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Title: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: FatherXmas on May 14, 2015, 06:58:26 PM
The Flash/Arrow spinoff on CW next year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXmSz2HQF-8

Please oh please have at least one crack about a phone box.

Edited to update youtube link.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: ricodah on May 14, 2015, 07:15:15 PM
Welcome back, Caity Lotz!
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on May 14, 2015, 08:45:31 PM
Yay Vandal Savage
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Super Firebug on May 14, 2015, 11:01:53 PM
It looks great, and I'll definitely be watching; it's by the same folks who bring us The Flash and Arrow, and they haven't let us down yet. (Although I'm not keen on Jimmy Olsen being portrayed as personable and self-assured on Supergirl; the other young guy in the trailer acts more like the Jimmy that I'm familiar with.) But I hope that Ray gets to the point where he's no longer coming across as the semi-goofy billionaire who's being a hero because he can afford to. He's too much like Clark Kent, in the Christopher Reeve Superman movies, with money and a genius IQ.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Battlechimp on May 15, 2015, 12:31:56 PM
Welcome back, Caity Lotz!

I have to say, even just from those few short clips of her kicking and using the staff.  You can tell the actress is so much better at the physical aspects of staged fighting than the actress that plays Laurel on Arrow
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 15, 2015, 01:43:32 PM
I still don't get why he is called the Atom if he doesn't shrink.

And yes I know the GA Atom didn't shrink but he got the name from being very short. Palmer is not short.

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: AmberOfDzu on May 15, 2015, 02:21:24 PM
I still don't get why he is called the Atom if he doesn't shrink.
Watch the video from this point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MubNoWQiSc&t=210

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: CG on May 15, 2015, 02:42:54 PM
I am unsure how it will work with Stein on the show, but not Ronnie.

I'm curious about when exactly Sarah was put into the Lazarus pit.  I hope they didn't dig her up after she'd been buried for 6 months... :( 
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: hurple on May 15, 2015, 05:45:53 PM
I have to say, even just from those few short clips of her kicking and using the staff.  You can tell the actress is so much better at the physical aspects of staged fighting than the actress that plays Laurel on Arrow

ABSOLUTELY!
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: hurple on May 15, 2015, 05:47:08 PM
I am unsure how it will work with Stein on the show, but not Ronnie.

I'm curious about when exactly Sarah was put into the Lazarus pit.  I hope they didn't dig her up after she'd been buried for 6 months... :(

And how mad is her father going to be after they hid from him that she was dead for months, only for her to be alive, and for them to hide that too?

OK, now my head is starting to hurt.

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on May 15, 2015, 06:43:42 PM
 So Rory is a time traveller again...

Yes, that is all I got from that trailer.  I did not squee one bit, and you can't prove otherwise.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 15, 2015, 06:53:47 PM
So Rory is a time traveller again...

Yes, that is all I got from that trailer.  I did not squee one bit, and you can't prove otherwise.

Doctor Who typecasting strikes again!

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 15, 2015, 06:55:33 PM
Watch the video from this point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MubNoWQiSc&t=210

Very cool. I sand corrected.

I didn't see the trailer - just made the assumption from his Flash appearance.

I wonder if he will get any Ant Man jokes like the old SNL sketch from years and years and years ago.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on May 16, 2015, 10:53:10 AM
Cold: "Why did you say that?"
 ;D ;D ;D

Do want.

Also, Shayera... I hope her personality will be close to the JLU version of Hawkgirl.

Edit: See if you can find someone familiar at around 1:15 ;)
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on May 16, 2015, 11:52:37 AM
Man, I had to watch that a couple of times and then pause it to catch who you were talking about...

But then I caught myself wondering if that bit wasn't just reused footage from that  cage match promo they did.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Abraxus on May 16, 2015, 04:08:50 PM
I am looking forward to this, and any comic series that they can get off the ground!  They might not all be stellar, but so far, they have all been entertaining.  The DC folks have apparently taken a page from Marvel's book, and begun tying their story lines together so that the all recognize the existence of the other, and things that go on in one (or the connected movie) have consequences in the rest.

It is a good time to be a comic fan!
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on May 16, 2015, 04:29:28 PM
But then I caught myself wondering if that bit wasn't just reused footage from that  cage match promo they did.
It is... so, probably no Reverse Flash on LoT :(
Didn't know about the cage match and just googled and watched it.
In case anyone else hasn't seen the promo so far, click here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=173&v=8XE_jH2eQl4).

Also, I got thinking... if Hunter's organization is there to protect the timeline, why didn't they go after Thawne when he travelled back in time and pretty much rewrote history?
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: CG on May 16, 2015, 06:13:11 PM
Thawne didn't rewrite history, he just shifted events forwards. It seems like time is a little flexible and can absorb some adjustments and will stay on course.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 17, 2015, 12:37:35 AM
Thawne didn't rewrite history, he just shifted events forwards. It seems like time is a little flexible and can absorb some adjustments and will stay on course.

He must have some sort of contact with the future though, maybe through Gideon.
Otherwise how he could he tell if his future was changed or not.

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: CG on May 17, 2015, 12:53:27 AM
He must have some sort of contact with the future though, maybe through Gideon.
Otherwise how he could he tell if his future was changed or not.
It remains to be seen how exactly Gideon works.  It's possible that as a relic of the future, it changes with changes to the timeline based on the present.  Somehow Thawne seems to be protected from this, or he exists regardless?  When Barry lost his powers and there was no record of the Flash in the future newspaper, shouldn't Thawne have ceased to exist since the future timeline was altered?

We can't really do anything other than speculate at this point until we get more information.  Hopefully the writers have thought all this through so that a repeat viewing of Season 1 will all make sense still.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Super Firebug on May 17, 2015, 02:02:32 AM
It remains to be seen how exactly Gideon works.  It's possible that as a relic of the future, it changes with changes to the timeline based on the present.  Somehow Thawne seems to be protected from this, or he exists regardless?  When Barry lost his powers and there was no record of the Flash in the future newspaper, shouldn't Thawne have ceased to exist since the future timeline was altered?

We can't really do anything other than speculate at this point until we get more information.  Hopefully the writers have thought all this through so that a repeat viewing of Season 1 will all make sense still.
Cisco referred to the Gideon room as the time vault, and, when they were tracking it down, his detector picked up a lot of tachyon activity there. My guess: the room is somehow time-shielded, protecting Gideon's knowledge of the future and allowing her/it to project what future the current events would lead to.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on May 17, 2015, 04:54:31 AM
I think T. O. Morrow should show up in this... just because.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 17, 2015, 09:28:23 PM
It remains to be seen how exactly Gideon works.  It's possible that as a relic of the future, it changes with changes to the timeline based on the present.  Somehow Thawne seems to be protected from this, or he exists regardless?  When Barry lost his powers and there was no record of the Flash in the future newspaper, shouldn't Thawne have ceased to exist since the future timeline was altered?

We can't really do anything other than speculate at this point until we get more information.  Hopefully the writers have thought all this through so that a repeat viewing of Season 1 will all make sense still.

In the comics RF only existed because of Barry Allen's Speed Force so he could never kill him or change his past as that would stop him from existing as the RF.

In the Flashpoint story - the Reverse Flash had become an anomaly, existing outside of time or something. So it didn't matter anymore what he did in the past as HE could no longer be affected. So he could kill Barry or mess with his history and he would still exist.

Maybe the same happened to Thawne.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Felderburg on May 27, 2015, 09:27:03 PM
Also, Shayera... I hope her personality will be close to the JLU version of Hawkgirl.

Based on the casting... probably not? Kendra Saunders with incarnation issues is who she is.

Cisco referred to the Gideon room as the time vault, and, when they were tracking it down, his detector picked up a lot of tachyon activity there. My guess: the room is somehow time-shielded, protecting Gideon's knowledge of the future and allowing her/it to project what future the current events would lead to.

SPOILERS BELOW

But Gideon was with Thawne when he killed Barry's mom... which doesn't invalidate your theory, but she would have had to be put in there after it was time-shielded, so... I don't know where I'm going with that. I'm concerned that her knowledge could have been compromised before she got time-shielded.

He must have some sort of contact with the future though

This is true - he referenced Rip Hunter as the guy that built the first Time Sphere.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Super Firebug on June 07, 2015, 05:53:38 PM
Rewatching the trailer, I've realized that we see effectively nothing of Heatwave, outside of the footage from the fight-club promo. Since Robbie Amell hasn't been announced as being on the show, I'm wondering if they have a way for Heatwave to become the other half of Firestorm in Ronnie's place. Given his reaction to Firestorm in the fight-club video, I'd imagine that he'd jump at the chance.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Super Firebug on June 15, 2015, 06:15:24 AM
Also, I am really, REALLY amped about the fact that the CG technology's advanced to the point where they can now do a live-action Hawkgirl. I can't wait to get a better look at that.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Lightslinger on June 23, 2015, 03:00:11 AM
Super hyped for this show, can't wait.

And I think the reason R. Amell isn't a regular, Firestorm is just too powerful. He's a flying, nuclear, flame throwing guy who can also transmutate stuff, going to be hard to write credible threats if they have him around all the time.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Super Firebug on June 26, 2015, 04:34:25 AM
"Rip Hunter. I'm from east London...oh, and the future."
You kind of buried the lead, there, pal.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Battlechimp on June 26, 2015, 10:43:07 PM
It was Rip Hunter that really sold me on this show.  Its Rory Williams as a time traveling hero!  Think of all the possible Doctor Who/superhero cross overs that could be done!

Doctor: Rory, I'm going to need to drop you off for a bit in America.  There are these.. people... meta human people that I heed you to keep an eye on and get them focused on a common goal.

Rory: Well why me?  What sort of goal, what do I need to get them to do and where will you be?

Doctor: they need to work together and I need someone there to make sure they make they leap off the perverbial cliff when the time comes.

Rory: how am I supposed to get them to jump off a cliff.  And you still haven,t said where you'll be.

Doctor: its a metaphorical cliff, Rory, try to keep up. 

Rory: and what am I supposed to do, just walk up to them and go, Hello, I'm Rory Williams from east London... ?

Doctor: well yes... no..I suppose you could use a better name, something tough sounding that will demand respect.  Like Rip. That makes you sound tough, that you could rip things...

Rory: Rip?  Who calls anyone Rip?

Doctor:  yeah, Rip... Rip Hunter that will make you seem all... huntery. That's cool right?

Rory: that's the silliest name I've ever heard of....

Doctor: and say you're from the future... they'll Iike that, being from the future is always cool..... maybe you should wear a bowtie

Rory: you still haven't told me where you'll be..

Doctor:  I'll be the one setting up the cliff.

Now that'd be something I'd want to watch. :)
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: FatherXmas on November 24, 2015, 07:14:56 AM
Latest trailer is up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7LlmaFg0lw

Looks fun.  Rory Rick has a sweet ride.

Looks like the setup for it starts on Dec 1st.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwo3dKEkRL0
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: CG on November 24, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
So, I didn't think Hawkman would be as big a part of LoT as the trailer seems to imply (that is, I didn't expect him there at all).

It's nice to see Ray's Atom suit working well as opposed to last year's "working out the bugs".

I hope Firestorm's comment is because he's going to do some matter manipulation in addition to just fireballs.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: hurple on November 24, 2015, 03:22:06 PM
So, I didn't think Hawkman would be as big a part of LoT as the trailer seems to imply (that is, I didn't expect him there at all).

It's nice to see Ray's Atom suit working well as opposed to last year's "working out the bugs".

I hope Firestorm's comment is because he's going to do some matter manipulation in addition to just fireballs.

Between this and Agent Carter (on the Marvel side) we're gonna have some awesome comic geeky TV this winter.  YES YES YES!  Fangasm!

But this Hawkman still looks a bit silly.  They'll never get a live action version to look as awesome cool as he does in the books, I guess.  Love how the wings actually work now, though.  The whole "fake wings" thing was always stupid.  Sure, he can strap them on, but once on they should "meld" with his body and work like actual wings.  Wonder if the new TV version will be just a guy with weapons or if they'll add the powers the comic version seems to have gained over the past decade (Hawk-like senses and faster reflexes and a healing factor which was strong enough for him to return from "dead" and grow a new arm in the Stormwatch comic)


Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on November 24, 2015, 06:24:44 PM
Between this and Agent Carter (on the Marvel side) we're gonna have some awesome comic geeky TV this winter.  YES YES YES!  Fangasm!

But this Hawkman still looks a bit silly.  They'll never get a live action version to look as awesome cool as he does in the books, I guess.  Love how the wings actually work now, though.  The whole "fake wings" thing was always stupid.  Sure, he can strap them on, but once on they should "meld" with his body and work like actual wings.  Wonder if the new TV version will be just a guy with weapons or if they'll add the powers the comic version seems to have gained over the past decade (Hawk-like senses and faster reflexes and a healing factor which was strong enough for him to return from "dead" and grow a new arm in the Stormwatch comic)

I thought the Hawkman they did in Smallville wasn't bad. I liked he had the same pissed off attitude as Batman.

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: hurple on November 24, 2015, 08:51:27 PM
I thought the Hawkman they did in Smallville wasn't bad. I liked he had the same pissed off attitude as Batman.

He wasn't bad, but the chestplate looked about two sizes too big and the static wings looked silly.  I mean big fake wings strapped to a guy's back are always going to look like big fake wings strapped to a guy's back, no matter what they do. 

I like how they look to be working around that this time.

Although, I will give kudos to Smallville... Dr Fate, Stargirl and Booster Gold were all AWESOME! 
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on November 25, 2015, 04:14:43 PM
He wasn't bad, but the chestplate looked about two sizes too big and the static wings looked silly.  I mean big fake wings strapped to a guy's back are always going to look like big fake wings strapped to a guy's back, no matter what they do. 

I like how they look to be working around that this time.

Although, I will give kudos to Smallville... Dr Fate, Stargirl and Booster Gold were all AWESOME!

I never really liked Smallville but I did catch those episodes with the JSA and the ones with the Legion.

The cost would probably be too high for sets and effects to do a proper Legion live show, but I bet if CW did it would be awesome.

When does this Legends actually start anyway?
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Super Firebug on November 25, 2015, 05:18:17 PM
At the end of the most-recent trailer, the date given is Thursday, January 21st. So, we'll have The Flash on Tuesday, Arrow on Wednesday, and Legends of Tomorrow on Thursday. Add Gotham, Supergirl, and Agents of SHIELD into that, plus those that are streaming-only, and it's a great time to be a comic-book-hero fan.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on November 25, 2015, 06:21:32 PM
At the end of the most-recent trailer, the date given is Thursday, January 21st. So, we'll have The Flash on Tuesday, Arrow on Wednesday, and Legends of Tomorrow[p/i] on Thursday. Add Gotham, Supergirl, and Agents of SHIELD into that, plus those that are streaming-only, and it's a great time to be a comic-book-hero fan.

And don't forget Agent Carter coming back!

The only other good super hero  time was in the late 70's when you had the Hulk and Wonder Woman. Maybe the Spider-Man but that didn't last long.
And I wont count those Captain America travesties. Though I did get the DVD with both of them for like $3, just to have them.
The only other good one was the Doctor Strange TV movie/pilot and that didn't get a series.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: hurple on November 25, 2015, 08:38:54 PM
And don't forget Agent Carter coming back!

The only other good super hero  time was in the late 70's when you had the Hulk and Wonder Woman. Maybe the Spider-Man but that didn't last long.
And I wont count those Captain America travesties. Though I did get the DVD with both of them for like $3, just to have them.
The only other good one was the Doctor Strange TV movie/pilot and that didn't get a series.

Ever see the first Captain America movie?  The one so bad it was dumped straight to home video and never in theaters? 

It had a few decent moments, like right after he's thawed, some FBI (or CIA or whatever) agents are transporting him... in a Volkswagen, and he goes ape-$h!t bonkers on them thinking they're nazis... Ha Ha Ha!

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on November 25, 2015, 10:16:56 PM
Ever see the first Captain America movie?  The one so bad it was dumped straight to home video and never in theaters? 

It had a few decent moments, like right after he's thawed, some FBI (or CIA or whatever) agents are transporting him... in a Volkswagen, and he goes ape-$h!t bonkers on them thinking they're nazis... Ha Ha Ha!

I had the laserdisc for the 1990 film and now have the special Blu Ray with a special documentary on it. All I can say is that the fight scenes were good. And they made the comic book costume not look stupid. on screen. Other than that......

I am just a huge Cap fan, which is why I own even the crappy stuff. Like the movie serial.

 
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Super Firebug on November 26, 2015, 05:16:10 AM
[snip] Maybe the Spider-Man but that didn't last long.[/snip]

I remember that series, with Nicholas Hammond. As I recall it, they gave it a pretty good effort, and their hearts were in the right place as regards respecting the source material. But the special-effects technology wasn't nearly up to the task, yet. (For the curious, type the words "spiderman" and "hammond" into YouTube's search, and they have the hour-and-a-half-long pilot episode.)
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on November 26, 2015, 10:32:16 AM
I remember that series, with Nicholas Hammond. As I recall it, they gave it a pretty good effort, and their hearts were in the right place as regards respecting the source material. But the special-effects technology wasn't nearly up to the task, yet. (For the curious, type the words "spiderman" and "hammond" into YouTube's search, and they have the hour-and-a-half-long pilot episode.)

The only successful TV Marvel had was the Hulk. DC at least had Superman in the 50's, Batman in the 60's and Wonder Woman in the 70's.

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on November 26, 2015, 12:04:45 PM
And Superman again in the 90s, with Lois & Clark.  It's too bad the 80s Flash didn't make it more than a season, though.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on November 26, 2015, 02:06:21 PM
And Superman again in the 90s, with Lois & Clark.  It's too bad the 80s Flash didn't make it more than a season, though.

Forgot about those two. So really they had one decent show every decade.

I liked the Flash. Was a shame it didn't get picked up another season. Glad to see the new Flash people are fans with their casting and using characters like Tina and Trickster, and other little callbacks.

Still waiting for a 'Julio' cameo or mention.



Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Felderburg on November 27, 2015, 11:48:30 PM
I'm digging Firestorm's uniform in that trailer, btw.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: FatherXmas on December 03, 2015, 05:03:04 PM
And Superman again in the 90s, with Lois & Clark.  It's too bad the 80s Flash didn't make it more than a season, though.

I noticed on the CW's side site that they have the 1990's Flash series.

http://cwseed.com/shows/the-flash-classic/
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on December 03, 2015, 06:17:57 PM
Speaking of 1990s series I just learned yesterday that there was a short-lived Human Target series in 1992 where Christopher Chance actually disguised himself as the target like in the comics. It starred none other than Rick Springfield. No word on whether he successfully disguised himself as Jessie.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: FatherXmas on December 04, 2015, 10:24:30 AM
Well considering the last Arrow had a reference about Avengers 2 (see gifs below), I wouldn't put it past them to include a Doctor Who joke or two.  I'm betting on "thought it would be bigger on the inside".

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/vwobefhns75nkcp3mav1.gif)

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/e8gwoyur9zggkntfdrne.gif)
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: eabrace on December 04, 2015, 11:24:50 PM
I love the heaping mounds of snark, sarcasm, and self-deprecation in these crossover episodes.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on January 22, 2016, 04:16:59 AM
I love the heaping mounds of snark, sarcasm, and self-deprecation in these crossover episodes.

I enjoyed that. Loved the name dropping like Per Degaton and calling the ship 'Waverider'.
And Rory finally gets to be the Doctor. Good for him.

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Super Firebug on January 22, 2016, 05:29:26 AM
My newest addition to my list of favorite TV lines:
"We go out for one lousy drink, and you guys somehow manage to pick a fight with Boba Fett!"

(edited for exact wording)
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on January 22, 2016, 07:09:16 AM
And they finally figured out a way to make Firestorm even more rapey.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on January 22, 2016, 10:00:38 AM
Somehow i got the idea that Flash and Green Arrow would be part of the team... must've been the trailer. :roll:
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on January 22, 2016, 01:59:58 PM
Somehow i got the idea that Flash and Green Arrow would be part of the team... must've been the trailer. :roll:

A misleading trailer - never happens.

I'm sure we will have a crossover soon.

DC may not know how to do movies well but they are knocking it out of the park with these series. (Flash, Legends)
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: hurple on January 22, 2016, 03:54:12 PM
A misleading trailer - never happens.

I'm sure we will have a crossover soon.

DC may not know how to do movies well but they are knocking it out of the park with these series. (Flash, Legends)

Absolutely. 

(sarcasm) Wouldn't it just suck if they were to use the TV show successes to launch their movies instead of keeping them separate?  (/sarcasm)

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on January 22, 2016, 04:40:28 PM
Absolutely. 

(sarcasm) Wouldn't it just suck if they were to use the TV show successes to launch their movies instead of keeping them separate?  (/sarcasm)

Yep. Because the Flash film has nothing to do with the TV series.

Though I would like to see them expand the Multiverse and say all the versions of Batman, Superman, etc either from Smallville or films or Gotham, and the upcoming JLA film, are all part of it and exist.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: hurple on January 22, 2016, 09:27:49 PM
Yep. Because the Flash film has nothing to do with the TV series.

Though I would like to see them expand the Multiverse and say all the versions of Batman, Superman, etc either from Smallville or films or Gotham, and the upcoming JLA film, are all part of it and exist.

You mean something like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MlgN9aD_po (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MlgN9aD_po)
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on January 22, 2016, 09:38:41 PM
You mean something like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MlgN9aD_po (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MlgN9aD_po)

Yep
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on January 22, 2016, 09:45:00 PM
Yep

I don't want to live in a multiverse where the green lantern movie is acknowledged.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on January 22, 2016, 10:53:18 PM
When Chronos first showed up, I got confused and thought it was Death's Head.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on January 23, 2016, 09:12:03 AM
Just watched the pilot of the 1992 Human Target series i mentioned above. Pretty much what you'd expect from a short-lived early '90s series. The only highlights were one of Chance's crew being played by the late Clarence Clemons and a kid baseball player being played by a very young Rachel Bilson.

Clarence's presence means it definitely merits a visit from Rip and the gang as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on January 23, 2016, 07:53:02 PM
I don't want to live in a multiverse where the green lantern movie is acknowledged.

Hey. That film is not that bad. It's bad, but not horrible.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on January 23, 2016, 07:54:12 PM
When Chronos first showed up, I got confused and thought it was Death's Head.

I know there was a Chronos character in the comics - but I don't think he was a bounty hunter.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on January 23, 2016, 09:07:03 PM
Hey. That film is not that bad. It's bad, but not horrible.

Would have just been bad. Ryan Reynolds elevated it.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on January 24, 2016, 01:30:15 AM
Would have just been bad. Ryan Reynolds elevated it.

The one thing I liked was them showing how easy it should be for someone to see through a mask.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: CG on January 25, 2016, 05:03:33 PM
Finally got to watch the pilot.  Heat Wave was hilarious! He had all the best lines!

Spoiler for Hidden:
I feel a little mislead with the "Legends" part since none of them apparently mattered to the timeline.  I suppose this show will be about them trying to make a difference. 

Sad to see the Hawks' son die.  I wonder if that's what happened to him all along?  ie. their actions didn't change the result, but made it come to pass.

I hope we learn more about Gideon.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on January 25, 2016, 05:20:50 PM
Rip Hunter all but outright said that was the case when he remarked on how time itself would occasionally be their adversary as it wants to unfold the way it's supposed to or something.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Mandu on January 26, 2016, 03:41:44 AM
Well, I suppose Rory would know about fixed points.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: eabrace on January 29, 2016, 02:09:50 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Nice little cameo from Darhke.

The one liners keep on rolling, too.  So, so many laughs.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on January 29, 2016, 03:53:50 AM
They can't get there time travel theories consistent.

In this Ror..er Rip says that it takes time for the changes in the past to catch up to the future, yet in the Flash when Eddie kills himself Thawne immediately fades from existence.

Also if Stein changed his past enough so he never met his wife and the ring disappeared, then how did he still remember? And then shouldn't he have also remembered meeting three people who stole his tracker and then visited a space ship in 1975?

I like what they are doing so far, but they need to be more consistent in their time travel stuff.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on January 29, 2016, 02:42:13 PM
Did I nod off and miss when they said why they can't have just hid in the bushes until after one of the 206 times Savage has killed the hawks? It's one thing for them to say they can't interfere in events they participated in, but it does seem like they could at least follow him from one of the times where they know where he is.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Elon Musk was a nice touch.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: saipaman on January 29, 2016, 04:38:51 PM
They can't get there time travel theories consistent.

In this Ror..er Rip says that it takes time for the changes in the past to catch up to the future, yet in the Flash when Eddie kills himself Thawne immediately fades from existence.

Also if Stein changed his past enough so he never met his wife and the ring disappeared, then how did he still remember? And then shouldn't he have also remembered meeting three people who stole his tracker and then visited a space ship in 1975?

I like what they are doing so far, but they need to be more consistent in their time travel stuff.

Those two events aren't the same time.

Only one of those events involves time travel.  Unless I missed something, Eddie kills himself in his own "present time".   

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on February 05, 2016, 01:25:11 PM
"I've seen men of steel die and dark knights fall..."

Nice one.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Battlechimp on February 06, 2016, 12:05:42 AM
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on February 06, 2016, 04:15:13 AM
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: CG on February 08, 2016, 05:55:31 PM
Ok, that last episode made no sense...
Spoiler for Hidden:
They killed Vandal Savage.  I know, they didn't kill him the right way to keep him dead, but presumably he was a little bit dead and they could have taken him with them when they escaped.  They were able to get Carter out of there.  I'm sure if they have left Carter to take Vandal, Hawkgirl would have been fine with that.  She can shiv him when she wakes up.

There's lots I can forgive them for their weird time travel rules, but they have their enemy defeated.  Capture him, take the dagger (of go find it if they need to) and series over. Yay!

Made no sense.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on February 09, 2016, 10:21:42 PM
Ok, that last episode made no sense...
Spoiler for Hidden:
They killed Vandal Savage.  I know, they didn't kill him the right way to keep him dead, but presumably he was a little bit dead and they could have taken him with them when they escaped.  They were able to get Carter out of there.  I'm sure if they have left Carter to take Vandal, Hawkgirl would have been fine with that.  She can shiv him when she wakes up.

There's lots I can forgive them for their weird time travel rules, but they have their enemy defeated.  Capture him, take the dagger (of go find it if they need to) and series over. Yay!

Made no sense.

Never even occurred to me. You are right. He wouldn't have put up much of a fight. Though as you say - series over. So they can't make it that easy.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on February 09, 2016, 10:40:15 PM
I've been reading some mid-90s Justice League stuff with Vandal Savage that deals with his database of all his offspring that he uses as an organ farm. That'd make a fun episode or 3.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on February 12, 2016, 01:29:57 AM
"Did you just quote Top Gun?"
"Maybe."
 ;D
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on February 13, 2016, 05:37:29 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Oh yay, yet another woman character with uncontrollable rages. That's #5 by my count (Laurel, Helena, Hawkgirl, Sara, Thea) and I could very easily be missing some since my memory stinks. You'd think at some point someone would call foul.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: eabrace on February 13, 2016, 05:12:51 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
... Hawkgirl ... foul.
Spoiler for Hidden:
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=s2.quickmeme.com%2Fimg%2F38%2F38a1565b86c5f4dee52ce3f28dfe6125639639f0b067d483a7e0f3fc8b2c3b84.jpg)
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Mandu on February 14, 2016, 07:06:36 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Oh yay, yet another woman character with uncontrollable rages. That's #5 by my count (Laurel, Helena, Hawkgirl, Sara, Thea) and I could very easily be missing some since my memory stinks. You'd think at some point someone would call foul.

Spoiler for Hidden:
As opposed to Oliver, Roy, Slade, Merlyn, Darhk, Zoom, Tokamak, etc...  In the CW verse people with anger management issues are the norm.  It's the people with self control who are considered strange.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on February 14, 2016, 08:30:20 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Well of those you had 2 caused by drugs, one caused by new overwhelming power, and 3 who are just villains, not really out of control with rage. That just leaves Oliver, who reacts to everything in a ridiculous way. And of course Lazarus pit is pretty much the equivalent of the guys' drugs so that's two of mine. But yeah your point's well taken that these writers really can't do natural human reactions to things. The complete lack of creativity just struck me especially this week since Hawkgirl's rage comes out of nowhere and they're already using that subplot for Sara.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on February 19, 2016, 10:15:06 AM
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on February 19, 2016, 10:41:43 PM
So, Snart told Sara that he never killed one of his own guys... but isn't that exactly what he did when he was introduced in Flash?
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: eabrace on February 19, 2016, 10:45:22 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Cold: "This isn't my first Prison Break."
Really? ???
I laughed.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on February 20, 2016, 04:35:03 AM
So, Snart told Sara that he never killed one of his own guys... but isn't that exactly what he did when he was introduced in Flash?

Maybe he's not counting people he was through working with, but yeah.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on February 20, 2016, 12:38:20 PM
Well, iirc the guy stated he was out... and pointed a gun at Snart (I'm not just imagining that, right?)
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on February 20, 2016, 05:10:29 PM
Mmhmm.

Occurred to me watching the intro - why does savage's air force in 2167 only have bombs that hit the top floor of buildings?
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: saipaman on February 20, 2016, 05:30:03 PM
Because only buildings are worth a bomb?
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on February 20, 2016, 07:04:14 PM
I was referring to the hitting the top floor aspect of the bombs rather than the fact that they were using them on buildings. Seeing as we already have much better bombs than that it struck me as odd for 2167.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on February 21, 2016, 01:57:43 AM
I'll go out on a limp and say, it's because just rubble would be a lousy background.
Burned out sky-scrapers look way more impressive.

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: saipaman on February 21, 2016, 04:02:13 AM
The best way to take down a building is to drop a bomb on the roof which starts a timer.  As the bomb falls through the building, the timer expires and the bomb goes off.  Bye, Bye, building.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Mandu on February 23, 2016, 03:17:08 AM
Mmhmm.

Occurred to me watching the intro - why does savage's air force in 2167 only have bombs that hit the top floor of buildings?

Because in 2167 the 1% all live on the top floor of buildings.  Lower floors and the ground are for the peasantry.  Savage still wants slaves.  He just wants to eliminate those who think they can resist him.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on February 23, 2016, 03:26:50 AM
Note to self - sublet the London penthouse before 2167.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: CG on February 26, 2016, 01:57:56 PM
I think there was too much going on in that episode.  It would have been nicer to have had a little more time (two-parter) to develop things.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Did they even name Grant Wilson's character?  Was he supposed to be Ravager or Deathstroke II? I don't think he had powers like Slade.  Why did he attack Central City in the first place?  How is he keeping control when something like the National Guard would be called in.  What's going on with the rest of the country?

I love Heat Wave.  I think he's right to be upset with Snart; Snart's changing the game plan.  I'm a little unclear why Snart is trying to stop Savage.  Nice moment with Ray and Rory at the end.

John Diggle Jr. as Connor was a nice touch.

The subplot with Firestorm, Ray and Kendra was predictable.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on February 26, 2016, 10:44:55 PM
Starring Kenny Rogers as Oldiver Queen...
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on February 27, 2016, 04:21:47 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
I prefer my crazy one-armed future oliver to lose his arm to supes, and a bionic arm is cheating. Nice nod though.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on March 04, 2016, 03:25:08 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Pity, I liked Heat Wave :'(
Spoiler for Hidden:
but then again... Episode 9 is titled "Left Behind", so maybe Mick is just stranded somewhere. Trapped in an ice block.
On a side note, Rip can't bluff for toffee :roll:
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Kaos Arcanna on March 04, 2016, 03:49:17 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
I'm hopeful that Mick is still alive. Ironically enough Heat Wave was one of Flash's Rogues Gallery who went straight in the 70s/80s.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: CG on March 04, 2016, 02:27:25 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Heat Wave is my favourite character on the show.  I hope he's not off the island.

He's also asking valid questions: why is Cold taking up the banner against Savage? 

For a Time "Master", Rip doesn't seem to look at the consequences of his actions.  Calling Heat Wave stupid and telling him he's a barnacle on Cold's ass isn't a good idea when you're locked in prison together.  I would think that a Time Master would be like a chess master with regards to real life events and consequences; thinking 15 moves ahead.

Frankly, Heat Wave is about the only character of the three (Rip, Snart, Rory) that is consistent and believable in his characterization.

Sometimes I wonder why I keep watching.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: hurple on March 04, 2016, 03:00:23 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
I'm hopeful that Mick is still alive. Ironically enough Heat Wave was one of Flash's Rogues Gallery who went straight in the 70s/80s.

Hasn't pretty much every member of Flash's rogues gone straight at some point or other?

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: hurple on March 04, 2016, 03:01:31 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Heat Wave is my favourite character on the show.  I hope he's not off the island.

He's also asking valid questions: why is Cold taking up the banner against Savage? 

For a Time "Master", Rip doesn't seem to look at the consequences of his actions.  Calling Heat Wave stupid and telling him he's a barnacle on Cold's ass isn't a good idea when you're locked in prison together.  I would think that a Time Master would be like a chess master with regards to real life events and consequences; thinking 15 moves ahead.

Frankly, Heat Wave is about the only character of the three (Rip, Snart, Rory) that is consistent and believable in his characterization.

Sometimes I wonder why I keep watching.

Yes, the writing of Rip has been... questionable.  Seems like he'd be more, um, intelligent, than they're portraying him.

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: saipaman on March 04, 2016, 04:01:46 PM
Maybe Rip really isn't a Time Master at all.  For all we know, he went rogue on his first day of training.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on March 04, 2016, 07:00:42 PM
Seems to me like he's rather understandably desperate and overwrought with emotion, barely keeping it together to pursue his vendetta/rescue mission that he started out of that desperation rather than it being rooted in some meticulously crafted plan.

Also, I suspect that one or more of the time council will turn out to be Savage's fanatic followers who have been subtly trying to manipulate events against Rip Hunter for some time. 
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: hurple on March 04, 2016, 07:47:52 PM
And what episode are we on now... And not one chalkboard covered with cryptic notes foretelling future events.

Harumph!

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on March 04, 2016, 07:54:35 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
He's also asking valid questions: why is Cold taking up the banner against Savage?
I'd say, because he was told that he'll be a footnote in history and tries to change that by killing Savage.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Kaos Arcanna on March 04, 2016, 10:08:45 PM
I'd say, because he was told that he'll be a footnote in history and tries to change that by killing Savage.

I'm thinking it's totally about the White Canary. Can't say I blame him either. :D
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: CG on March 04, 2016, 10:49:37 PM
I'm thinking it's totally about the White Canary. Can't say I blame him either. :D
I never got the impression he cared about being famous, just rich.

White Canary might be a reason, but Cold doesn't seem like he falls for the ladies that quickly.

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on March 04, 2016, 10:56:48 PM
Cold seems to me like he has wanted to be inspired to heroism since his first run-in with the Flash.  Or at the very least to be a better person. 
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: eabrace on March 05, 2016, 12:25:37 AM
I just like the way "Rip, Snart, Rory" sounds when you put them together.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Dev7on on March 05, 2016, 04:39:45 PM
I'm starting to not like Legends of Tomorrow. It's getting boring and every episode Rip's plans always doesn't go the way he planned. Rip is starting to get very reckless. He lost Hawkman now Heat Wave. I'm agreeing with CG sometimes I question why I'm still watching the show too.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on March 06, 2016, 01:37:16 PM
Hawkgirl's totally emptying ray's bank accounts when they get back.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: saipaman on March 07, 2016, 06:23:50 PM
I'm sure he had money to burn.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: tripthicket on March 08, 2016, 07:31:27 AM
Starting to also dislike this show, mostly for the writing. Way too many characters, with no idea whatsoever on what to do with them. I recently watched the 2 halves of Firestorm stand there, an arms-length away from each other, in the middle of a group of pirates -- they did nothing except ask for instructions from Rip. In the same episode, Rip is frustrated that he doesn't know where to find Savage now, while he's standing in a time-ship and has been to at least 2 times & places where he does know that Savage can be found. I've begun rolling my eyes at almost everything Rip says or does; I don't think I'm the target audience for what they're wanting to do with the show. I do believe I'm done with it.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on March 08, 2016, 09:02:47 AM
I'm more accepting than most, and even I am getting a bit fed up with Rip's apparent incompetence.  Initially, he seemed to have a direction, at least, even if there was friction and failure - but now he's completely just bumbling about. 
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on March 08, 2016, 09:32:37 AM
None of these issues strike me as any more egregious in LoT than in, y'know, every DC tv show not done by Bruce Timm all the way back to Superfriends.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on March 08, 2016, 10:05:16 AM
I disagree.  Most of them make apparent - albeit not necessarily logical - progress towards their goals.  Especially since many of them were almost purely episodic and had to reach those goals in that short time.  Smallville is the only one I recall that irked me more with wheel-spinning.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on March 08, 2016, 10:15:08 AM
i think that's due to them having one goal on LoT that if they were being at all internally consistent they could have reached in ep 3 at the latest :D

i was referring more to things like inconsistent characterizations, forgetting powers, incompetence, irrational behavior, plot holes than just the show's going nowhere.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: hurple on March 08, 2016, 02:59:38 PM
True.  This show smells of originally being a mini-series stretched out over more episodes.

I'm thinking the initial buzz was so strong, the network upped their episode request.  Wasn't this originally meant as a 4-week fill-in during a Flash/Arrow break (ala as Agent Carter to S.H.I.E.L.D)?

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Battlechimp on March 08, 2016, 11:22:02 PM
I'm just hoping for Rip to go "We need to replace the people we've lost.  So I've collected these two.  Let me introduced Booster Gold and Blue Beetle"

And then wacky hijinks ensue
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on March 08, 2016, 11:35:06 PM
<shudder> 'We've located Savage on the small island of Kooey Kooey Kooey'.

i hope that no matter how bad this show gets it won't approach zany sitcom justice league terrible.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: hurple on March 09, 2016, 03:21:42 PM
<shudder> 'We've located Savage on the small island of Kooey Kooey Kooey'.

i hope that no matter how bad this show gets it won't approach zany sitcom justice league terrible.

Oh god... I wish it would.  A zany sitcom version of this show would be so much more entertaining than this has been so far.

But, they would need a wacky landlord with a long-suffering wife.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: CG on March 09, 2016, 03:31:08 PM
But, they would need a wacky landlord with a long-suffering wife.
Booster Gold and Blue Beetle!
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on March 09, 2016, 03:41:46 PM
^^^
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Super Firebug on March 11, 2016, 12:27:30 AM
Okay, going into tonight's episode: regardless of Snart's agreeing that only one of them was walking out of there alive...

Spoiler for Hidden:
...it would be completely irrational for the show to kill off Mick Rory at this point. He saved Ray from the Russian prison, which Snart was against, and now Mick has to be put down like a rabid dog, while Snart's the team player? Plus, the writers have spent the time, to this point, making Mick into an entertaining character, so killing him would mean that they've lost their minds, or else Mick's actor wants to leave the show, or is being thrown off. Plus, if the character's being killed, they'd do him the courtesy of giving him a death scene; and we still need proof that Mick's dead, or else it didn't happen.

I think the loophole lies in the wording: "Only one of us is WALKING out of here alive." (If that's the case, I credit politicians for teaching me to pay attention to how people word what they say and write. Seriously.)
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Mandu on March 12, 2016, 02:58:02 AM
I found out what happens to Mick.  His frozen body gets dumped from the ship into the ocean where he is saved by some Cambodian fishermen. It's 2003, and freezing has messed around with his brain.  He has amnesia but somehow he now has a supermind and knows pretty much everything about everything.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on March 12, 2016, 06:02:37 AM
I found out what happens to Mick.  His frozen body gets dumped from the ship into the ocean where he is saved by some Cambodian fishermen. It's 2003, and freezing has messed around with his brain.  He has amnesia but somehow he now has a supermind and knows pretty much everything about everything.

But he thinks he's a deer - a female deer.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Excidia on March 12, 2016, 08:20:10 PM
I liked that show...
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Ulysses Dare on April 02, 2016, 06:24:44 PM
I knew the rule of "no body, no death" meant he'd show up again, but they managed to surprise me with the how.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on April 02, 2016, 06:37:11 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
so ray gets a professor job with no credentials and they have no problems as an unmarried interracial couple in the late 50s?
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Floride on April 02, 2016, 07:39:13 PM
I remember when this show totally lost me. Snart smacked Mick in the back of the neck and Mick turned around, growled "that tickled" and walloped Snart across the room like a rag doll. No wait, I remember now, he dropped like a sack of squishy potatos, knocked out cold.
I laughed soooo hard. Seriously, my eyes watered.
The show was getting really campy, kinda like "All My Children (In Space)". But then Mick drops like a little girl getting pounded by a wrecking ball, with a single mere gun-butt. The show is extremely predictable but I totally didn't see THAT coming.
Now I really enjoy the show, but not as intended by the network. It's a riot if you watch it suspending your disbelief in it being a drama and instead see it as comic book satire. So now the long lost evil twin comes back... with Amnesia? HAHAHAHA!! (Cue the Genreal Hospital theme)
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: eabrace on April 08, 2016, 01:26:23 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
1)  Jewel Staite!

2)  Hannibal Lecter.   ;D
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Kaos Arcanna on April 08, 2016, 10:52:45 AM

At this point I'm starting to think that Rip Hunter is working for Vandal Savage.


Spoiler for Hidden:
Everything he tries just makes things worse.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on April 08, 2016, 03:17:59 PM
At this point I'm starting to think that Rip Hunter is working for Vandal Savage.


Spoiler for Hidden:
Everything he tries just makes things worse.

LOL - Right after the episode I was thinking - "Nice one Rip. Way to make things better."

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on April 15, 2016, 12:35:51 PM
Flimsy excuse to visit the Old West.  Hex really needs a crazy eye to go with the scarring.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on April 15, 2016, 01:05:40 PM
Flimsy excuse to visit the Old West.  Hex really needs a crazy eye to go with the scarring.

How many time travel shows do the Old West. It's a 'thing'.

I am waiting for the obligatory Nazi Germany 1940's episode.

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Floride on April 18, 2016, 07:01:08 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
"If you had the chance to go back in time and kill Hitler as a child, wouldn't you do it?"
Rip has painted Savage as a futuristic Hitler, so of course he was referring to...(drumroll) some politician's tween!
LOL

Spoiler for Hidden:
Mick wants to kill the whole team and has trained for multiple lifetimes just for this purpose. The team wants Mick dead as well. Then Mick survives not just one but multiple punches from Snart and kicks Snart's butt. Then the team invites Mick back onto the team. Then Mick gladly joins the team.
After laughing soooo hard, I figured out why - this was the bully episode of Saved By The Bell!
I can't be the only one enjoying this as a comedy/satire. There's gotta be some math to prove I'm not the only one.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on April 18, 2016, 07:57:53 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
"If you had the chance to go back in time and kill Hitler as a child, wouldn't you do it?"
Rip has painted Savage as a futuristic Hitler, so of course he was referring to...(drumroll) some politician's tween!
LOL

Spoiler for Hidden:
Mick wants to kill the whole team and has trained for multiple lifetimes just for this purpose. The team wants Mick dead as well. Then Mick survives not just one but multiple punches from Snart and kicks Snart's butt. Then the team invites Mick back onto the team. Then Mick gladly joins the team.
After laughing soooo hard, I figured out why - this was the bully episode of Saved By The Bell!
I can't be the only one enjoying this as a comedy/satire. There's gotta be some math to prove I'm not the only one.

So you're saying Mick can't read?
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on April 22, 2016, 08:18:23 PM
So all that skipping about in the past and failing epically was even more pointless than it seemed while it was happening.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on April 22, 2016, 11:46:46 PM
Especially considering, that they know a time and place where savage is completely helpless... right after he got incinerated in the Flash/Arrow cross-over.
The Heroes just left, Kendra knows this. The Legends could hide there, wait till everyone is gone, freeze what's left of Savage solid and shoot it into the sun.
But that would've made for a short series :P
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Kaos Arcanna on April 23, 2016, 12:55:32 AM
I'm still of the opinion that Rip is secretly working for Vandal Savage. It's the only way this all makes sense.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on April 24, 2016, 09:52:53 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
young Sara creeped me out
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on April 24, 2016, 11:59:38 AM
Looked about the same as the present day version to me.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Super Firebug on April 25, 2016, 06:26:33 PM
Regarding the scene
Spoiler for Hidden:
where Rip picked up the weapon from Ray's suit, and blew the Pilgrim out the window:
I wonder what inspired Ray to build a defenestrator for his suit. How many times did he think he'd need that? ;)
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on April 29, 2016, 01:18:19 AM
Regarding the scene
Spoiler for Hidden:
where Rip picked up the weapon from Ray's suit, and blew the Pilgrim out the window:
I wonder what inspired Ray to build a defenestrator for his suit. How many times did he think he'd need that? ;)

You know, I don't normally get mad at my TV but -

Spoiler for Hidden:
Jeebus.

When Kendra stopped from killing Savage, I was tempted to throw something at my TV.

So Carter's mind is locked and only Savage can undo that.
Carter reincarnates right? So his next life he will be fine. And besides - this is Carter like 100 years from her time, already would have been reborn in her lifetime back in our present. I don't think they are immortal and can age. So I doubt that's Carter from 100 years ago.

And I really thought the robot would have been called 'Amazo'.

Has the Atom in the comics ever done the Giant Man thing?
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on April 29, 2016, 09:12:13 PM
I liked the mace upgrade, even if that tiny bracelet shouldn't have produced that much molten metal.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Floride on April 30, 2016, 01:45:13 AM
General Mills' relationship with DC is already obvious (DC artists redesign of the monster cereals, exclusivity of Batman and Superman Cereals, etc), but this blatant commercial promotion was just juvenile.

(https://i.imgur.com/KTuqpyx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/I5vralV.jpg)
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on April 30, 2016, 04:38:16 AM
Didn't even notice it, if those aren't fake...

For the record, my favourite of the monster cereals was always Boo Berry.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on April 30, 2016, 05:12:02 PM
Boo Berry was my fave but Yummi Mummy was also good. Frankenberry was one of the worst cereals I've ever had.

Spoiler for Hidden:
I had the exact same thoughts as doc but decided to give them the benefit of the doubt and pretend that savage dying closes the cycle and that would make it be the last carter who is mindless. thus her decision would only be incredibly stupid rather than mind-blowingly stupid.

also bothered me that savage went from going toe to toe with flash while catching oliver's arrows to getting repeatedly whacked by telegraphed mace haymakers. though my problem there is more with the OP arrow version.

oh and changing how temporal causality works, completely undermining the entire premise and point of the series, is some top notch lulz even from these writers.

all that said though, at least some stuff finally happened in this episode.

and wiki says atom only had growing powers temporarily during zero hour
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Floride on May 01, 2016, 02:28:59 AM
Didn't even notice it, if those aren't fake...

For the record, my favourite of the monster cereals was always Boo Berry.
Not fake. Those screens are from hulu with the captions turned on.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Super Firebug on May 01, 2016, 03:30:09 AM
Is anyone else thinking that that was too easy?
Spoiler for Hidden:
That the idea was for Savage to be taken aboard the Waverider, and that Cassandra is playing double agent?
That they're playing right into Savage's hands?
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on May 01, 2016, 04:34:50 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
You mean you don't think the amoral tyrant really raised a daughter who values human life and honesty to such an extent that she'll without deliberation do a complete 180, betray her father, give up her position as basically second in command of earth, and decide to go against him and his unstoppable army with the 7 people she just met and their hobo militia? Surely you jest.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on May 01, 2016, 05:59:31 AM
To be fair, it wasn't valuing human life that got her to turn.  It was 'you killed my parents!'.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on May 01, 2016, 06:22:40 AM
Also: while I was watching the episode, Savage became an evil version of Mike Myers' Love Guru and I can't unsee it.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 02, 2016, 04:30:58 PM
Is anyone else thinking that that was too easy?
Spoiler for Hidden:
That the idea was for Savage to be taken aboard the Waverider, and that Cassandra is playing double agent?
That they're playing right into Savage's hands?

So are you saying that Rip made a stupid, bad decision? It's so unlike him.............................
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on May 06, 2016, 12:23:00 PM
"If we live through this, you bumbling idiot, I just may kill you..."

:)
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on May 06, 2016, 01:54:39 PM
Amazes me how much of this series depends on jax/prof forgetting they can become firestorm.
Spoiler for Hidden:
Are we supposed to forget that Martin was immune to radiation earlier in the season or did they anticipate that objection and come up with the laughable 'temporal radiation' idea specifically to combat it?
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 06, 2016, 04:01:13 PM
Once again Rip makes an amazingly good decision.

Spoiler for Hidden:
..NOT!

The whole time he was trying to get Savage to the VP, I was thinking - what if they just let him go because history needs to happen?

What else bugs me is this -
Spoiler for Hidden:
ok they can't stop Savage apparently, but if his whole motive is to save his family - why doesn't he just grab them from a time before Savage kills them and hide them someplace?

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on May 06, 2016, 05:10:13 PM
In one of the episodes, Hunter said he tried to do just that.  Repeatedly and at successively earlier times.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 06, 2016, 06:17:51 PM
In one of the episodes, Hunter said he tried to do just that.  Repeatedly and at successively earlier times.

Ok. Guess I missed that part.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on May 06, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
You might've repressed it given that the way he talked about it it pretty much undermined the entire point of the series.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on May 06, 2016, 06:37:05 PM
You might've repressed it given that the way he talked about it it pretty much undermined the entire point of the series.

I don't know...  it could be that the entire point all along has been that Rip is destined to be a disastrous failure, in which case they've been hammering it home quite successfully with each episode!
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 06, 2016, 07:06:07 PM
I don't know...  it could be that the entire point all along has been that Rip is destined to be a disastrous failure, in which case they've been hammering it home quite successfully with each episode!

Well lets see - he is supposed to save the timestream yet his team has killed / injured countless people in the past (and future). That should have changed his future a lot - people that wouldn't have been born or in the hospital or arrested that weren't originally and therefore their future is changed.

And also that Russian scientist lady blowed herself and her lab up real good to recreate the Firestorm, which they only knew about because the heroes got seen in the past fighting Savage.

Oh and getting Savage to release that virus 5 years earlier then it happened because he interfered with Per Degaton as a kid. That alone should be a huge change in the timeline - people dying 5 years before they originally did. Who knows how many children were not born because of that, or people who died then who may not have died in the regular timeline because they might have been away when the virus hit 5 years later in the original timeline.

So in a way Rip is doing a worse job than if he just left everything alone. If I was the Time Masters I would lock him up too.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: eabrace on May 06, 2016, 11:18:06 PM
Silly Rory.  He's forgotten all about fixed points in time.
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Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on May 13, 2016, 08:50:55 AM
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 13, 2016, 12:33:23 PM
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Super Firebug on May 13, 2016, 08:51:33 PM
When Snart was tapping his ring, did anyone else notice that he was tapping in the rhythm of Zoom's theme music? Odd little detail, there.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: eabrace on May 13, 2016, 11:39:59 PM
When Snart was tapping his ring, did anyone else notice that he was tapping in the rhythm of Zoom's theme music? Odd little detail, there.
:o

That's an impressive detail to catch.  I definitely did not notice that.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on May 14, 2016, 02:11:25 AM
I'd have to take your word on the fact that Zoom has theme music, even...
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Ulysses Dare on May 14, 2016, 04:50:40 AM
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 14, 2016, 01:14:16 PM
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on May 14, 2016, 02:15:22 PM
Rip saving his family would've negated his reason to do so in the first place...
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Mandu on May 15, 2016, 12:53:41 AM
Rip saving his family would've negated his reason to do so in the first place...

Sort of.  We have already seen that people who change the timeline remember the original timeline.  Now that the timeline isn't being manipulated I think by season end he will save his family but of course will have to leave them to save the world from the next great menace.  Probably coming up with an alternate solution for the Thanagarians.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 15, 2016, 01:52:47 AM
Sort of.  We have already seen that people who change the timeline remember the original timeline.  Now that the timeline isn't being manipulated I think by season end he will save his family but of course will have to leave them to save the world from the next great menace.  Probably coming up with an alternate solution for the Thanagarians.

I wonder what they will do with the Thangarians. In the comics - the Earth-1 Hawkman and Hawkgirl were police officers from Thangar. And their wings and stuff were part of their uniform. Then of course as time went by and Crisises (Crisi?) came and went, they tried to merge the origins of both E1 and E2 Hawkmen and it became a huge mess.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Super Firebug on May 15, 2016, 02:52:49 AM
I'd have to take your word on the fact that Zoom has theme music, even...

Two scenes come to mind where I know it's heard: when Zoom's showing off the defeated Flash in the Central City Photo News office in "Enter Zoom", and when he comes through the breach that Cisco created in "Versus Zoom".
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Super Firebug on May 17, 2016, 05:09:55 PM
Unless I missed something, it seems that not all of the supposed plot holes have been explained away.

Spoiler for Hidden:
The Oculus failsafe was a dead-man switch - someone had to be holding it down in order for the Oculus to explode. The Time Masters could simply have killed Snart, forcing him to let go of the failsafe, in order to prevent their own destruction.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 17, 2016, 07:52:35 PM
Unless I missed something, it seems that not all of the supposed plot holes have been explained away.

Spoiler for Hidden:
The Oculus failsafe was a dead-man switch - someone had to be holding it down in order for the Oculus to explode. The Time Masters could simply have killed Snart, forcing him to let go of the failsafe, in order to prevent their own destruction.

I really though Snart was
Spoiler for Hidden:
going to freeze the switch in place so they could all get out alive.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on May 17, 2016, 09:01:07 PM
I thought the same thing then I remembered what show I was watching
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on May 17, 2016, 09:33:46 PM
My theory is, that being at ground zero of a time-manipulating-computer's explosion mysteriously flings Cold back to when he came from... plus a few weeks/months :roll:
Maybe he'll even be in time to help save the world from Zoom and his cronies, thus showing the world his heel/face turn. And like in the comics he'll get a pardon for it.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 18, 2016, 02:21:35 AM
My theory is, that being at ground zero of a time-manipulating-computer's explosion mysteriously flings Cold back to when he came from... plus a few weeks/months :roll:
Maybe he'll even be in time to help save the world from Zoom and his cronies, thus showing the world his heel/face turn. And like in the comics he'll get a pardon for it.

Well he will be in other CW shows. That is my guess as well.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 18, 2016, 02:23:35 AM
I thought the same thing then I remembered what show I was watching

Spoiler for Hidden:
To expand - he did tell Mick "I'm sorry." So I thought he was going to freeze the switch with Mick's hand holding it, break it off and then have it regenerate like his did in a previous episode."

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on May 18, 2016, 02:52:51 AM
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the final resolution ends up being a Reset that makes it as if none of this stuff happened in the main timeline.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: CG on May 18, 2016, 06:18:52 AM
I have not been watching for a while because it got so bad. It's nice to hear that there's a reason everything was going to wrong, but they certainly didn't foreshadow it at all.  It just seemed like an incompetent team of losers. Terrible storytelling.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 18, 2016, 02:26:45 PM
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the final resolution ends up being a Reset that makes it as if none of this stuff happened in the main timeline.

Well...they did destroy the Time Masters source of power in a way, so possibly.

Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 20, 2016, 01:05:13 AM
Wow. Nice finale.

Spoiler for Hidden:
I thought once they mentioned Thangarians they might tie them together with the Hawks - and they did.

Justice Society of America! Can't wait now for next season.

Why do I feel Savage isn't gone for good?


Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: eabrace on May 20, 2016, 01:29:01 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
"Every time they do that I get hungry for chicken"

I also see they've wasted absolutely no time in cranking out a promo for Supergirl's move to the CW - complete with not-so-subtle implications on crossovers to come.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on May 20, 2016, 09:16:48 AM
Could someone please tell me what happened after Rip saw his family in the Waverider... I seem to be missing a few minutes. :(
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Tenzhi on May 20, 2016, 12:25:40 PM
Best thing about the finale was Firestorm doing some transmutation.  Though the implications of the brief appearance of the man of the hour make for a close second.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: doc7924 on May 21, 2016, 12:00:08 AM
Could someone please tell me what happened after Rip saw his family in the Waverider... I seem to be missing a few minutes. :(

No you are not. That's exactly what happened.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Vee on May 21, 2016, 12:55:17 AM
Best thing about the finale was Firestorm doing some transmutation.

I won't be satisfied til he turns everything to balloons like on superfriends.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Mandu on May 21, 2016, 04:38:46 AM
Could someone please tell me what happened after Rip saw his family in the Waverider... I seem to be missing a few minutes. :(

If that's the last bit you saw then you are missing a lot of minutes.
Spoiler for Hidden:
The family was just a dream.  Rip ejects the meteor into the sun then uses all the power being absorbed by the solar cells to timejump back to 2016.

Rip tells the team he has more time fixing to do since somebody has to do it and the time council is wiped out but they are welcome to join him.

Everybody goes home, has a gosh gee I suppose we should keep doing this moment and then the next day they meet Rip at the ship.

The two Hawks say they don't want to come along because they want to open their own coffee shop or something like that.  Audiences across the world cheer wildly.

A battered Waverider comes plummeting out of the sky and crashes.  Out comes a stranger who tells them not to get on board the ship or they will all die. At some point in the future or past or whatever Future Mick told the guy where he could go to stop them. Mick asks his name and he says Rex Tyler of the JSA.  Rex Tyler is Hourman.
Title: Re: DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Post by: Nos482 on May 21, 2016, 07:51:46 AM
Thanks. :)