The Russo brothers really have a handle on making these big ensemble movies without making any of the characters feel like token appearances - everyone feels like they should be there.
DC and Warner should go see this and takes notes - lots of notes on - how to do these types of films that won't suck.
Or just let Disney buy them too.
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DC and Warner should go see this and takes notes - lots of notes on - how to do these types of films that won't suck.
Or just let Disney buy them too.
No. They should go watch Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America. That's how you make Infinity War: you start there. They keep trying to swing for the fences. They aren't Babe Ruth.
That would help, but that's not enough. The MCU got really lucky in having someone like Kevin Feige shepherd the MCU in just the right way to get us here. It could have gone wrong any number of ways. Its not even clear to me he could do it again from scratch. Marvel had patience, they had time on their side, they didn't face any serious competition, and they were willing to take just enough risk to keep things moving forward without taking too much risk and blowing it all up. They need someone willing to do that for the DC movies. And the don't currently have that guy. Everyone at DC and Warner either is beholden to the comics too much, or wants to ignore them too much. They need someone that loves them, is inspired by them, but can cherry pick the right pieces to put in film in its own unique way.
They've done it before. Maybe they need Bruce Timm supervising the DC movies.
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WB could improve their chances drastically if they started respecting comics instead of being ashamed of them.
WB could improve their chances drastically if they started respecting comics instead of being ashamed of them.
Except that 90+% of their comics are just as terrible as their movies and non-Timm shows, if not worse.
The first one made me literally think they should have just eaten Gilligan (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JustEatGilligan). If i was there, I would have literally shot him in the face.
The weekend estimates are for record 250 million domestic - Justice League only limped to 229 million domestic for it's whole run - it's not even a contest anymore, it's a rout.
Yeah... "We don't trade lives!"
DC and Warner should go see this and takes notes - lots of notes on - how to do these types of films that won't suck.
Or just let Disney buy them too.
H311, DC's movie division should watch "Crisis On Earth-X" and take notes on how to do these types of films that won't suck.
This is true. That miniseries was way better then any of the films.
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Actually, you're both partially wrong. MCU Thanos' motivation is not radically dissimilar to the one in the comics. It is just that a lot of people have forgotten what his motivation actually was in the comics.
On another note, if anyone is reading this thread and is one of the nine people on Earth that hasn't seen the movie yet, stay to the end of the credits for the stinger scene at the end. In my opinion Infinity War's stinger is an integral part of the movie. Without it, Infinity War ends on a very specific note. But with the stinger, the movie ends on an epilogue that has a materially different tone.
On another note, if anyone is reading this thread and is one of the nine people on Earth that hasn't seen the movie yet, stay to the end of the credits for the stinger scene at the end. In my opinion Infinity War's stinger is an integral part of the movie. Without it, Infinity War ends on a very specific note. But with the stinger, the movie ends on an epilogue that has a materially different tone.
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On another note, if anyone is reading this thread and is one of the nine people on Earth that hasn't seen the movie yet, stay to the end of the credits for the stinger scene at the end. In my opinion Infinity War's stinger is an integral part of the movie. Without it, Infinity War ends on a very specific note. But with the stinger, the movie ends on an epilogue that has a materially different tone.
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I don't see how there can be any such thing as an interesting story.
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I like this idea alot - Strange seems the most apt choice for my money.
The lead up is gonna be a hell of a ride!
Btw, has anyone else heard the rumours Hugh Jackman was seen on the Avengers set??
I think I can say without spoilers that even without the after credits scene no sensible person familiar with the movies would've thought that it was.
I believe I heard something about those rumours yesterday. Around 7:16:29 pm-ish.
Well yes and no. Many people said they were emotionally affected by the ending, because many people process stories as they are presented without analyzing them in their heads in real time. You might "know" that Avengers 4 is coming, but that doesn't mean that knowledge colors everyone's experience of watching the movie. Being shown something or told something is different than knowing.
Actually, you're both partially wrong. MCU Thanos' motivation is not radically dissimilar to the one in the comics. It is just that a lot of people have forgotten what his motivation actually was in the comics.
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This got me rereading Infinity Gauntlet. Because it didn't match up with the love stricken doof I remembered. I present Thanos' self-proclaimed cosmic purpose, spoken to Death about why he collected the Infinity Gems:
"But I only sought such glory to become worthy of your love. Your heart deserves better than the thrall I was."
This is in amongst some hilarious why-won't-you-notice-me-sempai type dialogue as Thanos begs, pleads, threatens, blows up a minion, and otherwise tries to get Death to love him. What a maroon.
The credits were so long that by the time the requisite after credit scene appeared the processing of the movie's story should've been well over. I'm not arguing that the ending wasn't emotional even knowing that there's inevitably more to come, just that the after credits scene didn't change that one way or the other (in my opinion, it would be a shame if it did). Nor have any of them really impacted their preceding story.
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I disagree with you Arcana. What Star Lord did was human. Also, remember in Civil War when Tony Stark found out Bucky killed is parents? He tried to kill him. That was very emotional and it's also hypocritical of Tony telling him that. Imagine if you found out I killed one of your loved ones you will do the same thing to me. I don't blame Star Lord at all in my opinion.
I disagree with you Arcana. What Star Lord did was human. Also, remember in Civil War when Tony Stark found out Bucky killed is parents? He tried to kill him. That was very emotional and it's also hypocritical of Tony telling him that. Imagine if you found out I killed one of your loved ones you will do the same thing to me. I don't blame Star Lord at all in my opinion.
I don't know, I have a sneaking suspicion that the situation with the Soul Stone may be a bit more complicated than it seems at first.
Iron Man was lashing out angrily, but he wasn't trying to kill Rogers, or for that matter probably not Bucky either, in Civil War. He wasn't unleashing anywhere near the full lethal abilities of the Iron Man suit at the time. He could have literally vaporized both of them. We've seen him unleash firepower far in excess of what he was using on both of them.
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You said it - the arm - if Tony had really wanted to hurt Bucky he could have, but by choosing to take out his arm it's clear he only meant to neutralize the threat.
Rogers had other ideas though...
It's Tony that's lucky to be alive, cause Steve went straight for the thing that could quite easily have killed him!!
I'm not buying it. We clearly saw he was trying to kill Bucky. He even took out his arm for crying out loud.Tony didn't take out Bucky's arm via some strategy or tactic. He did it to keep Bucky from ripping out the Arc reactor. That the arm was destroyed was a side effect.
Then, explain the missiles. Why was Tony using missiles against Bucky? That's lethal enough.
Explain why he didn't use the kind of missiles that actually explode with enough force to kill everyone within a wide radius when they detonate, as opposed to the kind that I can dodge by jumping behind a car door. Explain why he didn't use the full force of the arc reactor at any other point in the fight, when it could have easily vaporized a hole right through Bucky.
The Avengers were using lethal weaponry in Civil War also, but it is also clear they are not using their full capabilities. That stuff is lethal in theory, but they all know it isn't likely to be lethal against each other due to their capabilities.
If you want to argue that Tony was using lethal weaponry against both Bucky and Cap, sure, that's literally true. But if you want to argue he was actually trying to kill them, you have to explain why he wasn't trying even 10% as hard as he could have, and using weaponry he has repeatedly demonstrated his Iron Man suits are packing for when he really wants to eliminate a threat.
If you want to argue that Tony was using lethal weaponry against both Bucky and Cap, sure, that's literally true. But if you want to argue he was actually trying to kill them, you have to explain why he wasn't trying even 10% as hard as he could have, and using weaponry he has repeatedly demonstrated his Iron Man suits are packing for when he really wants to eliminate a threat.
I didn't say Tony was trying to kill both Cap and Bucky. He specifically was after Bucky. Captain America was just in his way. He didn't really wanted to hurt Rogers. During the fight you saw Iron Man temporarily immobilized Captain America. Then, he tried blocking him and, on the last moment he said "Stand down. Final warning" to Steve. That's why he held back a little.
What I always found funny in Civil War is guys like Tony and Rhoadie and Vision are all for keeping super heroes and their powers in check - yet the fight at the airport that they basically start destroyed a whole bunch of people's cars, quite a few airplanes - Vision heat visioned that tower to collapse trying to stop Cap and Bucky and almost killed Rhoadie.
I've worked in security for over twenty one years. I've lost count of the number of times I've broken the literal letter of the law to protect people from other people who are breaking the law. It just doesn't involve blowing up airports, so far. But I can't argue with the notion that a lot of my career has an element of hypocrisy to it. Nevertheless, there are many things I've done over the years that I would not allow anyone else to do if I had any say.
That was kind of the point I was making. Even if they all signed and obeyed the accords they would probably still be causing mayhem and destruction stopping bad guys, except I guess they would be legally protected by the UN, if they sent them in.
That's the reality of it. Battles between super-humans would be massively destructive. In the very short run, it would make way more sense to just pay super-villains a 7, 8, or 9 figure salary just to save the expense of constant rebuilding.
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