DC's Legends of Tomorrow season 2

[Tenzhi]

I think I'll just have to accept that this series is one whose story I don't care about beyond its capacity to bring together underrepresented bits of the DC universe.

[doc7924]

I think I'll just have to accept that this series is one whose story I don't care about beyond its capacity to bring together underrepresented bits of the DC universe.

I like the show, but its a bit all over the place most of the time.

[Tenzhi]

That device Thawne stole at the end looked familiar...  can anyone help my stupid old memory out there?  And don't tell me they named it in the episode and I missed it...

[eabrace]

And don't tell me they named it in the episode and I missed it...

[Vee]

I was pleasantly surprised that their version of the JSA wasn't a complete dumpster fire.

[doc7924]

I was pleasantly surprised that their version of the JSA wasn't a complete dumpster fire.

I was a bit confused since it seemed in the Arrowverse super powers and humans seemed rather a new thing.
If the JSA was active in the 1940's then shouldn't they have been known about in the present time?

Though they did Stargirl great and a few others. Had that 'Watchmen' vibe with the costumes.
Did a better job I think they when they did the JSA in Smallville.

[Excidia]

Thinking they said something like the JSA was a secret organization.  Not well known at the time, and not hidden from history but mostly just a footnote.  Steel's grandson mentions there are pictures of his grandfather online if you know where to look.  Stargirl and Obsidian are the only ones with noticable super powers.  Vixen and Mid-Nite's powers are subtle and would just come across as highly trained humans, as would all the non-powered members (not sure if that version of Steel had the metal skeleton but it's not obvious either way).

The break for me was that they were all the modern versions of the characters in 1942 rather than the originals from the 40s (for the characters who existed in the 40s or later creations officially retconned into the JSA of the 40s)

A little hypocritical of Vixen telling Ray he's not a superhero because he relies on gadgets.  She relies on an artifact, same thing.  As soon as the Nazi's take away the totem, she's sitting in a chair until someone saves her.  Ray doesn't stop when someone takes the suit.

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[Vee]

Yay, now we're only short Gypsy and Zatanna before Aquaman can come along and move the whole CW-verse to Detroit!

[doc7924]

Thinking they said something like the JSA was a secret organization.  Not well known at the time, and not hidden from history but mostly just a footnote.  Steel's grandson mentions there are pictures of his grandfather online if you know where to look.  Stargirl and Obsidian are the only ones with noticable super powers.  Vixen and Mid-Nite's powers are subtle and would just come across as highly trained humans, as would all the non-powered members (not sure if that version of Steel had the metal skeleton but it's not obvious either way).

The break for me was that they were all the modern versions of the characters in 1942 rather than the originals from the 40s (for the characters who existed in the 40s or later creations officially retconned into the JSA of the 40s)

A little hypocritical of Vixen telling Ray he's not a superhero because he relies on gadgets.  She relies on an artifact, same thing.  As soon as the Nazi's take away the totem, she's sitting in a chair until someone saves her.  Ray doesn't stop when someone takes the suit.

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Well I don't see why Ray can't build another suit. He's on a ship from the future, that travels through time. He can get whatever he needs.

And the way Vixen and Rory don't seem to like each other - I am smelling a romance coming up.

100% right on Vixen as well. Ray fought just wearing that old armor. What is it they say - courage is not lack of fear but being afraid and doing it anyway.

Ray may be an idiot sometimes in the common sense department but he has what it takes. (I still can't stop thinking of him as Superman though)

[Kaos Arcanna]

I still wish they had gotten the rights to make him Ted Kord instead of Ray Palmer.  Nothing about him really comes across as being based on the comics' Ray Palmer except that he can occasionally shrink.

[Vee]

(I still can't stop thinking of him as Superman though)

I'm sure the actor would be glad to hear that seeing as almost no one could think of him as Superman in the movie where he played Superman.

[doc7924]

I'm sure the actor would be glad to hear that seeing as almost no one could think of him as Superman in the movie where he played Superman.

LOL. I only got to see it because it was in that DVD set with all the other films.

I have to be honest - a few times I could see him as the Chris Reeve Superman. (But that film was a mess).

Who knows - maybe now he can make a real Atom costume and just shrink. I always felt he was just the DC version of Iron Man in the TV Universe anyway.

[CG]

I wish they could have followed the look and feel of Miami Vice during the Miami part of the episode (as much as possible).  That earth toned car in the background looked completely out of place!

[Vee]

Ok time anomalies be damned, how do you live with yourself if you miss the opportunity to tell George that the fate of the world depends on him retiring in 1990 and never making another movie under any circumstances?

[eabrace]

Ok time anomalies be damned, how do you live with yourself if you miss the opportunity to tell George that the fate of the world depends on him retiring in 1990 and never making another movie under any circumstances?

That would have been hilarious. 

[doc7924]

Seriously - they majorly mess up history every week and there are almost no consequences.

Regardless whether Lucas makes his films or not, his life has totally changed and all those people that Dum Dum and Captain Jack killed in 1967 has to add up to some kind of changes.


Barry can knock over a garbage can in the past and totally alter the timeline.

[Mandu]

Seriously - they majorly mess up history every week and there are almost no consequences.

Regardless whether Lucas makes his films or not, his life has totally changed and all those people that Dum Dum and Captain Jack killed in 1967 has to add up to some kind of changes.


Barry can knock over a garbage can in the past and totally alter the timeline.

Time is like water.  You create a change and you create ripples.  But reality is also like a series of discrete pools.  The death of somebody in some town half way across the country may affect those around them drastically but unless they were very important it's like dropping a small pebble into a pool.  The ripples will disturb the pool but never affect the pools all around it.  If the change is big enough it's like throwing a huge boulder into a pool.  The water can splash into adjacent pools which can surge over their banks to affect other pools and so on but a lesser effect each step away.

But the speed force permeates everything.  So creating a ripple using the speed force is like sending a surge into the spring that feeds all the pools.  Even if the pools seem to have no visible connection they still wind up being disturbed.  That's why the Dominators and time wraiths get so upset with Barry.  The Legends time alterations are only affecting Earth.  Barry is messing things up across the multiverse.

[doc7924]

Time is like water.  You create a change and you create ripples.  But reality is also like a series of discrete pools.  The death of somebody in some town half way across the country may affect those around them drastically but unless they were very important it's like dropping a small pebble into a pool.  The ripples will disturb the pool but never affect the pools all around it.  If the change is big enough it's like throwing a huge boulder into a pool.  The water can splash into adjacent pools which can surge over their banks to affect other pools and so on but a lesser effect each step away.

But the speed force permeates everything.  So creating a ripple using the speed force is like sending a surge into the spring that feeds all the pools.  Even if the pools seem to have no visible connection they still wind up being disturbed.  That's why the Dominators and time wraiths get so upset with Barry.  The Legends time alterations are only affecting Earth.  Barry is messing things up across the multiverse.

But he doesn't us the Speed Force to alter time, just to get there. Its no different whether he runs there faster than light or takes a time ship.
I see what you are saying but even little ripples can add up big time. Its not like the Legends only change one thing like Barry did - they make changes on top of changes.
They messed up a lot in ancient Japan and 1941 and 1967 and whatever else and all should build on top of one another. 

This is just my looking at it of course but I see no difference in Barry changing the timeline by saving his Mom than the Professor talking himself into having a daughter he never had before he messed in the past. Both made a huge change in the timeline.

[Vee]

I think I've said this before but these shows would be a lot better if Mandu were supervising the writers.

[Nos482]

Can we just forget about the Legends and get a Legion of Doom show?
Those three are quite the fun to watch.