Reply from NCSoft

[TimtheEnchanter]

First: "to provide a better game and service in the future, we have made the tough decision to discontinue the game."

Optimism: This might mean a sequel. Pessimism: No game will be better than this one has been, if it isn't a sequel; not to mention the PS devs are already gone.

"Better game and service" is probably referring to B&S.

And if not... if NCsoft is planning a CoH2 on their own... based on their realignment of company focus, it'll end up being a Korean-based PvP-centric superhero game populated by Hentai kiddies.

And yet again, they have a chance to save face and announce a CoH2. They're not. It isn't anything.

[Mentalshock]

Thoughts: If you're putting down a still-healthy and beloved family member, and will not look back upon it with any regret, I question the truth of your love for that family member.

"Oh, I'm sorry kids, I know you loved Grandma as much as we did, but she was getting old, so we've had to put her down.  Don't ask about the why, just know that she is in a better place....."

   Huh... That sounds familiar for some reason....

[Artillerie]

Artillerie,

You can read and write in Korean?

Do you have any idea how much we need that?

NCSoftcore can safely ignore all our slogans, funny pictures and complaints so long as they aren't posted in Korean and put into Korean message boards. Can you translate them and find the places to put 'em?

Then they would begin to understand just how angry they have made us.

I'm sorry, i can do neither - i got the korean text from the Save City of Heroes facebook page.

[Dollhouse]

Just had a look at that FB page and saw their new cover photo:

https://images.weserv.nl/?url=sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-prn1%2F539859_325072697548234_41824329_n.jpg

You'd think they'd at least have the courtesy to make a Zombie Statesman image to include...at least on December 1st.

[blue storm]

I was in shock when I read their reply. So now they are trying to silence us ? Do they have any idea that this will produce exactly the opposite effect and make us more aggressive in our posts ?

I think NCSoft should just go away now... their very existence is starting to get on my nerves !

(ok: I admit I'm pissed off, which happens only once or twice per century !)

[emu265]

It's a very good response to them, direct but civil.  I only wish it was more appropriate to say something like, "I'm just playing nice until the servers go down, you do not yet know what hurtful is."  But maybe later :P  Their reply is... typical.  The same burning-the-puppy type thing as before. 

[eabrace]

I was in shock when I read their reply. So now they are trying to silence us ?

Well, they're trying again, but it didn't work last time, so I don't know why they think it'll work now.

Do they have any idea that this will produce exactly the opposite effect and make us more aggressive in our posts ?

If they were that quick on the uptake, they wouldn't have cancelled the game to begin with.

[emu265]

Well, they're trying again, but it didn't work last time, so I don't know why they think it'll work now.

They might not think it'll work at all.  It's pretty clear that they're all the more threatened by us, given that they've taken the time to blink -er, respond- again.  This time they even asked to play nice.  Hah.

[Turjan]

Just had a look at that FB page and saw their new cover photo:

You'd think they'd at least have the courtesy to make a Zombie Statesman image to include...at least on December 1st.

Zombie Statesman? Now there's a thought...revenant Statesman shuffling along chasing Taek-jin Kim, moaning "brrraaaiiiinnnssss...", bashing through doors and walls, because he is a super zombie after all ;D

Just while I'm here, pondering zombies and all, I'll add that line in their comment about "to provide a better game and service in the future, we have made the tough decision to discontinue the game." is pure BS - if that was a valid reason, then why keep Guild Wars alive? If your future plan was to make GW2, "a better game and service", why not kill GW if you think killing CoH makes for "a better future"?

Nope, they're running scared - note their use of the word "hurtful" btw. To use that word suggests there's hurt at all. Never mind the hurt they've given us, their loyal family members of course...woe betide if we kick up a fuss for the other siblings to hear when we're being suffocated!

Game ON!

[downix]

I wrote an article which is quite relevant here, which I will copy the key segment for you:

Nature abhors a vacuum. If a business were to withhold its services or products, another one would rise up to fill the void left in the market place. That is the nature of the business world, otherwise there would be no competitive advantage to a monopoly, to isolate out new entries into a market. For a business to intentionally seal itself out of the market, in a kind of "do it or else," the market soundly tells them to bugger off and finds a replacement.

Let's use a real world example. At one time, all household and small business computers ran a single operating system. This software dominated the market, virtually no minicomputer or personal computer system made was sold without it. The company making this OS was the must-have-could-not-be-without end-all-be-all. Then, the CEO of this company misbehaved, he did not enable its use on a new machine.

The company was Digital Research, the OS was CP/M, and the machine he did not put his OS onto, the IBM PC. IBM could have waited for DR to get its act together, possibly delaying themselves by months or years. Instead, they picked an upstart, a new company, and handed the keys of the kingdom to them. That company, Microsoft, and it's OS, DOS.

And this happens no matter the size of the market. For launching satellites, Boeing operated the Delta series, with its most popular being the Delta II series, which at the time accounted for half of the launches from the United States. Boeing however wanted to migrate to the new Delta IV series, which had a higher profit margin, so it simply decided to cancel the Delta II and awaited for its customers to come barging through the gate to order flights on the Delta IV. It built a new, high-tech factory capable of producing enough Delta IV to launch one every two weeks in anticipation of this rush to its new launcher.

Instead, a small company in California which was founded by a man known for odd and risky ventures, Elon Musk, named Space Exploration (shortened to SpaceX) announced that they would fill the role vacated by Boeing, for the lightweight, inexpensive launcher. The SpaceX Falcon9 has now had 3 successful launches, and is on schedule for a dozen more next year, replacing the role Delta II once filled. And it is not the only one, another launch company with a successful track record, Orbital Sciences, announced their Antares rocket, which is due to enter service early next year.

As a result, the Delta II's cancellation was un-cancelled in July of this year, but the damage was already done. Customers which had been loyal to it for decades had now fled to its competition, the competition which did not even exist at the time of the announcement. And this is for space launch, not a cheap nor easy field to be in. The list of failed launch companies is huge, with the costs to enter an enormous hurdle. Boeing felt themselves safe due to this up-front cost, and it cost them the entire market instead.

[Rotten Luck]

With NCsoft pulling out of the Superhero MMO market.  Either Champions will boom (not counting Marvel it's play as the Hero you like and not make a hero yourself,) Not sure if DC fits either.   Or if we get Plan Z out the door as fast as we can we could fill the void.

[Moonfyire101]

While not as eloquently stated as you I did reply to that as well attempting to bate them...

I see Statesmen on the banner...does that mean we get to keep CoX?  There is no game better, never will be and the Paragon staff always went out of their way to listen to us and add content we requested. I can't think of another game out there (besides diablo to a limited degree) which has a dev team that listens to their fan base like that. If Statesmen being on your banner is a mistake please don't erase our beloved game. Reconsider. It's not too late. We've shown we are loyal, we've shown we are passionate, we've shown we will do whatever is necessary to save our CoX, what more do you need? We are heroes, we will always be heroes. This is what we do.

[downix]

With NCsoft pulling out of the Superhero MMO market.  Either Champions will boom (not counting Marvel it's play as the Hero you like and not make a hero yourself,) Not sure if DC fits either.   Or if we get Plan Z out the door as fast as we can we could fill the void.

Not necessarily rush it out the door, the Delta II's cancellation was announced in 2005. The Falcon 9 didn't launch until 2009, four year gap. SpaceX has a full launch schedule for years, as does Orbital, despite the gap.

[Quinch]

A question from someone too highly involved in antisocial networking to have ever made a Facebook account - what's the "size" of a comment you can make on the NCsoft page?

[TimtheEnchanter]

Does NCsoft have a public page anywhere for fanart submissions?

[Turjan]

They REALLY have NO IDEA what they've started by using those specific words there, do they?

But we do...

https://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o714/MMOKiller/NCSoft%20the%20MMOKiller/FamilyKiller_zps0c9f334d.jpg

[BryanSnowden]

"We are heroes.
This is what we do!
You will hear our voice!
We're not going to stop!
Save our city of heroes!!"

That's a negative and hurtful comment?  8)

Well, its negative in that its not what they want to hear = aka -> cheers for their (wushu+T&A) 'B.S.' game.
And - I'm hesitant to do this but to best describe it - I guess if I were judging, I'd have to call it "Butt-hurtful".
Yes, I went there = my day (so far) has been full 'stuff' that irks me in one way or another.
Actually several "anothers", so - you'll just have to pardon me on this one.  :roll: 

[Quinch]

They REALLY have NO IDEA what they've started by using those specific words there, do they?

But we do...

https://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o714/MMOKiller/NCSoft%20the%20MMOKiller/FamilyKiller_zps0c9f334d.jpg

I have a mental image of the crime show plots where a family member conveniently dies right after someone takes out an insurance policy. Think it's something that can be worked with?

[Moonfyire101]

They REALLY have NO IDEA what they've started by using those specific words there, do they?

But we do...

https://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o714/MMOKiller/NCSoft%20the%20MMOKiller/FamilyKiller_zps0c9f334d.jpg

YES!!!

[Horror-Frost]

Hey team, Tom Delfi here. I may not be writing as articulatly or politely as I was in the begining, but we got the sorry bastards shaking. Keep on the rage and lay it thick so they choke on it.