DC's Legends of Tomorrow.

[hurple]

Spoiler for Hidden:

I'm hopeful that Mick is still alive. Ironically enough Heat Wave was one of Flash's Rogues Gallery who went straight in the 70s/80s.

Hasn't pretty much every member of Flash's rogues gone straight at some point or other?

[hurple]

Spoiler for Hidden:

Heat Wave is my favourite character on the show.  I hope he's not off the island.

He's also asking valid questions: why is Cold taking up the banner against Savage? 

For a Time "Master", Rip doesn't seem to look at the consequences of his actions.  Calling Heat Wave stupid and telling him he's a barnacle on Cold's ass isn't a good idea when you're locked in prison together.  I would think that a Time Master would be like a chess master with regards to real life events and consequences; thinking 15 moves ahead.

Frankly, Heat Wave is about the only character of the three (Rip, Snart, Rory) that is consistent and believable in his characterization.

Sometimes I wonder why I keep watching.

Yes, the writing of Rip has been... questionable.  Seems like he'd be more, um, intelligent, than they're portraying him.

[saipaman]

Maybe Rip really isn't a Time Master at all.  For all we know, he went rogue on his first day of training.

[Tenzhi]

Seems to me like he's rather understandably desperate and overwrought with emotion, barely keeping it together to pursue his vendetta/rescue mission that he started out of that desperation rather than it being rooted in some meticulously crafted plan.

Also, I suspect that one or more of the time council will turn out to be Savage's fanatic followers who have been subtly trying to manipulate events against Rip Hunter for some time. 

[hurple]

And what episode are we on now... And not one chalkboard covered with cryptic notes foretelling future events.

Harumph!

[Nos482]

Spoiler for Hidden:

He's also asking valid questions: why is Cold taking up the banner against Savage?

I'd say, because he was told that he'll be a footnote in history and tries to change that by killing Savage.

[Kaos Arcanna]

I'd say, because he was told that he'll be a footnote in history and tries to change that by killing Savage.

I'm thinking it's totally about the White Canary. Can't say I blame him either. :D

[CG]

I'm thinking it's totally about the White Canary. Can't say I blame him either. :D

I never got the impression he cared about being famous, just rich.

White Canary might be a reason, but Cold doesn't seem like he falls for the ladies that quickly.

[Tenzhi]

Cold seems to me like he has wanted to be inspired to heroism since his first run-in with the Flash.  Or at the very least to be a better person. 

[eabrace]

I just like the way "Rip, Snart, Rory" sounds when you put them together.

[Dev7on]

I'm starting to not like Legends of Tomorrow. It's getting boring and every episode Rip's plans always doesn't go the way he planned. Rip is starting to get very reckless. He lost Hawkman now Heat Wave. I'm agreeing with CG sometimes I question why I'm still watching the show too.

[Vee]

Hawkgirl's totally emptying ray's bank accounts when they get back.

[saipaman]

I'm sure he had money to burn.

[tripthicket]

Starting to also dislike this show, mostly for the writing. Way too many characters, with no idea whatsoever on what to do with them. I recently watched the 2 halves of Firestorm stand there, an arms-length away from each other, in the middle of a group of pirates -- they did nothing except ask for instructions from Rip. In the same episode, Rip is frustrated that he doesn't know where to find Savage now, while he's standing in a time-ship and has been to at least 2 times & places where he does know that Savage can be found. I've begun rolling my eyes at almost everything Rip says or does; I don't think I'm the target audience for what they're wanting to do with the show. I do believe I'm done with it.

[Tenzhi]

I'm more accepting than most, and even I am getting a bit fed up with Rip's apparent incompetence.  Initially, he seemed to have a direction, at least, even if there was friction and failure - but now he's completely just bumbling about. 

[Vee]

None of these issues strike me as any more egregious in LoT than in, y'know, every DC tv show not done by Bruce Timm all the way back to Superfriends.

[Tenzhi]

I disagree.  Most of them make apparent - albeit not necessarily logical - progress towards their goals.  Especially since many of them were almost purely episodic and had to reach those goals in that short time.  Smallville is the only one I recall that irked me more with wheel-spinning.

[Vee]

i think that's due to them having one goal on LoT that if they were being at all internally consistent they could have reached in ep 3 at the latest :D

i was referring more to things like inconsistent characterizations, forgetting powers, incompetence, irrational behavior, plot holes than just the show's going nowhere.

[hurple]

True.  This show smells of originally being a mini-series stretched out over more episodes.

I'm thinking the initial buzz was so strong, the network upped their episode request.  Wasn't this originally meant as a 4-week fill-in during a Flash/Arrow break (ala as Agent Carter to S.H.I.E.L.D)?

[Battlechimp]

I'm just hoping for Rip to go "We need to replace the people we've lost.  So I've collected these two.  Let me introduced Booster Gold and Blue Beetle"

And then wacky hijinks ensue