Defender's Manifesto?

[Nightmarer]

Heya,

I was checking old CoH guides and stuff and found the "How to suck at CoH" guide which always makes me laugh. For some reason, I'm unable to find another hilarious document, the "Defender's Manifesto" so I was wondering if any of you guys still has it since I'd like to have the manifesto too for laughs every now and then.

In case someone has not read the "How to suck at CoH" guide, here you are. Sadly can't remember who wrote it but I'm grateful for all the laughs I get from it:

How to Suck at CoH/CoV
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How to Suck at City of Heroes (and Villains)

In most MMOs, experienced players know that there is no such thing as a bad group; there are only good groups, and funny groups. City of Heroes is afflicted with a player base many of whom are basically intelligent and friendly, meaning a lot fewer funny groups, which in turn denies us a lot of opportunities to rant on the forums. You can help. By learning to really suck at CoH, both game mechanically and socially, you can keep SG channels and global channels hopping with funny stories, giving other players the chance to bond as they commiserate.

This guide gives you an overview to key ways in which you can completely fail at many aspects of City of Heroes. I try to cover build advice, character design, interaction with other players, and more.

This guide is necessarily a work in progress, and I am deeply indebted to various pick-up groups for their contributions, feedback, and ongoing support.

Section 1: Philosophy

To really suck at a game, there is one thing that is more important than anything else: You must take the game very seriously. This doesn't mean you have to put in a lot of effort learning to play the game, it means you have to be offended when other people play the game in a way you don't like, or when people fail to contribute directly to your positive game experience.

Let's do a little pop quiz. You're in Port Oakes, and the zone is dead. You wanna do a couple quick paper missions to get your jet pack. You search the zone, and there's someone else there. You invite them to team with you. They decline the invitation. What do you do?
A. Sit around waiting for someone else who can team with you, instead of just running the missions solo.
B. Send them a chat message "y not?!?" and immediately ignore them before waiting for a response.
C. Cuss them out at length for not knowing that this is a "multipalyer game, moron".
D. Find some of your friends to team with, even if they're of different levels.
It was a trick question; the answer is "A, B, and C". You can't do D, because you don't have any friends. However, the other three options are all correct. Let's examine them in a little more detail.

Option A highlights a key strategy in sucking at CoH: Never do something alone when you can have someone else do it while you sit at the door berating them for not doing it fast enough. You should always be ready to let someone else do something for you. Option B shows a dextrous combination of two key strategies. The first is demanding that people justify themselves to you; the second is not actually paying attention to their response, and ideally making sure they know you weren't paying attention.

Always remember that, if someone fails to enable you to play the way you want to play, it means they are stupid and wrong. Tell them so. Note that this is not a reciprocal arrangement; if other people want to tell you how to play, tell them in no uncertain terms to shut up. You know what you're doing; they don't. They aren't paying your $15 a month.

Section 2: Character Building (yours)

City of Heroes has taken the unfortunate path of making nearly everything viable, making it hard to do a really bad job of picking your initial sets. However, there is still some hope; you can pick a set for the wrong reasons. For instance, rather than playing Empathy as an amazing buff set that can empower your teammates to steamroll content, you could play it as a pure healing set, taking only the healing powers. This will utterly gimp your performance.

Give serious thought to completely ignoring one of your sets, usually your secondary. A defender who never uses attacks can deprive a team of a major source of effective debuffs; a scrapper with no defensive abilities can faceplant faster than a "pure healer" defender can heal.

Learn to slot. One strategy would be to stick with TOs at all levels because they are "cheaper". Also, slot for endurance reduction. You're always running out of endurance, right? So slot your attacks for endurance reduction, rather than accuracy or damage. This way, instead of killing things in fewer hits, or hitting more often, both of which indirectly reduce endurance consumption, you can focus on directly reducing endurance consumption.

People will sometimes talk about "ED". Ignore them. Six-slot your powers for the trait you want. Again, it's crucial that you ignore, or insult, people who try to suggest ways your build might be able to more effectively accomplish your goals. What do they know? If they wanted to play your character, they should have thought of the name first.

"The need (nay, NECESSITY) to come up with a loud, clashing costume that will give headaches to other players. It'll ensure both that they'll see you (and thus pay attention to you) the whole time and distract them from their targets - if not block view of said targets altogether - thus ensuring no one steals your kills. Because, you know, drops and XP obviously aren't shared across the team, so you need to do all of it to be sure to get all of it.

Plus, if you're male and tasteful, you're definitely gay, or French, and you don't want people to think you're gay (or French), RIGHT? And if you're female and tasteful, either you're a girl looking for sex or a gay guy playing a girl, and you wouldn't want to be those either - you're here to WIN ! (See section on SGs for more on the subject)"

Section 3: Character Building (everyone else)

Everyone else's build is your business. If they didn't make the right choices, that will cripple the team. So be sure to look closely at what they've got. If they haven't picked a core power of one of their sets, let them know. Don't let them just handwave it off; make sure they acknowledge that their choices were wrong and explain exactly how they'll rectify the situation.

In rare cases, a particularly mule-headed sort will ignore you if you keep commenting on their build; this is why you should have a second account. Keep up the pressure. Remember, you're doing this to make the game better.

Some people make choices so awful that there is no point in considering teaming with them. For instance, if someone were to take a travel power that doesn't have good synergies with their combat powers, that would be a sign that you should probably boot them from the team immediately. Similarly, if someone does something particularly unsalvageable, such as building a defender who isn't primarily focused on the defender's role (healing), boot them right away. Consider advertising the reasons for the boot in the local broadcast channel (see Chats and Channels, below).

Section 4: Fighting Enemies

The most important thing to keep in mind is that there is only one right way to fight in CoH, but there are many wrong ways. If people deviate from the ideal plan for your current situation, berate them mercilessly. Don't try to help or recover from a problematic situation; stand back and start blaming. It's vital that your long chat message about whose fault it is reaches team chat first.

In general, a good strategy can be identified by the amount of planning and explanation it requires. If your strategy can be explained within one or two chat messages, it's probably going to be worthless when things start to happen -- in the frenzy of battle, simple rules and plans are unlikely to have taken all the contingencies into account. You need detailed multi-step plans. If the plan fails, identify who screwed up and let them know it was their fault.

There are a few core strategies you should be familiar with, and a few general rules you need to know about how to develop a new strategy. I'm going to illustrate each general rule with an example of a strategy built to maximize its effect.

Herding

There are several ways to "herd" in City of Heroes. Some players figure that a tanker (or brute, or scrapper, or anyone else durable) can pick up some aggro, draw a spawn together, and pretty much just run with it. Never, ever, fall for this trap. You see the problem, right? It's way too simple.

A good herding strategy should involve constant communication with detailed instructions. Obviously, the tank is the leader of the group, so the tank needs to control every aspect of the process. The tank should announce where the spawn will be herded to, warn people repeatedly not to get involved until the spawn is ready, then tell them when to attack. Do not rely on the judgement of other players. There is little chance that an experienced blaster will be able to somehow guess when it's safe to attack. Worse, a mistake could result in a team member dying; because of the extremely stiff penalties associated with death in CoH, this is a major disaster.

Advanced players may find it more rewarding to die quickly while out of line of sight of the rest of the team, or while trying to bring the spawn back to the team. Ideally, the tank will die precisely as everyone else starts fighting, allowing aggro to be spread evenly among the blaster.

This strategy illustrates a couple of general rules. First, the most efficient way to do any content is to have only one player active as often as possible. Too many cooks spoil the broth! If you have multiple players acting and making decisions, they may get out of synch or split the team. Having the other seven players wait for the right moment lets you keep the focus where it belongs -- on you.

Secondly, it's worth noticing that this strategy played out entirely differently in the past, before the aggro and target caps. One of the best ways to suck at City of Heroes is to never, ever, change your behavior in response to massive changes in the game engine or combat mechanics.

Mining

Let's say you're not a tank. How do you make sure everything is about you? Simple! Set up mines and time bombs. These are a great way to keep gameplay focused, and therefore efficient, as you carefully set up a large mine field, describing in detail the order in which someone should pull a spawn through the field. While you're talking, and they're listening, the group is working the way it is supposed to.

Again, see how the focus of the group on a single player makes that player more important and builds team spirit.

Be careful not to use mining strategies only against spawns that are otherwise too hard for the group, or selectively based on circumstances. The point of a strategy is to use it all the time.

Healing

Pure healers are a build strategy, but healing is also a combat strategy. The key to healing is that you want to heal damage. That means damage has to be taken, first. Resistance and defense buffs for players reduce incoming damage, and that means less healing. Similarly, to-hit and damage debuffs for mobs mean less incoming damage, and thus less healing. But healing is what keeps you alive, so those things are bad.

If you aren't dying, it is because someone is healing you. Sometimes, people will try to claim that they are helping by using powers which don't heal you. Don't be fooled. No green numbers? Boot that defender and get someone who knows how to play the game.

Section 5: Chats and Channels

Global channels, supergroup and coalition, broadcast, team chat, the help channel... All of these media exist to serve you. Be sure to use the right medium for any communication. Usually, that will be the broadcast channel or a global channel.

The most important thing to understand about channels is the word "unicorning". unicorning is the process of doing things which create drama, such as disagreeing with you, or providing some kind of reference or citation in support of a claim. People who do this are doing it because they love drama. Of course, in part they're getting the right idea; the purpose of channels is to provide a venue for drama. Every channel, whether it's a "global" channel or local broadcast, is there to provide entertainment to the participants, in the form of drama.

On rare occasions, people will fail to specifically identify their religion or the intimate details of the sex life. Luckily, you can always tell, so you can use these as the basis of a compelling argument as to the worth of their contributions. This can, of course, lead to people trying to "unicorn" you by claiming that your behavior is offensive. Remember to petition them for harassment when they do this, especially if they announce that they have reported your behavior to the GMs.

Special case: Tells

Tells are a special case, because they are sort of like a channel, in that there are social norms for how they're used. First off, never use tells as a preamble to a super group or team invite. Just invite people. What would you tell them that they wouldn't get from the invite window? You don't want picky people with a sense of entitlement who are only interested in some teams, or might have expectations of a super group. These people will turn out to be horrible whiners. No, you want people who will click yes on anything you ask.

That said, it is of course perfectly reasonable to send people tells asking them to join your super group. Don't restrict this to people you've met, or that you know in some way; as the section on super group recruiting will explain, limiting the field that way hurts your chances. Ask everyone. Use the search window to find people, so you don't risk missing people on the grounds that they're already in a super group or something stupid like that.

Section 6: Teaming

Blind invites. Nothing will fill a team faster than running down the search window clicking invite-to-team as fast as you can.

Running a team is a heavy responsibility. To run a team, you have to be ready to make fun of how people play the game, kick them from the team if they annoy you, and sit around saying "ne1 hav bank mis?" Furthermore, it is up to you to ensure that your team composition is viable for missions. If you are running a level 28 team, for instance, do not invite anyone under level 26 to your team; they will be a liability to the team. Similarly, don't invite anyone over level 30, because when they "exemp" down, they will forget how to play their character.

You may find it more rewarding to play on teams run by other people. This gives you a great opportunity to educate them about how to run a team more effectively. The most effective way to get a team is to pick a zone where there's a lot of under-dressed female heroes you can look at, and stand in one place saying "lft" in broadcast. Try not to be too specific about your archetype and level.

If you are running a team, be sure to focus on the most crucial support role; be the person who gets the mission, then show leadership in helping people understand the mission objectives. For instance, if you could find a hunting mission, you could direct people to the most efficient way to repeatedly complete it. A decisive and clear-speaking leader could summarize this in only a few words; perhaps "Go. Hunt. Kill skulz."

Section 7: Running a Super Group

It's a tough call whether you should run your own super group or try to steal someone else's. The key thing is that you'd better be in charge. You may wonder how to tell whether a super group is good. Conveniently, the game provides an objective and reliable measure of the quality of supergroups, called "prestige". As the name suggests, this is a direct measure of how prestigious your super group is. It is, of course, necessary that group members always run "in SG mode", where they will be contributing prestige to your super group. (At higher levels, this can reduce the rate at which they acquire inf. Tough luck for them, your super group matters more.)

Because super group membership is such a huge responsibility, it's important to have detailed rules and regulations for your super group. Never allow someone any kind of rank within your super group if they also participate in other super groups. Similarly, never allow any kind of criticism of your group or leadership; criticism of leadership leads to anarchy and chaos, and prevents a super group from running like the well-oiled military machine it is supposed to be.

Your super group's channels are your chance to impose structure on the game. Be sure to enforce, as ruthlessly as necessary, any policies you set. Policies should be set to maintain the distinctive culture of your SG, and to encourage isolation; you don't want people getting along with, or interacting with, members of other SGs.

Examples of good SG chat rules:
•   Never use abbreviations such as "LFT" or "LFM".
•   Never say anything that could lead SG members to think that you're gay.
•   Never talk about activities that involved people outside the SG.
•   Never discuss game features, such as AE, which are not part of the usual play style of your SG.

On the other hand, some rules are so crippling, so extreme, that they prevent people from forming the esprit de corps that marks a successful community. Examples:
•   No cussing.
•   No derogatory remarks based on sexual orientation, ethnicity, or religion.
•   No promotion of RMT services.

Never let people view your super group as a fun way to hang out with friends. The super group is all. It gives them access to the base. It gives them team mates. The super group is mother! The super group is father! Your group should have clear and explicit policies covering every conceivable case. Try to provide your own definitions for common English words; this technique, pioneered by cult leaders, allows you to create a separation between your "in" group and outsiders.

Super group membership should be all or nothing. People who play other games, or play in other super groups, or play on the other faction, are not serious about your super group. Get rid of them. Better, just keep them in roles of non-authority, but continue to get prestige from them.

Growing your SG

Growing your SG is crucial, because only by drafting hundreds of players and trying to get them to level all their toons in SG mode can you get enough prestige to be a truly respected SG. Just as everyone respects any group that has lots of prestige, no one will take you seriously, or care what you think, if your SG isn't one of the top ten. Remember! Prestige is an objective measure of the quality of a super group.

To make this work, you need people. Lots of people. Now, some people will just meet people they enjoy playing with, invite them to join a supergroup, and focus on whether they have fun together or enjoy each others' company. These people are losers. You will never see people who are having fun instead of farming prestige in the top ten list on any server.

You might think you should announce your SG, or promote it by running events. Wrong. Advertisements in broadcast channels will not get you enough people. This is especially true if jealous and bitter people who want to sabotage you might respond with comments on their perception of your SG's quality.

No, there are only two good ways to get people into your SG. The first is to use the search interface to find people who are sort of low level and invite them. Macro this, because you're going to be doing it a lot. Just send them all a message, something like "Hello, would you like to join a super group?" Now, you may have noticed that the search interface doesn't show you whether people are already in a super group. That's okay! As long as your request is polite, no one will mind. It doesn't matter how often you ask the same person, or their alts, or how badly you've treated them in the past. It's still a friendly question. So keep right on asking.

Don't worry about responding to questions. For the most part, people who ask questions about your group before joining it aren't really interested. They're just stringing you along because you've already invited them twenty times. The people you want are people who say yes without knowing anything about your super group; these are the people who can be molded to serve your needs.

Another great recruiting tactic is grouping. Group with people, then invite them to your super group. Some people do this wrong; they wait until they know which players they enjoy grouping with. Wrong. The goal is numbers, numbers, numbers. Nothing else matters. Just invite them. If they say no, kick them out of the team immediately; they are of no use to you. It's possible to screw this up, though. If you mention to people that you're recruiting, they might anticipate that you're not actually looking to run missions with them unless they're willing to serve your prestige-farming needs. So don't do that. Rely on the fact that players assume a mission invite is for the purpose of running missions. This will let you perform an elegant bait-and-switch, which nearly always makes a strong impression.

Section 8: Communications Skills

The fact is, it doesn't matter how you write, or spell. What matters is that if anyone criticizes your spelling or writing, you must freak the *@#!* out. Nothing helps drive home the irrelevance of communications skills like an outraged rant. Consider this representative sample:
[Broadcast] You: **** off u ********ing *****.
[Broadcast] You: wat you abt the spleng for not my prbm
[Broadcast] You: if ppl no wat i men its good langage is not for u to sho off
[Broadcast] You: now get ur **** out of your ***'s ***** and **** **** ***** ** * ** * ****
[Broadcast] You: ne1 ae team lf rikti
You sure told them. (Note that this has been censored for presentation on the forums; obviously, in game, you'd spell those words out, for approximate values of "spell".)

Section 9: Roleplaying

It is important to clearly state in your character's description that other people cannot read your mind, as only Mary Sues can read other people's minds. If someone else tries to tell you what their character is like, this might disrupt your RP. Be sure to tell them off for "godmoding".

Generally, it is a safe bet that a female character who has some kind of costume is interested in explicit sexual roleplaying. Remember not to kill the mood by getting all meta-gamey and asking about this; it breaks immersion.

People often won't know how they should react to your character; you can provide a "roleplaying hook" by describing exactly how they react to your character. For instance, if your skin exudes a powerful poison, it's important to tell people up front that anyone who touches you for any reason dies. Some people may "godmode" by making up excuses for why their character is supposedly "immune" to poison, such as being already dead or a robot or something. Be sure to clarify in your description that these exceptions don't work. Here's an example of a way you could make your background clear:
"A striking beauty. Men instantly fall in love with her and will do anything to gain her favour. Women hate her guts and will try to undermine her in small, petty ways that inevitably backfire."
See how well this works? Other players immediately know where they fit in interactions with you.

Sometimes, people may not know why they should be interested in your character. Give subtle cues; for instance, you could macro an emote about touching some piece of jewelry you wear. Hit this macro often when roleplaying, so people know it's important. You can add to the mystery by reacting with furious rage if anyone dares ask about your mysterious traits. That helps cement that you are a serious roleplayer.

Section 10: Advanced Topics

If you've read this far, you are probably ready to really, really, annoy other players. However, you can always get better. Just remember that righteous indignation and blind fury are both great responses to nearly anything, and that it is a safe bet that other players are lying to you maliciously whenever they say anything inconvenient to you.

Above all: Never have fun. If you start having fun, then other people might find it infectious and also have fun, and then where would we be?

[Tenzhi]

If you start having fun, then other people might find it infectious and also have fun, and then where would we be?

Apparently when it becomes enough of a widespread problem someone in charge takes notice and immediately puts a stop to the fun. :P

[Nightmarer]

Apparently when it becomes enough of a widespread problem someone in charge takes notice and immediately puts a stop to the fun. :P

Yeah, guess whoever wrote the guide, sent it to NCSoft CEO :p

[Triplash]

Sadly can't remember who wrote it but I'm grateful for all the laughs I get from it:

Their name was seebs, I just found their L2P website in my CoH bookmarks folder (strangely I don't remember putting it there, but hey, if I remembered everything I did my life would be much easier :P )

Ideally, the tank will die precisely as everyone else starts fighting, allowing aggro to be spread evenly among the blaster.

This was always my favorite quote from it ;D

[Nyx Nought Nothing]

Their name was seebs, I just found their L2P website in my CoH bookmarks folder (strangely I don't remember putting it there, but hey, if I remembered everything I did my life would be much easier :P )

Honestly i long suspected that seebs was taking credit for someone else's hard work. Most of that guide, especially the parts about planning and tanking, appeared to have been stolen from the personal notes of the player known in game by various names, mostly as Lord Stryker/Everstryke/Skyppy. He wasn't around for the last two years or so, but he was very outspoken and enthusiastic advocate of all of the methods in that guide, both on a team and SG level, during the years he was active. It seems unfair to give seebs all the credit since Skyppy spent years honing his strategies on the Champion server before moving to Virtue to bring his accumulated expertise to a larger audience. (And of course Champion by that point was largely familiar with his approach so there wasn't much left to teach them.)

Since seebs' guide only covered basic teaming and gameplay it left out Skyppy's amazing contributions on how to run an SG, which could have filled a guide on their own.

[Nightmarer]

Unfortunately, it seems I won't be getting the Defender's manifesto, pity, it was brilliant.-

[Triplash]

... Lord Stryker/Everstryke/Skyppy... It seems unfair to give seebs all the credit since Skyppy spent years honing his strategies on the Champion server before moving to Virtue to bring his accumulated expertise to a larger audience. (And of course Champion by that point was largely familiar with his approach so there wasn't much left to teach them.)

That's the life of a missionary, always on the road. When your pupils have learned all they can, it's time to move on to the next group of eager young minds.

(... yeah, I met that guy a time or two.  :-\ )

As for seebs' guide, well... every great hero needs a chronicler right?

[Triplash]

Unfortunately, it seems I won't be getting the Defender's manifesto, pity, it was brilliant.-

The old forums all got archived before they shut down. Archive.org seems to be hosting a copy here:

http://archive.org/details/archiveteam-city-of-heroes-main

It's a 219 gig .tar file, mind you... but from what I can tell, it's the entire forums backed up at some point in September. That's that manifesto plus all the other player guides that were there. I'm gonna grab a copy myself, so if I can find that guide I'll pull it out and post it here. (It just might take me a little while, is all.)

I'm not sure how much .tar compresses, but it's most likely going to be much bigger than 219 GB if you try to extract it all at once. So to anyone who goes after their own copy, I wouldn't suggest extracting it all at once. ;)

[Mister Bison]

I'm not sure how much .tar compresses, but it's most likely going to be much bigger than 219 GB if you try to extract it all at once. So to anyone who goes after their own copy, I wouldn't suggest extracting it all at once. ;)

.tar itself doesn't compresses. It just archives and put in one file, that is generally compressed through a one-file-compression algorithm (giving things such as tar.gz, tar.bz2, etc). If you tar a single directory, that's called a tar ball, that you can right-click and "extract here" or extract directly in command line without fear of having litter files everywhere. Of course, there is no way to tell if a tar is a tarball without opening it, which can lead to surprises...

If somebody decided to get & open up the tar, I'd be interested in salvaging a single discussion from it. But I wouldn't like to was 219 gigs of bandwidth for that single discussion (I may even be able to get it in google cache, but don't really know how. The Discussion is "OK... NOW I'm really sad" started by Bill Z Bubba.)

[Triplash]

.tar itself doesn't compresses. It just archives and put in one file, that is generally compressed through a one-file-compression algorithm

Well that's good to know, thanks.

As for the file though, I don't think I'll be picking it up after all. After a couple hours I only got about 32 megs through the torrent before the seeders pulled out, and at the speed I'm getting from the direct download it'll take over 10 straight days. That's a bit much for some forum posts. Sorry. But maybe somebody else already got it, can't hurt to ask around.

[General Idiot]

I'm pretty sure this isn't what you're talking about, but I found it looking through some old files and thought it was funny.

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Defenders in General
-Best defense is a good offense
-If everyone's dead, you can't defend.
-Vengeance and Fallout (teh lolz!)
-Leadership optional, but super-awesome and recommended
-Stamina optional, but blah blah
-Vigilance is the price we pay for being awesome
-X can be great, but the problem with X is the bad people who play X and make it loook bad. But X isn't bad. But people are bad.
-People aren't bad. People are great.
-8 Xs together is like OMERGZ
-have fun, or die in a fire.

Caveats by AT
Empathy
-Empaths do other things than heal
-Empaths can be fun to play
-Healing is great
-Empaths, sometimes, are the best
-Empaths, sometimes, *aren't* the best
-Some people who play empaths might be happier playing something else
-some people who play empaths are as happy as a clam in the mud.

Trick Arrow
-Trick Arrow is the plucky little sister of defenderdom, and beloved by all
-TA is also super-serious excellent at what it does
-Oil slick, Oil slick, Oil slick
-there were bugs, are they gone yet? Maybe.
-redraw

Radiation
-AM is great. We get it.
-toggle killers are bad
-toggle killers aren't *that* bad
-sometimes, seriously, they're bad
-Choking cloud--surprisingly chokey
-toggles + runners = anecdote (vengeance, fallout, mutation, lol)

Dark Miasma
-Howling twilight auto hits and has a disorient
-tar patch, tar patch, tar patch
-acc
-fluffy is your friend
-Better than rad, rad not as good, 4/5 puppies hugged in comparison to rad's 3/5.
-controllers for people who refuse to roll a controller!
-soloed something with all kinds of levels and purpleness
-psychic resist
-Stare more fearsomely

Forcefield
-Bubbling is annoying
-Some people enjoy bubbling
-Here's a macro that helps you bubble!
-You *still* have to go through the drudgery of it, no matter how much macroing you do. And it sucks.
-goes great with sonic
-can buff in combat
-plenty of free time to blast
-not orange

Sonic
-Bubbling is annoying
-Some people enjoy bubbling
-Here's a macro that helps you bubble!
-You *still* have to go through the drudgery of it, no matter how much macroing you do. And it sucks.
-goes great with FF
-can buff in combat
-plenty of free time to blast
-orange

Kinetic
-stay near my stuff or no heals
-speed boost awesome
-everyone wants speed boost, it gets tedious to give it out
-many people don't want speed boost--*these* are the people who need it the most
-siphon speed affects fly speed (Y/N)? Y
-doesn't need travel powers
-doesn't need stamina
-doesn't need to be a defender (fire/kin!)
-shifting fulcrums
-transfusion has -regen
-ID: When to cast? Answer: Sometimes.

Storm Summoning
-Knockback is great
-Knockback is horrible
-Freezing rain, snow storm! Also, snowstorm, freezing rain.
-Fun for some.
-Don't be a jerk, unless someone else was a jerk first. Screenshots or it didn't happen.
-Lstorm + hasten = insanely high pitched giggling.
-Tornado? Yes. How? Cannot explain. You must commune with the tornado.
-what about -knockback/AVs/acrobatics in pvp?
-If (!hurricane){hurricane();}

Blast sets
-yes we all want fire and cold, but according to the devs, that would shatter the earth. Unless it wouldn't, in which case, YAY! Fire and/or cold!
-Energy good. Unless you don't like it. Then energy bad. However, even if energy bad? Energy still good.
-Psy's range *does* help. Stop saying it doesn't.
-To nuke or not nuke? Nuke. Then respec.
-Aoe? Yes.
-Single target? yes.
-When running out of power slots, realize that life is hard, and then you die.
-.6 damage multiplier. No, we can't have more. Yes. I know. YES. I *KNOW*. But we can't have any. Yeah. Right. I KNOW, but it's .6 and it's staying .6. Right. Uh huh. Uh Huh. Good Point. Yeah. You know what? .6. Hmm? What was that? .6? I'm sorry, I thought you said .6. .6? I'm sorry I can't .6 you, I'm too busy .6ing. *blows brains out*
-Defenders blast. However, sometimes, defenders *don't* blast.
-when somebody picks a blast set for theme reasons, don't suggest to them that their theme is stupid and they should pick a differen blast set.
-when somebody picks a blast set because they think it's OMGERZ synergy!, tell them to pick a blast set for theme reasons or fun, because it's all good, baby... groovy.

[JWBullfrog]

My personal manifesto as a Defender...

1. This is going to hurt-but I'm going to jump into a fight to save that fool anyway.

2. If you run off ahead of me- you deserve what happens to you.

3. I am not just a healer- sometimes I'm your last chance.

4. Don't disrespect the Defender- unless you want to find out how hard life is without one.

[healix]

Healers are like Depends... they cover your @ss while you're busy and prevent leakage.

[seebs]

Honestly i long suspected that seebs was taking credit for someone else's hard work. Most of that guide, especially the parts about planning and tanking, appeared to have been stolen from the personal notes of the player known in game by various names, mostly as Lord Stryker/Everstryke/Skyppy. He wasn't around for the last two years or so, but he was very outspoken and enthusiastic advocate of all of the methods in that guide, both on a team and SG level, during the years he was active. It seems unfair to give seebs all the credit since Skyppy spent years honing his strategies on the Champion server before moving to Virtue to bring his accumulated expertise to a larger audience. (And of course Champion by that point was largely familiar with his approach so there wasn't much left to teach them.)

Since seebs' guide only covered basic teaming and gameplay it left out Skyppy's amazing contributions on how to run an SG, which could have filled a guide on their own.

So I lost my copy of this guide, and I went looking for it, and I found it here, and I read this thread.

And then I had to go figure out whether I still had a Titan account and whether I could remember how to log in, because...

While this may have been a joke, it is in some part literally true. I based a whole lot of the SG stuff on Everstryke and their SG. Specifically. I mean, yes, I embellished a bit, I made up some stuff, I got some ideas from elsewhere, but a ton of the SG stuff, and also the thing about the elaborate tank-pulling mechanic, were based on run-ins with them.

Also, thanks much to the poster who saved this, because I totally thought I had a copy but I cannot find it now.

... actually, now I found my copy. The thing about costumes at the end of section 2 wasn't in my original, so that part's not mine. The rest is, although as noted, it's not necessarily all based on my own expertise.

[JaguarX]

LOL came across my fair share of students of this guide on virtue. Funny stuff. Sucks for the targets though they pick to practice on. At first I thought it was a personality thing but then came to realize that it was a guide they were following.

[MWRuger]

I'll download it. That's a big one, but I've done them before. Might take a while but I'll get it. Wanted to pull some guides out any way.

[Waffles]

Let's not forget, having "Kinetic" in your name essentially ensured you a team whenever you wanted one.

[Burnt Toast]

I loathe the word HEALER. I never wanted a healer for any of my teams.. a defender sure.. a healer.. no thanks.


My SG name was called FRUIT SALAD .... I was and continue to be a huge believer in fruit salad. My main toons the first 4 or 5 years I played were defenders...none of which were "healers" not even my Empathy Defender. Sure I had heal other and heal aura...as well as Regen aura... but I was not a healer.... I was a Defender.


http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/User:Morrisri/Fruit_Salad

[blacksly]

I loathe the word HEALER. I never wanted a healer for any of my teams.. a defender sure.. a healer.. no thanks.

Heal me.

[MWRuger]

SB please. Nao!!!!!