Being that I know Tony going on six years now (through the wiki, through Titan, and eventually through Facebook), and he has a history of not just saying random pancake and then not following through with it, I *do* (and everyone should) give him a huge amount of leeway. He never spouts off conspiracy theories (unless it's very obvious he's joking).
Joshex has a HISTORY here at Titan of wacko conspiracy theories, like tinfoil hat kind. He also has a history of saying things and then whatever he was saying goes the way of the dodo and is never updated (aforementioned "save your discs, I'm not telling why, teehee, something important") Like, and I mean this literally, almost from the day he joined.
Other people? For sure if I read the thread and there's unfounded stuff being spouted, I will *and have* stepped in to reign in things and make sure people know what's known and what's just "saying stuff". However, if I don't read the thread I can't make any statements, so if you think something needs to be said to someone, report it. If you think something's getting out of hand, report it. If you think something doesn't belong here, or needs to be moved, or needs to be edited, report it. That's why we've got that button.
BTW, I have REPEATEDLY deleted/locked/edited "down with NCSOFT" threads and posts because we have specific places for that kind of thing. And if it is too vitriolic, it's simply deleted or locked. Don't act like it doesn't happen, because I know for a fact it does - *I* am the one doing it! (And Eabrace, Tony, et al.)
EDIT: Also, please don't get me wrong when I tell you to stuff a big one in it regarding TFHM; VV, Rae, etc.'s efforts in that is and always will be more than any of you (including me) have ever done. I can pretty much guarantee it.
yeah I seen you edited but I guess I chose the wrong words. For example, not many people if any question when someone say, "NCSOFT shut down the game because they want to be evil corporation". None that I seen even asked so much for evidence. But when someone say, "it was a business decision, then they are expected to pull just about every financial report and get grilled for evidence supporting it. yes, there is a place for "down with NCSOFT", but is there a place "For NCSOFT"?
And that is what I'm getting at. You know Tony, but not everyone do. Thus only thing many people know of tony and the rest is what they post on here. And even still, the extra leeway, thing, sure, but still if evidence is required for one, it should be required for the other otherwise it is a double standard.
With TFHM, and don't get me wrong, I use Tony as example because I like Tony that way no one can accuse me of pointing someone out merely because I don't like them. TFHM, if over all, from what they can and or have evidence wise of their efforts is basically hear say and lacking. Yet it don't get questioned. Yet, if someone else say something that have the same or in some cases more evidence but still lacking, then it's a problem. Double standard.
Yes some people know them personally, just as someone probably know Joshex personally.
For example if I madea post saying "I called NCSOFT and they said they have no plans for the IP at all." I can all but guarantee not many people would question it and run with it as truth without a sliver of evidence. Because that is what many already want to believe.
But if I said with same amount of evidence "I called NCSOFT and they said they might sell but have plans for the future." I bet I probably get questioned up and down and probably no evidence would be good enough until I drag the CEO here and force him to confess and or have video of the convo. Because that is what many do not want to believe. Which begs the question of why would evidence be required for one but not the other?
And as I said, a lot have to do with not what is said but many times who is saying it. As you said yourself, you give Tony more leeway. I'm not saying it's bad it's is what it is. And thus it is. A lot of stuff Tony said 90% of it isn't anything new. People been saying it since the announcement but the reaction have been night and day.
NCSOFT as some evil corporation or evidence that they just want to hold onto the IP out of spite or just to be evil, or they have no plan for the IP, all have been suggested without evidence and mostly been allowed without questioning of the validity. To me those things are just as much as a conspiracy as much as anything Joshex have said. Yet he get labeled with tinfoil hat while the other things are ran with as either true or great possible truth without question and those that do question it, is looked at as if they are not supporting the cause or in bed with NCSOFT. Although you and your team have been keeping it even level.
