is skewed somewhat methinks.

Such a willingness to sacrifice all the former players on an alter in service of an unknown number of new players.   ...Whom you assume will not like the game the way it was.   You then admit that many of the former players will quickly turn the game into what it was (not me...I'm not a power gamer...I'm screwed if I lose my characters)...thus defeating everything you believe was gained and driving away all the new players (according to your description of their wants).

In answer to the question posed above:  Yes, I believe it's good for the health of the game for all the players to get their old characters back.   That's me being selfish again apparently.   :P

[Luna Eclypse]

Would I like to get all my stuff, and my wife's stuff back?  Hell yes!  But not if someone else can't also get all their stuff back too.  In that case, fair's fair and we all should restart at Square One.  If we are heroes, we should know what it means to sacrifice.

I agree... as does Billie Jean.  ;)
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[Surelle]

Or hey, maybe there could be something where if you sub, all the vet rewards and power sets are yours to use as long as you're subbed (they had sub-only power sets before, too).  And if you want to be F2P, you'd be starting from the ground up with 6 character slots per server, none of the vet rewards or extra power sets, etc.

Hey, even just 10,000 people paying $15 a month only equals $150,000 a month.  Thats $1,800,000.00 a year.  Well, it's a lot better than zero which is what the poor MWM/SCoRE peeps have been getting!

I don't know.  I'm sure they'll think of something really good.

Oh, PS/ on the CoH 2 part:  Here's one of Ironwolf's posts from July 21st 2014, earlier on in this very thread, where he's mentioning CoH 2 (obviously nothing's set in stone, this is just sort of a general idea of what The Mystery Team appears to be attempting with NCSoft):

http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,9675.msg151494.html#msg151494

or http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=20931;area=showposts;start=60


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Task Force Hail Mary / Re: New efforts!
« on: July 21, 2014, 03:43:46 pm »
I missed a part - the code is likely not going to be "worked" developed past Issue 24.

Some of the tools to do so were custom made and not in NCSoft's posession. What would be possible is to run the game at Issue 24 and continue development on CoH 2 using the UnReal4 engine. I think you are seeing some of the posts and reading into them what you want to see. Due to NCSoft linking game accounts across all of their stable of games - account information is highly unlikely to be recovered, it also is information that is 2 years old and many emails and credit information have changed.

The character information is possible but the main point now is NCSoft asked the team to prove they are technically able to run the game. Once that is finished then further bargaining will happen. You can take a seat and heckle if you like but it won't stop me. I know where it all rests right now and either way you will hear what is happening.

[Ankhammon]

I agree... as does Billie Jean.  ;)
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And Michael Jackson said he turned her down? I'm not buyin it.

[DarkCurrent]

Or hey, maybe there could be something where if you sub, all the vet rewards and power sets are yours to use as long as you're subbed (they had sub-only power sets before, too).  And if you want to be F2P, you'd be starting from the ground up with 6 character slots per server, none of the vet rewards or extra power sets, etc.

I don't know.  I'm sure they'll think of something really good.

Could have a kickstarter for completion of I24 if more money is needed.  Game relaunches with I23 and all stuff unlocked / available for simple sub fee.  I24 complete within a couple months with target met.  Sell boosts and enhancers in the store to continue maintenance of game.

Run new kickstarter to develop CoX 2.

[Kaos Arcanna]

While it would be nice to have back my 70 plus 50s and billions in influence, I don't see the game having enough servers to allow EVERYONE to get back ALL their toons.

As for the vet rewards, wasn't it possible at the end of the game to just use Paragon Points to get the vet rewards?