I don't see it.Spoiler for Hidden: It's a dark ending where the bad guy has dramatically won with grave consequences for the entire universe either way. Without any more details, it can't even be called a bare glimmer of hope in the darkness, and even if it were taken as such it's tarnished itself by the dissolution of Fury.
I don't see it eitherSpoiler for Hidden: Just seems like the usual set up for the next character they've been doing since IM. Because to me Doc Strange's use of the time stone pretty much invalidates any of the grave consequences we see from that point on. Now maybe they won't just have Thanos put it all back the way it was or have it revert when Tony tricks him into saying 'Sonaht' or have them all reappear on Battleworld at the end of part 2 or whatever. But I have trouble accepting anything after a character views possible futures, sees one scenario that turns out well, then does something seemingly ridiculous.Spoiler for the ending of Infinity War: Spoiler for Hidden: One thing I think we all have to keep in mind is that the MCU is not the main Marvel Universe. The Infinity Stones are not the Infinity Gems and the MCU Infinity Gauntlet is not the 616 Gauntlet. Thanos was not omnipotent and omniscient in Infinity War. Thor almost killed Thanos, and Stormbreaker was able to resist the power of the Infinity Gauntlet. The stones give the wielder control over different aspects of existence, but that control is not infinite. Unlike in the 616 universe, Thanos *destroys* the Gauntlet when he uses enough power to destroy half the life in the universe. And unlike in the 616 universe, the Soul stone extracts a permanent cost from the user: they must surrender the soul of someone they love. Thanos couldn't recreate Gamora even when he had the Gauntlet, even though it is clear he would have if he could.With the Gauntlet destroyed, the only way to reverse the effects of Infinity War with the Infinity Stones is to recreate the gauntlet and wield the stones. And it is entirely possible that to wield the Soul stone, an Avenger will have to pay the same price Thanos did. We've also seen it established in the MCU that wielding the infinity stones extracts a significant cost on the user: lesser beings can be destroyed even trying to hold them. Thanos is an extremely powerful being. There's no guarantee that any one of the Avengers could wield the Infinity Gauntlet in the same way as Thanos, which means the cost of trying to reverse its effects could be much higher than the cost that Thanos had to pay.We know that Dr. Strange foresaw a way for the Avengers to win. But we don't know what the cost of that victory will be. But it is implied that cost will be high. When Strange tells them he only saw one future in which they win, he says it in a very ominous tone, like its not an entirely happy ending. Outside the fourth wall, we know there are limits to what the Russos can really do in Avengers 4. But given the narrative to date, we really are given no reason to believe that the damage done in Avengers 3 is completely reversible.
Spoiler for ending:Spoiler for Hidden: The nominal ending is: Thanos wins, the end. Of course, outside the movie we know that's not the end, but narratively it has some element of finality even with Dr. Strange's prophetic last words. But with the stinger, there is the narrative sense that Nick Fury has one last trick up his sleeve that could change things.And if we keep our perspective flipped and see this as Thanos' story, then the stinger is exactly like the ending of a horror movie where there's the hint that the villain might not be completely defeated. If Thanos is the protagonist, then he recovers the stones, creates the ultimate weapon, faces the ultimate enemy in Thor, and with his dying breath he defeats his foes and sets the universe right. And then in the stinger, we see that maybe Thanos didn't defeat his greatest threat, and an even greater threat might be on the horizon.
Spoiler for the ending of Infinity War: Spoiler for Hidden: With the Gauntlet destroyed, the only way to reverse the effects of Infinity War with the Infinity Stones is to recreate the gauntlet and wield the stones. And it is entirely possible that to wield the Soul stone, an Avenger will have to pay the same price Thanos did. We've also seen it established in the MCU that wielding the infinity stones extracts a significant cost on the user: lesser beings can be destroyed even trying to hold them. Thanos is an extremely powerful being. There's no guarantee that any one of the Avengers could wield the Infinity Gauntlet in the same way as Thanos, which means the cost of trying to reverse its effects could be much higher than the cost that Thanos had to pay.We know that Dr. Strange foresaw a way for the Avengers to win. But we don't know what the cost of that victory will be. But it is implied that cost will be high. When Strange tells them he only saw one future in which they win, he says it in a very ominous tone, like its not an entirely happy ending. Outside the fourth wall, we know there are limits to what the Russos can really do in Avengers 4. But given the narrative to date, we really are given no reason to believe that the damage done in Avengers 3 is completely reversible.
I loved the movie. I've never had different emotions while watching a movie. But, I have some questions:Spoiler for Hidden: How did Thanos knew the Power Stone was at Nova Core? How did Thanos knew Loki have the Space Stone? How did he knew the The Collector had the Reality Stone? And...... Dr. Strange. He knew all of the stones were expect for the Soul Stone which he had to torture Nebula to force Gamora to tell him where it was.
Spoiler for Hidden: I see so basically this is letting super casual fans only familiar with the MCU that Fury has another plan. Anyone familiar with the comics knows Fury always has another plan, up to and including sniping cosmic beings from asteroids with space rifles. Also most would probably know Cap Marvel is scheduled before A4. But yeah, i'll buy that logic.And sure, whatever will have consequences. My guess will be at the least Tony will die based both on RDJ getting older and probably tired of the character after so many movies but also based on the engagement to Pepper and standard cop-a-week-from-retirement logic. But I don't believe for a second they'd leave Peter or T'Challa dead.
Spoiler for Hidden: The Power Stone was probably a reasonable guess based on the events of GotG Vol1.Thanos might not have known that Loki had the storn, but since the Asgardians had it last, that's a good place to start.As for the Reality Stone, I suspect that nothing goes unnoticed on Knowhere and he just paid/tortured someone for information.
If we're only judging the narrative by what's in the movie (or series of movies):Spoiler for Hidden: There's nothing to indicate Fury's message/plan/whatever will change anything. Especially when there's no indication that he knows specifically what's going on. Without meta-knowledge it's a call out to an unknown entity who just might be dead, and who certainly has no indication that they could possibly deal with a cosmic level threat that's balked gods, monsters, superheroes, and ultra-wizards. It doesn't raise hope (or challenge Thanos' victory), it just raises further questions.
I don't see how there can be any such thing as an interesting story.
Spoiler for Hidden: It says this story isn't over.
I like this idea alot - Strange seems the most apt choice for my money.The lead up is gonna be a hell of a ride!Btw, has anyone else heard the rumours Hugh Jackman was seen on the Avengers set??
I think I can say without spoilers that even without the after credits scene no sensible person familiar with the movies would've thought that it was.
I believe I heard something about those rumours yesterday. Around 7:16:29 pm-ish.
Well yes and no. Many people said they were emotionally affected by the ending, because many people process stories as they are presented without analyzing them in their heads in real time. You might "know" that Avengers 4 is coming, but that doesn't mean that knowledge colors everyone's experience of watching the movie. Being shown something or told something is different than knowing.