Author Topic: DC's Legends of Tomorrow season 2 (Read 14946 times)

Tenzhi · « **on:** October 15, 2016, 07:13:44 AM »

I think I'll just have to accept that this series is one whose story I don't care about beyond its capacity to bring together underrepresented bits of the DC universe.

doc7924 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 15, 2016, 02:18:55 PM »

Quote from: Tenzhi on October 15, 2016, 07:13:44 AM

I think I'll just have to accept that this series is one whose story I don't care about beyond its capacity to bring together underrepresented bits of the DC universe.

I like the show, but its a bit all over the place most of the time.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #2 on:** October 22, 2016, 12:58:59 PM »

That device Thawne stole at the end looked familiar... can anyone help my stupid old memory out there? And don't tell me they named it in the episode and I missed it...

eabrace · « **Reply #3 on:** October 22, 2016, 02:20:39 PM »

Quote from: Tenzhi on October 22, 2016, 12:58:59 PM

And don't tell me they named it in the episode and I missed it...

Vee · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2016, 12:21:07 AM »

I was pleasantly surprised that their version of the JSA wasn't a complete dumpster fire.

doc7924 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 25, 2016, 02:56:46 PM »

Quote from: Vee on October 23, 2016, 12:21:07 AM

I was pleasantly surprised that their version of the JSA wasn't a complete dumpster fire.

I was a bit confused since it seemed in the Arrowverse super powers and humans seemed rather a new thing.
If the JSA was active in the 1940's then shouldn't they have been known about in the present time?

Though they did Stargirl great and a few others. Had that 'Watchmen' vibe with the costumes.
Did a better job I think they when they did the JSA in Smallville.

Excidia · « **Reply #6 on:** October 27, 2016, 02:12:18 PM »

Thinking they said something like the JSA was a secret organization. Not well known at the time, and not hidden from history but mostly just a footnote. Steel's grandson mentions there are pictures of his grandfather online if you know where to look. Stargirl and Obsidian are the only ones with noticable super powers. Vixen and Mid-Nite's powers are subtle and would just come across as highly trained humans, as would all the non-powered members (not sure if that version of Steel had the metal skeleton but it's not obvious either way).

The break for me was that they were all the modern versions of the characters in 1942 rather than the originals from the 40s (for the characters who existed in the 40s or later creations officially retconned into the JSA of the 40s)

A little hypocritical of Vixen telling Ray he's not a superhero because he relies on gadgets. She relies on an artifact, same thing. As soon as the Nazi's take away the totem, she's sitting in a chair until someone saves her. Ray doesn't stop when someone takes the suit.

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Vee · « **Reply #7 on:** October 28, 2016, 07:46:38 PM »

Yay, now we're only short Gypsy and Zatanna before Aquaman can come along and move the whole CW-verse to Detroit!

doc7924 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 29, 2016, 01:35:37 PM »

Quote from: Excidia on October 27, 2016, 02:12:18 PM

Thinking they said something like the JSA was a secret organization. Not well known at the time, and not hidden from history but mostly just a footnote. Steel's grandson mentions there are pictures of his grandfather online if you know where to look. Stargirl and Obsidian are the only ones with noticable super powers. Vixen and Mid-Nite's powers are subtle and would just come across as highly trained humans, as would all the non-powered members (not sure if that version of Steel had the metal skeleton but it's not obvious either way).

The break for me was that they were all the modern versions of the characters in 1942 rather than the originals from the 40s (for the characters who existed in the 40s or later creations officially retconned into the JSA of the 40s)

A little hypocritical of Vixen telling Ray he's not a superhero because he relies on gadgets. She relies on an artifact, same thing. As soon as the Nazi's take away the totem, she's sitting in a chair until someone saves her. Ray doesn't stop when someone takes the suit.

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Well I don't see why Ray can't build another suit. He's on a ship from the future, that travels through time. He can get whatever he needs.

And the way Vixen and Rory don't seem to like each other - I am smelling a romance coming up.

100% right on Vixen as well. Ray fought just wearing that old armor. What is it they say - courage is not lack of fear but being afraid and doing it anyway.

Ray may be an idiot sometimes in the common sense department but he has what it takes. (I still can't stop thinking of him as Superman though)

Kaos Arcanna · « **Reply #9 on:** October 29, 2016, 01:39:44 PM »

I still wish they had gotten the rights to make him Ted Kord instead of Ray Palmer. Nothing about him really comes across as being based on the comics' Ray Palmer except that he can occasionally shrink.

Vee · « **Reply #10 on:** October 29, 2016, 08:45:54 PM »

Quote from: doc7924 on October 29, 2016, 01:35:37 PM

(I still can't stop thinking of him as Superman though)

I'm sure the actor would be glad to hear that seeing as almost no one could think of him as Superman in the movie where he played Superman.

doc7924 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 31, 2016, 12:36:30 PM »

Quote from: Vee on October 29, 2016, 08:45:54 PM

I'm sure the actor would be glad to hear that seeing as almost no one could think of him as Superman in the movie where he played Superman.

LOL. I only got to see it because it was in that DVD set with all the other films.

I have to be honest - a few times I could see him as the Chris Reeve Superman. (But that film was a mess).

Who knows - maybe now he can make a real Atom costume and just shrink. I always felt he was just the DC version of Iron Man in the TV Universe anyway.

CG · « **Reply #12 on:** November 14, 2016, 02:23:20 PM »

I wish they could have followed the look and feel of Miami Vice during the Miami part of the episode (as much as possible). That earth toned car in the background looked completely out of place!

Vee · « **Reply #13 on:** January 26, 2017, 10:22:38 PM »

Ok time anomalies be damned, how do you live with yourself if you miss the opportunity to tell George that the fate of the world depends on him retiring in 1990 and never making another movie under any circumstances?

eabrace · « **Reply #14 on:** January 27, 2017, 12:05:17 AM »

Quote from: Vee on January 26, 2017, 10:22:38 PM

Ok time anomalies be damned, how do you live with yourself if you miss the opportunity to tell George that the fate of the world depends on him retiring in 1990 and never making another movie under any circumstances?

That would have been hilarious.

doc7924 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 27, 2017, 01:27:04 AM »

Seriously - they majorly mess up history every week and there are almost no consequences.

Regardless whether Lucas makes his films or not, his life has totally changed and all those people that Dum Dum and Captain Jack killed in 1967 has to add up to some kind of changes.

Barry can knock over a garbage can in the past and totally alter the timeline.

Mandu · « **Reply #16 on:** January 28, 2017, 04:24:32 PM »

Quote from: doc7924 on January 27, 2017, 01:27:04 AM

Seriously - they majorly mess up history every week and there are almost no consequences.

Regardless whether Lucas makes his films or not, his life has totally changed and all those people that Dum Dum and Captain Jack killed in 1967 has to add up to some kind of changes.

Barry can knock over a garbage can in the past and totally alter the timeline.

Time is like water. You create a change and you create ripples. But reality is also like a series of discrete pools. The death of somebody in some town half way across the country may affect those around them drastically but unless they were very important it's like dropping a small pebble into a pool. The ripples will disturb the pool but never affect the pools all around it. If the change is big enough it's like throwing a huge boulder into a pool. The water can splash into adjacent pools which can surge over their banks to affect other pools and so on but a lesser effect each step away.

But the speed force permeates everything. So creating a ripple using the speed force is like sending a surge into the spring that feeds all the pools. Even if the pools seem to have no visible connection they still wind up being disturbed. That's why the Dominators and time wraiths get so upset with Barry. The Legends time alterations are only affecting Earth. Barry is messing things up across the multiverse.

doc7924 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 28, 2017, 09:01:41 PM »

Quote from: Mandu on January 28, 2017, 04:24:32 PM

Time is like water. You create a change and you create ripples. But reality is also like a series of discrete pools. The death of somebody in some town half way across the country may affect those around them drastically but unless they were very important it's like dropping a small pebble into a pool. The ripples will disturb the pool but never affect the pools all around it. If the change is big enough it's like throwing a huge boulder into a pool. The water can splash into adjacent pools which can surge over their banks to affect other pools and so on but a lesser effect each step away.

But the speed force permeates everything. So creating a ripple using the speed force is like sending a surge into the spring that feeds all the pools. Even if the pools seem to have no visible connection they still wind up being disturbed. That's why the Dominators and time wraiths get so upset with Barry. The Legends time alterations are only affecting Earth. Barry is messing things up across the multiverse.

But he doesn't us the Speed Force to alter time, just to get there. Its no different whether he runs there faster than light or takes a time ship.
I see what you are saying but even little ripples can add up big time. Its not like the Legends only change one thing like Barry did - they make changes on top of changes.
They messed up a lot in ancient Japan and 1941 and 1967 and whatever else and all should build on top of one another.

This is just my looking at it of course but I see no difference in Barry changing the timeline by saving his Mom than the Professor talking himself into having a daughter he never had before he messed in the past. Both made a huge change in the timeline.

Vee · « **Reply #18 on:** January 28, 2017, 09:45:14 PM »

I think I've said this before but these shows would be a lot better if Mandu were supervising the writers.

Nos482 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 07, 2017, 07:02:41 AM »

Can we just forget about the Legends and get a Legion of Doom show?
Those three are quite the fun to watch.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #20 on:** February 07, 2017, 08:38:10 AM »

Quote from: Nos482 on February 07, 2017, 07:02:41 AM

Legion of Doom

I have to agree with the "we're not calling them that" comment in the show. There's only three of them. They're hardly legion. I propose Doom Stooges.

doc7924 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 08, 2017, 02:49:54 PM »

Quote from: Tenzhi on February 07, 2017, 08:38:10 AM

I have to agree with the "we're not calling them that" comment in the show. There's only three of them. They're hardly legion. I propose Doom Stooges.

Vee · « **Reply #22 on:** February 11, 2017, 08:11:59 AM »

Does it seem like the writers and the network had a completely different production schedule? The star wars and holiday episodes would have made a lot more sense in december.

doc7924 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2017, 07:48:01 AM »

Quote from: Vee on February 11, 2017, 08:11:59 AM

Does it seem like the writers and the network had a completely different production schedule? The star wars and holiday episodes would have made a lot more sense in december.

They travel in time. Does it really matter when they celebrate a holiday?

Vee · « **Reply #24 on:** February 12, 2017, 08:02:30 AM »

not sure if serious.

Oh but also that episode would have fit better in December so when Arrow repeated the same "I'm not doing this to save them, I'm doing it to save you" schlock it would have at least not been the very next day.

doc7924 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 12, 2017, 12:40:06 PM »

Quote from: Vee on February 12, 2017, 08:02:30 AM

not sure if serious.

Oh but also that episode would have fit better in December so when Arrow repeated the same "I'm not doing this to save them, I'm doing it to save you" schlock it would have at least not been the very next day.

I was kind of serious. Sure, production wise they should have had a Christmas episode near Christmas, but in the context of the show, they can celebrate anything, anytime they want in a time machine.

Vee · « **Reply #26 on:** February 12, 2017, 07:54:03 PM »

well yeah, but my original comment was specific to production

Vee · « **Reply #27 on:** February 22, 2017, 10:46:33 AM »

The cosmic staff is cool and all but if you really want to be top wizard in 500ad you have to get a crimping iron to work without electricity.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #28 on:** February 22, 2017, 02:32:06 PM »

Quote from: Vee on February 22, 2017, 10:46:33 AM

The cosmic staff is cool and all but if you really want to be top wizard in 500ad you have to get a crimping iron to work without electricity.

Like, say, by powering it with the aforementioned staff?

Man, that feeble clash of knights was rather underwhelming.

Also: Sara Lance-a-lot... there's not a dramatic enough eyeroll for that one.

Vee · « **Reply #29 on:** February 22, 2017, 02:46:20 PM »

Quote from: Tenzhi on February 22, 2017, 02:32:06 PM

Also: Sara Lance-a-lot... there's not a dramatic enough eyeroll for that one.

Made all the worse by knowing it was coming from the moment Guinevere showed up. Though seeing as Galahad is Lancelot's son I'm interested to see how they're gonna work that one out.

doc7924 · « **Reply #30 on:** February 22, 2017, 02:57:20 PM »

Not for nothing - but for people with super powers, they really don't use them much.

And smart move leaving Rip alone on his ship, where Gideon responds to his voice commands.

I thought they would at least slap him in the medical bay and try to get Gideon to reverse what Thawne did to him.

Did Star Girl created this Camelot using her part of the spear, or the whole thing before they split it up? Because if it was just the one part, then surely even a piece can alter reality.

Super Firebug · « **Reply #31 on:** February 22, 2017, 08:43:53 PM »

I'm completely tired of Sara's being Captain Jane T. Kirk, with a girl in every port.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #32 on:** March 08, 2017, 09:25:50 PM »

It's kinda odd that Mick continues to be a voice of wisdom.

And I'm not sure I noticed before that the time ship console bears similarities to a TARDIS console, but for some reason I was suddenly struck by it this episode. Probably just senility creeping up, though.

Excidia · « **Reply #33 on:** March 09, 2017, 06:41:49 PM »

Really liked the "Evil me and evil Ray and evil Mick, well I guess that's just regular Mick" line

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doc7924 · « **Reply #34 on:** March 09, 2017, 09:50:11 PM »

Quote from: Excidia on March 09, 2017, 06:41:49 PM

Really liked the "Evil me and evil Ray and evil Mick, well I guess that's just regular Mick" line

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Mick is certainly my favorite guy so far. Vixen is my girl.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #35 on:** March 15, 2017, 07:29:55 PM »

Professor Stein Beetlejuice-ing it up at Mission Control was one of the most awkward moments I've witnessed on television...

doc7924 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 15, 2017, 10:09:42 PM »

Quote from: Tenzhi on March 15, 2017, 07:29:55 PM

Professor Stein Beetlejuice-ing it up at Mission Control was one of the most awkward moments I've witnessed on television...

A genius, physics professor with a high IQ I am sure, and you say 'create a distraction', and that's all he can think of. LOL.

I was really waiting to hear Mick speak in a British accent.

Super Firebug · « **Reply #37 on:** March 16, 2017, 11:12:24 PM »

I wonder about some of the writers on this show. I mean, this long after the Invasion crossover, I'm still amazed that they made the government sniper so inept as to announce his presence by firing his first shot at Ray - the only target IN ARMOR. The Flash could be on him before the second bullet even chambers, and the sniper doesn't take him down first? Were the heroes' powers need-to-know, and the government agents didn't need to know?

Vee · « **Reply #38 on:** March 17, 2017, 12:20:05 AM »

Quote from: doc7924 on March 15, 2017, 10:09:42 PM

A genius, physics professor with a high IQ I am sure, and you say 'create a distraction', and that's all he can think of. LOL.

He could have entertained the NASA people with an explanation of why exactly superspeed wouldn't work in low g. Though I guess 'because Ray said so' wouldn't really distract them for long.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #39 on:** March 17, 2017, 02:31:42 AM »

"Because Thawne didn't want to attract the Time Wraith when he was trapped in a module, but was also trying to hide his true problem" would've invited all sorts of distracting questions, however.

Vee · « **Reply #40 on:** March 17, 2017, 03:49:14 AM »

That would have been a perfectly good explanation. Too bad they didn't go with that one.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #41 on:** March 17, 2017, 04:23:01 AM »

He allegedly briefly vibrated at superspeed and smirked on camera while Ray wasn't looking to illustrate that it was a sham. I must confess that I was playing Marvel Puzzle Quest at the time and personally missed it (which is almost as bad as visually Chipmunk-ing episodes). But the bit about superspeed in zero gravity bugged me enough to question it and subsequently look into it.

Vee · « **Reply #42 on:** March 17, 2017, 04:57:25 AM »

I didn't notice that either with my whole double speed watching thing. But the way ray said it it seemed like it was supposed to be one of their sciency truisms.

Mandu · « **Reply #43 on:** March 18, 2017, 05:16:08 PM »

I noticed something while watching this (thanks to freeze frame) and have no idea if it is an error on the part of the prop department or if it is a clever inserting of a clue about yet another time line change.

Spoiler for Hidden:

Excidia · « **Reply #44 on:** March 22, 2017, 03:39:03 PM »

Tenzhi · « **Reply #45 on:** March 22, 2017, 09:37:28 PM »

So... Rip had a spaceship at his disposal... why didn't he throw all or part of the spear into the sun? It's unlikely to be found, much less retrieved from there.

I get the feeling that the villains will rewrite reality, but Mick's part in that will allow the Legends to persevere.

doc7924 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 23, 2017, 04:18:07 AM »

Quote from: Tenzhi on March 22, 2017, 09:37:28 PM

So... Rip had a spaceship at his disposal... why didn't he throw all or part of the spear into the sun? It's unlikely to be found, much less retrieved from there.

I get the feeling that the villains will rewrite reality, but Mick's part in that will allow the Legends to persevere.

That's just what I thought. Throw it into the sun or deep space or something. I was also a little disappointed Mick betrayed them like that.
But I also agree with you, deep down he wants to be a hero and he helps them.

Vee · « **Reply #47 on:** March 23, 2017, 06:44:00 AM »

Too bad they didn't have a time machine so they could have gone after the blood when it wasn't the middle of a battle.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #48 on:** March 23, 2017, 08:28:30 AM »

Quote from: Vee on March 23, 2017, 06:44:00 AM

Too bad they didn't have a time machine so they could have gone after the blood when it wasn't the middle of a battle.

And miss out on all the lame Tolkien references?

doc7924 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 23, 2017, 01:16:40 PM »

Quote from: Vee on March 23, 2017, 06:44:00 AM

Too bad they didn't have a time machine so they could have gone after the blood when it wasn't the middle of a battle.

But they DO have a time mac....oh, I see what you are saying....

doc7924 · « **Reply #50 on:** March 23, 2017, 02:41:15 PM »

Quote from: Tenzhi on March 23, 2017, 08:28:30 AM

And miss out on all the lame Tolkien references?

Not any lamer then the Lucas ones.

I guess next on the list is probably Rowling or Spielberg.

Vee · « **Reply #51 on:** March 23, 2017, 07:23:18 PM »

Quote from: doc7924 on March 23, 2017, 02:41:15 PM

Not any lamer then the Lucas ones.

I guess next on the list is probably Rowling or Spielberg.

I wish they'd do some stuff that would inspire Shakespeare to write Titus Andronicus or the end of Hamlet.

doc7924 · « **Reply #52 on:** March 23, 2017, 08:54:35 PM »

If they wrap this arc up at the end like last year with Savage, I wonder what will be the hook for next season, if they get one.

Maybe the future Barry stuff, tie it all up.

Vee · « **Reply #53 on:** March 29, 2017, 10:32:29 AM »

That seemed less crappy than their usual. Still crappy, but less so.

doc7924 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 29, 2017, 04:20:04 PM »

Once again our fearless heroes come through again.................not.

I used to like Snart - but that was nasty.

And again - for someone with Super Speed, like Barry, Thawne gets bounced around a lot.

He even says how they are all like in slow motion to him - yet he managed to get clobbered twice. From people without powers.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #55 on:** March 29, 2017, 09:20:15 PM »

If nothing else, the Legion of Doom HQ was cool.

doc7924 · « **Reply #56 on:** March 29, 2017, 09:46:54 PM »

Quote from: Tenzhi on March 29, 2017, 09:20:15 PM

If nothing else, the Legion of Doom HQ was cool.

Yep. A while ago we had the Hall of Justice and now this. Pretty cool.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #57 on:** April 05, 2017, 01:04:24 PM »

Not sure how I feel about that finale - assuming it was the finale. The very end with broken Time was a very comic book moment, though.

doc7924 · « **Reply #58 on:** April 05, 2017, 01:20:20 PM »

Quote from: Tenzhi on April 05, 2017, 01:04:24 PM

Not sure how I feel about that finale - assuming it was the finale. The very end with broken Time was a very comic book moment, though.

I am pretty sure that was done in a DC comic. "Timemasters" maybe. I know the original Crisis had a few issues with all sorts of messed up time zones.

Too bad for Thawne - I liked him as a villain - though with time travel who knows if we have seen to last of him.

And I don't get Rip leaving. He is a Timemaster, an authority on time and time travel. Why leave them without someone with that knowledge and experience?

Agreed they did ok without him but still. And I like Darvill so I hope he isn't gone for good.

Glad Amaya is staying - love her. Of course that causes more time aberations - but what's one more.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #59 on:** April 05, 2017, 01:32:57 PM »

I find myself hoping the broken Time will give us Jonah Hex on a robot horse.

CG · « **Reply #60 on:** April 05, 2017, 02:09:04 PM »

Quote from: doc7924 on April 05, 2017, 01:20:20 PM

And I don't get Rip leaving. He is a Timemaster, an authority on time and time travel. Why leave them without someone with that knowledge and experience?

IIRC, the actor has a gig on another show and they're making room for him to be gone at the start of the season.

doc7924 · « **Reply #61 on:** April 05, 2017, 03:05:53 PM »

Quote from: CG on April 05, 2017, 02:09:04 PM

IIRC, the actor has a gig on another show and they're making room for him to be gone at the start of the season.

Well, yeah. Just saying story wise its kind of an odd move. But I guess they have no choice.

Vee · « **Reply #62 on:** April 05, 2017, 09:31:24 PM »

Haven't watched it yet but I can't begin to describe the elation i felt on finding out it was the season finale.

Also kind of odd that there were two shows with dominic purcell and a resurrected wentworth miller on at 9pm last night.

HalcyonS · « **Reply #63 on:** April 09, 2017, 12:50:26 AM »

Quote from: doc7924 on April 05, 2017, 03:05:53 PM

Well, yeah. Just saying story wise its kind of an odd move. But I guess they have no choice.

I don't know, I agreed with him he was a terrible leader.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #64 on:** April 09, 2017, 02:04:08 AM »

Quote from: HalcyonS on April 09, 2017, 12:50:26 AM

I don't know, I agreed with him he was a terrible leader.

If being terrible is a reason to leave, he should've taken Stein and Atom with him.

doc7924 · « **Reply #65 on:** April 09, 2017, 04:55:11 PM »

Quote from: HalcyonS on April 09, 2017, 12:50:26 AM

I don't know, I agreed with him he was a terrible leader.

Yeah he sucked as a leader. But he was a Time Master. Leaving a time ship in the hands of people with like zero experience in time travel theory and understanding how time works doesn't seem like a good idea. Of course they still have Gideon.

Kaos Arcanna · « **Reply #66 on:** April 09, 2017, 07:21:03 PM »

Quote from: doc7924 on April 09, 2017, 04:55:11 PM

Yeah he sucked as a leader. But he was a Time Master. Leaving a time ship in the hands of people with like zero experience in time travel theory and understanding how time works doesn't seem like a good idea. Of course they still have Gideon.

And Mick spent goodness knows how long as Chronos so he should be up on basic time travel too. (Which they seem to have forgotten about this year in favor of making Mick dumb muscle.)

doc7924 · « **Reply #67 on:** April 10, 2017, 01:40:31 PM »

Quote from: Kaos Arcanna on April 09, 2017, 07:21:03 PM

And Mick spent goodness knows how long as Chronos so he should be up on basic time travel too. (Which they seem to have forgotten about this year in favor of making Mick dumb muscle.)

That's true. I even forgot that. Only mention of it was when he was imagining Snart.

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