Defender's Manifesto?

[Nightmarer]

[Tenzhi]

If you start having fun, then other people might find it infectious and also have fun, and then where would we be?

Apparently when it becomes enough of a widespread problem someone in charge takes notice and immediately puts a stop to the fun.

[Nightmarer]

Apparently when it becomes enough of a widespread problem someone in charge takes notice and immediately puts a stop to the fun.

Yeah, guess whoever wrote the guide, sent it to NCSoft CEO :p

[Triplash]

Sadly can't remember who wrote it but I'm grateful for all the laughs I get from it:

Their name was seebs, I just found their L2P website in my CoH bookmarks folder (strangely I don't remember putting it there, but hey, if I remembered everything I did my life would be much easier )

Ideally, the tank will die precisely as everyone else starts fighting, allowing aggro to be spread evenly among the blaster.

This was always my favorite quote from it

[Nyx Nought Nothing]

Their name was seebs, I just found their L2P website in my CoH bookmarks folder (strangely I don't remember putting it there, but hey, if I remembered everything I did my life would be much easier )

Honestly i long suspected that seebs was taking credit for someone else's hard work. Most of that guide, especially the parts about planning and tanking, appeared to have been stolen from the personal notes of the player known in game by various names, mostly as Lord Stryker/Everstryke/Skyppy. He wasn't around for the last two years or so, but he was very outspoken and enthusiastic advocate of all of the methods in that guide, both on a team and SG level, during the years he was active. It seems unfair to give seebs all the credit since Skyppy spent years honing his strategies on the Champion server before moving to Virtue to bring his accumulated expertise to a larger audience. (And of course Champion by that point was largely familiar with his approach so there wasn't much left to teach them.)

Since seebs' guide only covered basic teaming and gameplay it left out Skyppy's amazing contributions on how to run an SG, which could have filled a guide on their own.

[Nightmarer]

Unfortunately, it seems I won't be getting the Defender's manifesto, pity, it was brilliant.-

[Triplash]

... Lord Stryker/Everstryke/Skyppy... It seems unfair to give seebs all the credit since Skyppy spent years honing his strategies on the Champion server before moving to Virtue to bring his accumulated expertise to a larger audience. (And of course Champion by that point was largely familiar with his approach so there wasn't much left to teach them.)

That's the life of a missionary, always on the road. When your pupils have learned all they can, it's time to move on to the next group of eager young minds.

(... yeah, I met that guy a time or two.  )

As for seebs' guide, well... every great hero needs a chronicler right?

[Triplash]

Unfortunately, it seems I won't be getting the Defender's manifesto, pity, it was brilliant.-

The old forums all got archived before they shut down. Archive.org seems to be hosting a copy here:

http://archive.org/details/archiveteam-city-of-heroes-main

It's a 219 gig .tar file, mind you... but from what I can tell, it's the entire forums backed up at some point in September. That's that manifesto plus all the other player guides that were there. I'm gonna grab a copy myself, so if I can find that guide I'll pull it out and post it here. (It just might take me a little while, is all.)

I'm not sure how much .tar compresses, but it's most likely going to be much bigger than 219 GB if you try to extract it all at once. So to anyone who goes after their own copy, I wouldn't suggest extracting it all at once.

[Mister Bison]

I'm not sure how much .tar compresses, but it's most likely going to be much bigger than 219 GB if you try to extract it all at once. So to anyone who goes after their own copy, I wouldn't suggest extracting it all at once.

.tar itself doesn't compresses. It just archives and put in one file, that is generally compressed through a one-file-compression algorithm (giving things such as tar.gz, tar.bz2, etc). If you tar a single directory, that's called a tar ball, that you can right-click and "extract here" or extract directly in command line without fear of having litter files everywhere. Of course, there is no way to tell if a tar is a tarball without opening it, which can lead to surprises...

If somebody decided to get & open up the tar, I'd be interested in salvaging a single discussion from it. But I wouldn't like to was 219 gigs of bandwidth for that single discussion (I may even be able to get it in google cache, but don't really know how. The Discussion is "OK... NOW I'm really sad" started by Bill Z Bubba.)

[Triplash]

.tar itself doesn't compresses. It just archives and put in one file, that is generally compressed through a one-file-compression algorithm

Well that's good to know, thanks.

As for the file though, I don't think I'll be picking it up after all. After a couple hours I only got about 32 megs through the torrent before the seeders pulled out, and at the speed I'm getting from the direct download it'll take over 10 straight days. That's a bit much for some forum posts. Sorry. But maybe somebody else already got it, can't hurt to ask around.

[General Idiot]

I'm pretty sure this isn't what you're talking about, but I found it looking through some old files and thought it was funny.

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Defenders in General
-Best defense is a good offense
-If everyone's dead, you can't defend.
-Vengeance and Fallout (teh lolz!)
-Leadership optional, but super-awesome and recommended
-Stamina optional, but blah blah
-Vigilance is the price we pay for being awesome
-X can be great, but the problem with X is the bad people who play X and make it loook bad. But X isn't bad. But people are bad.
-People aren't bad. People are great.
-8 Xs together is like OMERGZ
-have fun, or die in a fire.

Caveats by AT
Empathy
-Empaths do other things than heal
-Empaths can be fun to play
-Healing is great
-Empaths, sometimes, are the best
-Empaths, sometimes, *aren't* the best
-Some people who play empaths might be happier playing something else
-some people who play empaths are as happy as a clam in the mud.

Trick Arrow
-Trick Arrow is the plucky little sister of defenderdom, and beloved by all
-TA is also super-serious excellent at what it does
-Oil slick, Oil slick, Oil slick
-there were bugs, are they gone yet? Maybe.
-redraw

Radiation
-AM is great. We get it.
-toggle killers are bad
-toggle killers aren't *that* bad
-sometimes, seriously, they're bad
-Choking cloud--surprisingly chokey
-toggles + runners = anecdote (vengeance, fallout, mutation, lol)

Dark Miasma
-Howling twilight auto hits and has a disorient
-tar patch, tar patch, tar patch
-acc
-fluffy is your friend
-Better than rad, rad not as good, 4/5 puppies hugged in comparison to rad's 3/5.
-controllers for people who refuse to roll a controller!
-soloed something with all kinds of levels and purpleness
-psychic resist
-Stare more fearsomely

Forcefield
-Bubbling is annoying
-Some people enjoy bubbling
-Here's a macro that helps you bubble!
-You *still* have to go through the drudgery of it, no matter how much macroing you do. And it sucks.
-goes great with sonic
-can buff in combat
-plenty of free time to blast
-not orange

Sonic
-Bubbling is annoying
-Some people enjoy bubbling
-Here's a macro that helps you bubble!
-You *still* have to go through the drudgery of it, no matter how much macroing you do. And it sucks.
-goes great with FF
-can buff in combat
-plenty of free time to blast
-orange

Kinetic
-stay near my stuff or no heals
-speed boost awesome
-everyone wants speed boost, it gets tedious to give it out
-many people don't want speed boost--*these* are the people who need it the most
-siphon speed affects fly speed (Y/N)? Y
-doesn't need travel powers
-doesn't need stamina
-doesn't need to be a defender (fire/kin!)
-shifting fulcrums
-transfusion has -regen
-ID: When to cast? Answer: Sometimes.

Storm Summoning
-Knockback is great
-Knockback is horrible
-Freezing rain, snow storm! Also, snowstorm, freezing rain.
-Fun for some.
-Don't be a jerk, unless someone else was a jerk first. Screenshots or it didn't happen.
-Lstorm + hasten = insanely high pitched giggling.
-Tornado? Yes. How? Cannot explain. You must commune with the tornado.
-what about -knockback/AVs/acrobatics in pvp?
-If (!hurricane){hurricane();}

Blast sets
-yes we all want fire and cold, but according to the devs, that would shatter the earth. Unless it wouldn't, in which case, YAY! Fire and/or cold!
-Energy good. Unless you don't like it. Then energy bad. However, even if energy bad? Energy still good.
-Psy's range *does* help. Stop saying it doesn't.
-To nuke or not nuke? Nuke. Then respec.
-Aoe? Yes.
-Single target? yes.
-When running out of power slots, realize that life is hard, and then you die.
-.6 damage multiplier. No, we can't have more. Yes. I know. YES. I *KNOW*. But we can't have any. Yeah. Right. I KNOW, but it's .6 and it's staying .6. Right. Uh huh. Uh Huh. Good Point. Yeah. You know what? .6. Hmm? What was that? .6? I'm sorry, I thought you said .6. .6? I'm sorry I can't .6 you, I'm too busy .6ing. *blows brains out*
-Defenders blast. However, sometimes, defenders *don't* blast.
-when somebody picks a blast set for theme reasons, don't suggest to them that their theme is stupid and they should pick a differen blast set.
-when somebody picks a blast set because they think it's OMGERZ synergy!, tell them to pick a blast set for theme reasons or fun, because it's all good, baby... groovy.

[JWBullfrog]

My personal manifesto as a Defender...
 
1. This is going to hurt-but I'm going to jump into a fight to save that fool anyway.
 
2. If you run off ahead of me- you deserve what happens to you.
 
3. I am not just a healer- sometimes I'm your last chance.
 
4. Don't disrespect the Defender- unless you want to find out how hard life is without one.

[healix]

Healers are like Depends... they cover your @ss while you're busy and prevent leakage.

[seebs]

Honestly i long suspected that seebs was taking credit for someone else's hard work. Most of that guide, especially the parts about planning and tanking, appeared to have been stolen from the personal notes of the player known in game by various names, mostly as Lord Stryker/Everstryke/Skyppy. He wasn't around for the last two years or so, but he was very outspoken and enthusiastic advocate of all of the methods in that guide, both on a team and SG level, during the years he was active. It seems unfair to give seebs all the credit since Skyppy spent years honing his strategies on the Champion server before moving to Virtue to bring his accumulated expertise to a larger audience. (And of course Champion by that point was largely familiar with his approach so there wasn't much left to teach them.)

Since seebs' guide only covered basic teaming and gameplay it left out Skyppy's amazing contributions on how to run an SG, which could have filled a guide on their own.

So I lost my copy of this guide, and I went looking for it, and I found it here, and I read this thread.

And then I had to go figure out whether I still had a Titan account and whether I could remember how to log in, because...

While this may have been a joke, it is in some part literally true. I based a whole lot of the SG stuff on Everstryke and their SG. Specifically. I mean, yes, I embellished a bit, I made up some stuff, I got some ideas from elsewhere, but a ton of the SG stuff, and also the thing about the elaborate tank-pulling mechanic, were based on run-ins with them.

Also, thanks much to the poster who saved this, because I totally thought I had a copy but I cannot find it now.

... actually, now I found my copy. The thing about costumes at the end of section 2 wasn't in my original, so that part's not mine. The rest is, although as noted, it's not necessarily all based on my own expertise.

[JaguarX]

LOL came across my fair share of students of this guide on virtue. Funny stuff. Sucks for the targets though they pick to practice on. At first I thought it was a personality thing but then came to realize that it was a guide they were following.

[MWRuger]

I'll download it. That's a big one, but I've done them before. Might take a while but I'll get it. Wanted to pull some guides out any way.

[Waffles]

Let's not forget, having "Kinetic" in your name essentially ensured you a team whenever you wanted one.

[Burnt Toast]

I loathe the word HEALER. I never wanted a healer for any of my teams.. a defender sure.. a healer.. no thanks.


My SG name was called FRUIT SALAD .... I was and continue to be a huge believer in fruit salad. My main toons the first 4 or 5 years I played were defenders...none of which were "healers" not even my Empathy Defender. Sure I had heal other and heal aura...as well as Regen aura... but I was not a healer.... I was a Defender.


http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/User:Morrisri/Fruit_Salad

[blacksly]

I loathe the word HEALER. I never wanted a healer for any of my teams.. a defender sure.. a healer.. no thanks.

Heal me.

[MWRuger]

SB please. Nao!!!!!