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Avengers:Infinity War. GO SEE IT
« on: April 27, 2018, 04:47:32 AM »
Really, go see it before it is spoiled for you.


I caught a 9:45 tonight and was glad I did since I otherwise would have had to wait 2-3 weeks.   I give it a strong 8, but really don't want to discuss other than,  damn... the Russo brothers and crew did a great job keeping the details under wraps.    I'm not familiar with the comic storyline,  but they packed a lot in and it felt like it went fast....I was ready to sit through what would have been part 2 right there. I will likely go see it again. No mid credirs scene,  but 1 end credit.


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Re: Avengers:Infinity War. GO SEE IT
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2018, 03:49:49 PM »
The Russo brothers really have a handle on making these big ensemble movies without making any of the characters feel like token appearances - everyone feels like they should be there.
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2018, 04:52:02 PM »
The Russo brothers really have a handle on making these big ensemble movies without making any of the characters feel like token appearances - everyone feels like they should be there.

DC and Warner should go see this and takes notes - lots of notes on - how to do these types of films that won't suck.

Or just let Disney buy them too.



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Re: Avengers:Infinity War. GO SEE IT
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2018, 05:48:04 PM »
DC and Warner should go see this and takes notes - lots of notes on - how to do these types of films that won't suck.

Or just let Disney buy them too.

The problem with DC is that they're impatient.  Marvel has done this set up for 10 years now and it's really quite an achievement (as GG mentioned, they really have done a phenomenal job making a tight movie without feeling like someone was shoe-horned).  Furthermore, I don't think you can appreciate Infinity War fully if you haven't seen a good number of the prior movies (i.e., it isn't standalone).  DC is trying to play catch up because they think they're competing against marvel when really they're only beating themselves.

Edit:  As a slightly related tangent, I was really hoping they could have slipped the Defenders in as a token nod, but sadly, no.  I don't think that needs spoiler tags ( ' ;

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Re: Avengers:Infinity War. GO SEE IT
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2018, 07:34:54 PM »
Went and saw it this morning. It was great! Everything I was expecting and it had humor, suspense and was really fun!
I can't recommend seeing this more highly!

Did anyone else get one of these this weekend?


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Re: Avengers:Infinity War. GO SEE IT
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2018, 03:07:49 PM »
i liked Thanos's motivations better than the comics. It's always better when the villain has more depth than "I am mighty and I want x!"

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Though nobody tell Thanos it only takes Earth about 20 years to double its population.

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2018, 03:29:49 PM »
I don't really agree with that.

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He was better as just a serial/mass killer. There's no reason to give him a twisted benevolent slant. He kills because death is good and he loves her. That is all. The sight of Thanos crying disgusts me. The only tears he should be capable of are crocodile.

Other than that, my only problem was that except for Hulk and briefly Vision, the rest of the Earthbound cast were dull as dirt, even the recently awesome Black Panther cast.

Well...

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I also didn't like the Soul Gem's "payment." It should be that you sacrifice your own soul. Killing someone else isn't a sacrifice on your part.
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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2018, 02:34:26 AM »
I admit I liked it a lot, it had some issues there and here, but I was willing to let those go and appreciate the 10 years of build up.

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And if he had to 'give up his soul' with how the gem worked he'd be dead, so him having to kill something he loved worked for me.

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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2018, 02:57:40 PM »
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Meh. If Thanos doesn't love himself (or death) most of all, they're doing it wrongly. I also don't consider losing your soul to be death, at least not in any meaningful way. Besides, in the original, Thanos learned that becoming "god" was BS and not worth it, anyway.
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Re: Avengers:Infinity War. GO SEE IT
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2018, 04:35:49 PM »
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Meh. If Thanos doesn't love himself (or death) most of all, they're doing it wrongly. I also don't consider losing your soul to be death, at least not in any meaningful way. Besides, in the original, Thanos learned that becoming "god" was BS and not worth it, anyway.

Wasn't there a run in the comics where he became sort of a 'good' guy or at least gave up his old ways for a while?

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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2018, 07:56:21 PM »
i liked Thanos's motivations better than the comics. It's always better when the villain has more depth than "I am mighty and I want x!"

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Though nobody tell Thanos it only takes Earth about 20 years to double its population.

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I thought the reason why he wants to wipe out half the universe was to restore humanity on Titan.

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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2018, 08:44:16 PM »
Very difficult to discuss without spoilers.  I'd give it a 9 out of 10 if you're a fan of the Marvel movies in general, but I don't think there is enough there on its own to be the kind of movie that will change minds.  I recommend Black Panther even to people who don't like the previous Marvel movies.  But this movie is definitely one for the fans.

I liked the MCU version of Thanos.  Infinity War is a rather unique creature among superhero movies in which the villain is the protagonist of the movie.  It is Thanos who has the strongest character arc, and it is paid off in the movie.  If you think about the movie that way, the movie ended the only way it could end.

I liked the way the movie handled the characters in general.  It seemed remarkably balanced for a movie with so many characters.  But a lot of the credit for that goes to Marvel Studios for continuing to build on their cinematic universe.  If you've seen the previous movies and have come to know and love these characters you can hit the ground running.  If not, it could seem to be a blurry jumble to a newcomer.  If there is such a thing.

I liked the way that in one sense its obviously the first part of a longer story, and in another sense it is one stand alone story.  But there's no way to discuss that spoiler free.

Amazingly, I liked the fact that the trailers both hyped the movie and yet didn't give away many important beats to the story.  That doesn't happen often these days.

I personally liked the way they used humor to help pace the movie.  Infinity War is extremely dense, and it moves rapidly from one scene where a lot is happening to another scene where a lot is happening.  In some movies (say, Winter Soldier) the action and activity is interspersed among slower scenes where the audience can catch their breath.  In this movie, you don't get very many such moments.  The banter and the humor make sure you don't get wound up too tightly for too long.  It can be a little distracting at times, but I think that's deliberate.  You're meant to get slightly kicked out of the scene to have a laugh and then jump right back in.

I liked that the movie defied expectations.  It did that multiple times.  I won't say more about that.


There's two moments that I think some will think are dumb.  The second one didn't bother me, because I believe that there was a very good reason for it set up earlier, where the character in question is doing an apparently dumb thing for a good reason we just don't know.  In fact it is so obviously out of character that it plays as a deliberate act of subterfuge.  The first one made me literally think they should have just eaten Gilligan.  If i was there, I would have literally shot him in the face.


As I'm watching the credits roll waiting for the stinger, all I could think was "wow, I really just saw that."  If you are a fan of the MCU, go see this movie.  If you don't have excellent bladder control, don't drink the big drink: there are very few bathroom break moments in the movie.  Don't read spoilers.  Don't read anything about the movie until you see it.  See it with fresh eyes.  Infinity War is as much an experience as a story, and you'll want to get the full experience of just watching it all happen.

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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2018, 08:48:44 PM »
DC and Warner should go see this and takes notes - lots of notes on - how to do these types of films that won't suck.

No.  They should go watch Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America.  That's how you make Infinity War: you start there.  They keep trying to swing for the fences.  They aren't Babe Ruth.

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Or just let Disney buy them too.

That would help, but that's not enough.  The MCU got really lucky in having someone like Kevin Feige shepherd the MCU in just the right way to get us here.  It could have gone wrong any number of ways.  Its not even clear to me he could do it again from scratch.  Marvel had patience, they had time on their side, they didn't face any serious competition, and they were willing to take just enough risk to keep things moving forward without taking too much risk and blowing it all up.  They need someone willing to do that for the DC movies.  And the don't currently have that guy.  Everyone at DC and Warner either is beholden to the comics too much, or wants to ignore them too much.  They need someone that loves them, is inspired by them, but can cherry pick the right pieces to put in film in its own unique way.

They've done it before.  Maybe they need Bruce Timm supervising the DC movies.

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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2018, 09:01:43 PM »
The weekend estimates are for record 250 million domestic - Justice League only limped to 229 million domestic for it's whole run - it's not even a contest anymore, it's a rout.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2018, 09:09:23 PM »
No.  They should go watch Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America.  That's how you make Infinity War: you start there.  They keep trying to swing for the fences.  They aren't Babe Ruth.

That would help, but that's not enough.  The MCU got really lucky in having someone like Kevin Feige shepherd the MCU in just the right way to get us here.  It could have gone wrong any number of ways.  Its not even clear to me he could do it again from scratch.  Marvel had patience, they had time on their side, they didn't face any serious competition, and they were willing to take just enough risk to keep things moving forward without taking too much risk and blowing it all up.  They need someone willing to do that for the DC movies.  And the don't currently have that guy.  Everyone at DC and Warner either is beholden to the comics too much, or wants to ignore them too much.  They need someone that loves them, is inspired by them, but can cherry pick the right pieces to put in film in its own unique way.

They've done it before.  Maybe they need Bruce Timm supervising the DC movies.

Got to agree.

And the best stuff DC has ever done with the characters are the animated shows like the Batman & Superman series or Justice Leagues.
Or even many of their DVD films are 50 times better then the live action ones.

Too bad there wasn't the vision of things to come back in the day. We could have had Chris Reeve Superman teaming up with the Keaton Batman and the Wesley-Ship Flash.




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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2018, 09:20:16 PM »
WB could improve their chances drastically if they started respecting comics instead of being ashamed of them.
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Re: Avengers:Infinity War. GO SEE IT
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2018, 11:50:14 PM »
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Meh. If Thanos doesn't love himself (or death) most of all, they're doing it wrongly. I also don't consider losing your soul to be death, at least not in any meaningful way. Besides, in the original, Thanos learned that becoming "god" was BS and not worth it, anyway.

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You might not, but that was one of the way Adam Warlock would kill people in the comics using the soul gem to remove their souls and kill them. Plus I'll be honest I think he reasoning in the movie is a lot more workable then him being an emo fanboy begging the personification of a natural force to love him.

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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2018, 11:54:42 PM »
WB could improve their chances drastically if they started respecting comics instead of being ashamed of them.

But if we did that then we can't have Superman as done by Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged.

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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2018, 02:06:59 AM »
WB could improve their chances drastically if they started respecting comics instead of being ashamed of them.

Except that 90+% of their comics are just as terrible as their movies and non-Timm shows, if not worse.

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So Thanos is basically space Ra's al Ghul. Ok, i guess that's as good as wanting to impress Death.

Half the population disappearing at once... If Stan isn't wearing a 'Kirk Cameron was right' t-shirt in the next movie they're missing out.

Also I can't believe they ripped off the Phantom Menace.

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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2018, 06:02:02 AM »
Except that 90+% of their comics are just as terrible as their movies and non-Timm shows, if not worse.

Their quality varies just as wildly as Marvel comics - what I'm talking about is that just like the MCU has done, the DCCU needs to understand that the silliness of comics is where the awesomeness comes from and that silly and serious aren't incompatible.
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