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Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« on: April 10, 2013, 03:49:23 PM »
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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2013, 03:51:26 PM »
You forgot to mention it includes parts of an interview with Matt Miller.   ;)

Good stuff, some things answered, some new questions raised.

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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2013, 03:56:21 PM »
Very interesting insight, and explains a lot of why NCSoft will not budge now.

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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2013, 04:00:23 PM »
I don't see anything on why they won't sell when even Matt cites he doesn't know what the sticking points were and he was on the team making the deal.

It is very hard to make a deal when you can't get the other side to even tell you why they are saying no.

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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2013, 04:04:24 PM »
Dammit.  Blocked at work.   >:(
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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2013, 04:05:15 PM »
According to Posi and Hit Streak on Twitter, there's a lot they still can't say publicly.

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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2013, 04:11:43 PM »
Well, that just refires my rage at NCsoft.

ONE SIGNATURE AWAY FROM KEEPING OUR GAME!

TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM I24!

So mad again.

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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2013, 04:14:25 PM »
Hmm, I wonder if the desire to retain the two IP's in progress was one of those sticking points. It makes sense for both the studio and the publisher to want to retain IP's in-development  to get more revenue down the line (and I'm guessing they probably couldn't keep the full studio alive solely on the revenue brought in by CoX). Sad news either way ...

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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2013, 04:17:36 PM »
THREE IP's that they'll probably never do anything with...

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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2013, 04:29:45 PM »
Now I'm miserable all over again.

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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2013, 04:39:47 PM »
I didn't think it was possible for me to be any more upset, disappointed, and angry with NCsoft, and yet here we are.

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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2013, 04:47:20 PM »
While it is natural for us to be irked (or worse) by NCSoft here, you have to keep in mind that the sticking points may have been someone from PS's.

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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2013, 04:48:41 PM »
dang man my ban for ncsoft just got bigger after reading that
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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2013, 04:53:09 PM »


I wish I could tell that guy that refused to sign where to stick that pen...

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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2013, 04:54:30 PM »
Well, this definitely piqued my curiosity - what was the dealbreaker, if the talks were going well? It seems odd that it would turn up right at the end of the negotiations - do we know when they were taking place, and if there's anything that we know or can find out that might have at NCsoft to suddenly make the entire negotiation moot?

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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2013, 04:55:26 PM »
Everyone needs to go comment there, bring up Cryptic and all the community is focused on now.

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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2013, 04:57:51 PM »
Seconded, let us rally forth and not use ANY negative veiws on NCSoft let us press the POSITIVE side.

If they were that close lets try and get them over the hump!

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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2013, 04:59:18 PM »
Dammit.  Blocked at work.   >:(

I created a downloadable/viewable PDF of it, linked in the OP.  If you need me to e-mail you copy, let me know.

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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2013, 04:59:52 PM »
While it is natural for us to be irked (or worse) by NCSoft here, you have to keep in mind that the sticking points may have been someone from PS's.
Very true.

The thing about sticking points is, they are not necessarily anybody's "fault." Sure, if we're talking about compromise between somebody who wants to murder 100 babies and somebody who wants to keep them all alive, the wannabe-murderer might be willing to "compromise" by killing only 50 of them, or even only 10! See how far he was willing to go to compromise? It's that guy who doesn't want them murdered who's refusing to compromise, who is stuck on the "sticking point."

That example is deliberately designed to make the dual point of how compromise can be a bad thing and how the one willing to do so is still the bad guy.

In other cases, it could be as simple as, "I cannot in good conscience agree to sell this car for less than $5,000. If I do, I will not be able to feed my children next month, and there are ways I can get at least that out of keeping it despite not wanting to use it anymore," vs. "I cannot buy this car for more than $500; it's in rough shape and has a limited but specific use to which only I could put it, but if I spend more than that I won't be able to afford the repairs and the gasoline to make it run."

Neither person is being unreasonable. There's just no common ground. The best course is, in fact, for the car's owner to keep it and milk the $5000 value out of those other avenues.

That doesn't mean that NCSoft or Paragon were being both reasonable, nor that the difference needed to be insurmountable. We simply don't know. But it's possible.

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Re: Huge new write-up of CoH/PS closure on Gamasutra
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2013, 05:01:02 PM »
I was so close to forget about all of this mess and now... Oh man, I still can't belive it...  >:(