DC's Legends of Tomorrow.

doc7924 · January 23, 2016, 07:53:02 PM

Quote from: Vee on January 22, 2016, 09:45:00 PM
I don't want to live in a multiverse where the green lantern movie is acknowledged.

Hey. That film is not that bad. It's bad, but not horrible.

doc7924 · January 23, 2016, 07:54:12 PM

Quote from: Tenzhi on January 22, 2016, 10:53:18 PM
When Chronos first showed up, I got confused and thought it was Death's Head.

I know there was a Chronos character in the comics - but I don't think he was a bounty hunter.

Vee · January 23, 2016, 09:07:03 PM

Quote from: doc7924 on January 23, 2016, 07:53:02 PM
Hey. That film is not that bad. It's bad, but not horrible.

Would have just been bad. Ryan Reynolds elevated it.

doc7924 · January 24, 2016, 01:30:15 AM

Quote from: Vee on January 23, 2016, 09:07:03 PM
Would have just been bad. Ryan Reynolds elevated it.

The one thing I liked was them showing how easy it should be for someone to see through a mask.

CG · January 25, 2016, 05:03:33 PM

Finally got to watch the pilot. Heat Wave was hilarious! He had all the best lines!

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Tenzhi · January 25, 2016, 05:20:50 PM

Rip Hunter all but outright said that was the case when he remarked on how time itself would occasionally be their adversary as it wants to unfold the way it's supposed to or something.

Mandu · January 26, 2016, 03:41:44 AM

Well, I suppose Rory would know about fixed points.

eabrace · January 29, 2016, 02:09:50 AM

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The one liners keep on rolling, too. So, so many laughs.

doc7924 · January 29, 2016, 03:53:50 AM

They can't get there time travel theories consistent.

In this Ror..er Rip says that it takes time for the changes in the past to catch up to the future, yet in the Flash when Eddie kills himself Thawne immediately fades from existence.

Also if Stein changed his past enough so he never met his wife and the ring disappeared, then how did he still remember? And then shouldn't he have also remembered meeting three people who stole his tracker and then visited a space ship in 1975?

I like what they are doing so far, but they need to be more consistent in their time travel stuff.

Vee · January 29, 2016, 02:42:13 PM

Did I nod off and miss when they said why they can't have just hid in the bushes until after one of the 206 times Savage has killed the hawks? It's one thing for them to say they can't interfere in events they participated in, but it does seem like they could at least follow him from one of the times where they know where he is.

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saipaman · January 29, 2016, 04:38:51 PM

Quote from: doc7924 on January 29, 2016, 03:53:50 AM
They can't get there time travel theories consistent.

In this Ror..er Rip says that it takes time for the changes in the past to catch up to the future, yet in the Flash when Eddie kills himself Thawne immediately fades from existence.

Also if Stein changed his past enough so he never met his wife and the ring disappeared, then how did he still remember? And then shouldn't he have also remembered meeting three people who stole his tracker and then visited a space ship in 1975?

I like what they are doing so far, but they need to be more consistent in their time travel stuff.

Those two events aren't the same time.

Only one of those events involves time travel. Unless I missed something, Eddie kills himself in his own "present time".

Tenzhi · February 05, 2016, 01:25:11 PM

"I've seen men of steel die and dark knights fall..."

Nice one.

Battlechimp · February 06, 2016, 12:05:42 AM

Watching this show, starting with the first episode but especially this last episode and what happens with Snart trying to change his past, really makes me think that the writers of this show were huge fans of the Feng Shui RPG. How time travel works is very similar to how it works in that game.

In the game it describes time like a large river, it wants to flow in a certain course. You can throw rocks and boulders in it and it will cause ripples and slight changes, but time will flow around it. Ie things you do to change the past might create small ripples or change details, but overall things remain the same. In Snart's case this last episode, he tried to change what happened with his father. He stopped what originally sent him to jail, but he did eventually go to jail anyways, just for a different reason. Details changed, but not the overall outcome. It requires a great amount of effort and power to change the course of the river

And then in the game,, which admittedly this is a trope that a lot of time travel stories take. Once you've time traveled,or are the one making the changes to the time stream, you' yourself, are unaffected by the changes to time. The exposure t time travel is effectively super glue for who you are. To use what Stein did as an example, he changes his past so he ended up not meeting his future wife. His ring disappeared so his life around him had changed, but he himself was not altered because he was the one who affected the change. So he was aware that things were changing in his timeline, but he, himself, and his memories of his original timeline were still there. This is also how a time traveller can be aware of someone trying to chañge their past. Things change around them, but because of their own time traveling their "self" is fixed (or at least the changes take longer to actually change who they are, you know, for Drama!) they then notice that things are changing.

doc7924 · February 06, 2016, 04:15:13 AM

Quote from: Battlechimp on February 06, 2016, 12:05:42 AM
Watching this show, starting with the first episode but especially this last episode and what happens with Snart trying to change his past, really makes me think that the writers of this show were huge fans of the Feng Shui RPG. How time travel works is very similar to how it works in that game.

In the game it describes time like a large river, it wants to flow in a certain course. You can throw rocks and boulders in it and it will cause ripples and slight changes, but time will flow around it. Ie things you do to change the past might create small ripples or change details, but overall things remain the same. In Snart's case this last episode, he tried to change what happened with his father. He stopped what originally sent him to jail, but he did eventually go to jail anyways, just for a different reason. Details changed, but not the overall outcome. It requires a great amount of effort and power to change the course of the river

And then in the game,, which admittedly this is a trope that a lot of time travel stories take. Once you've time traveled,or are the one making the changes to the time stream, you' yourself, are unaffected by the changes to time. The exposure t time travel is effectively super glue for who you are. To use what Stein did as an example, he changes his past so he ended up not meeting his future wife. His ring disappeared so his life around him had changed, but he himself was not altered because he was the one who affected the change. So he was aware that things were changing in his timeline, but he, himself, and his memories of his original timeline were still there. This is also how a time traveller can be aware of someone trying to chañge their past. Things change around them, but because of their own time traveling their "self" is fixed (or at least the changes take longer to actually change who they are, you know, for Drama!) they then notice that things are changing.

A lot of time travel in books and other media works that way.

There was a book about a time travel agency and it worked that if you messed up your past, you were not affected as long as you did not go back to your proper time, when it would 'catch up' to you and you would be affected by the change.

In Stein's case that could be what would have happened had they not fixed it, or another common theme is the traveler remembers BOTH timelines, old and new, like that one new Outer Limits where the lady kept going back in time to kill convicted rapists and kept changing history, and she was the only one that remembered all the different timelines.

CG · February 08, 2016, 05:55:31 PM

Ok, that last episode made no sense...

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doc7924 · February 09, 2016, 10:21:42 PM

Quote from: CG on February 08, 2016, 05:55:31 PM
Ok, that last episode made no sense...
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They killed Vandal Savage. I know, they didn't kill him the right way to keep him dead, but presumably he was a little bit dead and they could have taken him with them when they escaped. They were able to get Carter out of there. I'm sure if they have left Carter to take Vandal, Hawkgirl would have been fine with that. She can shiv him when she wakes up.

There's lots I can forgive them for their weird time travel rules, but they have their enemy defeated. Capture him, take the dagger (of go find it if they need to) and series over. Yay!

Made no sense.

Never even occurred to me. You are right. He wouldn't have put up much of a fight. Though as you say - series over. So they can't make it that easy.

Vee · February 09, 2016, 10:40:15 PM

I've been reading some mid-90s Justice League stuff with Vandal Savage that deals with his database of all his offspring that he uses as an organ farm. That'd make a fun episode or 3.

Nos482 · February 12, 2016, 01:29:57 AM

"Did you just quote Top Gun?"
"Maybe."
;D

Vee · February 13, 2016, 05:37:29 AM

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eabrace · February 13, 2016, 05:12:51 PM

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... Hawkgirl ... foul.

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DC's Legends of Tomorrow.

Mandu