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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness (SPOILERS)
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2013, 09:31:05 PM »
Karl Urban plays a great McCoy. His portrayal is one of the few things that might tempt me to go see it in spite of all the reasons not to.


There were AT LEAST 3 occasions where I could have sworn I was listening to DeForest Kelly's voice.

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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness (SPOILERS)
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2013, 09:33:26 PM »
There could be a reason for that.

http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/17/18326545-star-trek-reaches-warp-speed-at-real-fusion-lab?lite

Yup, I did notice that it appeared to be an actual location like that.  I thought it more appropo than a friggin' brewery.


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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2013, 02:08:53 AM »
Actually, they are testing it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White%E2%80%93Juday_warp-field_interferometer

And it's here in Houston.  Sweet. :D
 
Not that they've gotten far, but yep, we're gonna send a soda can to Proxima Alpha and back, and take only a few weeks...
 
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness (SPOILERS)
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2013, 02:14:51 AM »
Actually, they are testing it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White%E2%80%93Juday_warp-field_interferometerAnd it's here in Houston.  Sweet. :D

Yeah, I know they're working on it, but I keep waiting to hear an estimate for when they expect to be ready to run the beam test. It's been at least a couple of years since I first heard about it.

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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness (SPOILERS)
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2013, 01:39:26 AM »
So the wife and I took in Star Trek: Into Darkness today. I apologize in advance if I've covered other peoples points, but I haven't been following the thread closely as to avoid the majority of spoilers.


From the very opening scene of this movie, it grabs you by the neck and doesn't let you go until the credits are rolling. There are moments when you get to breath, but they're very short sequences and generally are there simply to allow you some time to catch your breath before the roller coaster starts back up again.

Let me just say that ultimately I found this a good Star Trek movie. Star Trek (2009) was a good film, but Into Darkness is probably the first Star Trek movie we've had since The Undiscovered Country. What do I mean by that? I mean this film has meat on its bones beyond the action slugfests we normally have. And while it is buried underneath the action, the film does have a actual narrative to it.

Specifically, it's addressing a long standing issue with the Trek franchise as a whole - Is - and Should - Starfleet be militarized? This is a obvious callback to the dialogue in Star Trek II (as are a lot of things in the film), but it's given more prominence and the weight of the subject isn't merely glossed over.

Admiral Marcus believed war with the Klingon Empire was inevitable, so he and Section 31 took steps to be ready for that war - even if it meant violating every rule on the books to do so. In addition to this, we get two fold growth from both Spock and Kirk. Kirk in the film gets a firsthand and very visceral lesson of what can result when you ignore orders and regulations you don't agree with, and Spock gets growth in his confrontation with Khan in that in some instances, Cold Logic isn't enough.

I really liked the themes and elements of the movie. Khan himself seemed like a side show, the low hanging fruit of the franchise to serve as the antagonist that drives forward the plot and then ultimately the final foil (Though I'd say Admiral Marcus is the film's true menace since everything in the movie was done to cover up the fact Section 31 unthawed Khan). As to Khan, I have to say I'm glad Cumberbatch wasn't forced to emulate Montiban and instead allowed to do Khan in his own way. It really helped the story that Khan wasn't a simple carbon copy. I also liked that he was less an adversary for most of the film and more a unwilling ally. It helps build the eventual conflict all the more, specifically because Kirk was the one who initially betrays Khan when he orders Scotty to drop him. Khan didn't have to save Kirk during the ship jump, after all.

All in all, I am tremendously satisfied with Into Darkness. It's by no means the "Best Trek Movie ever" but it's a triumphant return to the franchise's movie "roots" of being an action movie with more meat on the bones. The fact Cumberbatch's Khan is probably the least Khan-like villain we've had since The Undiscovered Country also helps immensely too.

Some other random bits of the movie I liked:

- The Dress Uniforms. Given the movie's undertone about whether Starfleet was or wasn't a military organization, I loved the new Dress outfits. It gives an air of professionalism that the multi-colored jumpers sorely lacked, while at the same time not being a full on Dress Uniform like a Military would have. They honestly looked like Cops...which is what they are, if Starfleet is ultimately a peacekeeping organization.

- The Admirals Uniforms. They took about the only good looking outfit from Star Trek: The Motion Picture and adapted it. Bravo.

- The Klingons. I was bracing myself for this, and almost immediately I desperately wanted to see more of them. I love everything about them. Their merging of TOS and TNG styling, the Helmets (Which also saves the extras from being forced into 2+ hour makeup sessions simply to be on screen for thirty seconds). The new forehead ridges, the redesigned Bat'leths, the atmospheric Birds of Prey (Which looked like ungainly lumps of nothing in stills but are amazing in motion)...More! More! More! More! MORE!

- The violation of the Prime Directive. I know this scene caused some stink because the Enterprise is under water (Which is a tad odd. Even if they can't use transporters due to magnetic interference, why send the entire ship down?), but I liked it because it gave us an alien species that had more effort put into it then simply slap a forehead on them. Great use of body paint to give them a dried out, parched skin look.

- Spock and Khan's knuckleduster. Not only is it a culmination of Khan's original comment to Spock about "breaking bones" but logically (heh) Spock is the only one of the main cast that is comparable to Khan in strength. If they were going to have a slobberknocker, Spock was the one to do it.

- Sulu in the Captain's chair. Obvious foreshadowing may be obvious, but it's nice to see the new Trek acknowledge that Sulu has it in him to be a good Captain. "Lieutenant, remind me never to piss you off."

- The "TOS Feel" is still alive and well from the previous movie. It just "feels" right.
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness (SPOILERS)
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2013, 05:02:16 AM »
I finally got around to watching this - which is odd, as I liked the 2009 one, but just didn't have the time to check the new one out until now.

I've never really been a Trek fan - I've kind of just dipped in and out of the various series and seen a few of the movies, so I've been able to watch these new versions without having too many expectations about what should or shouldn't be in a Trek movie, and I've really enjoyed them both - they seem much more energetic than the earlier ones, and I think the new cast has been able to avoid just doing impersonations of the original cast, and make the characters their own.
Apart from the one obvious bad part, I also liked the addition of Carol to the crew - and Khan now joins Loki as another recent addition to the list of implausibly hot British bad guys :P
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness (SPOILERS)
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2013, 04:54:28 AM »
I think the new cast has been able to avoid just doing impersonations of the original cast, and make the characters their own.

Karl Urban somehow does both excellently at the same time and, in my opinion, is the best of the bunch because of it.  It still boggles my mind that this is the same guy who did Dredd (not because the movie is bad, but rather because it's such a character difference both in attitude and physical presence).
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness (SPOILERS)
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2013, 04:39:26 PM »
Karl Urban somehow does both excellently at the same time and, in my opinion, is the best of the bunch because of it.  It still boggles my mind that this is the same guy who did Dredd (not because the movie is bad, but rather because it's such a character difference both in attitude and physical presence).
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness (SPOILERS)
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2013, 08:08:47 PM »
Karl Urban somehow does both excellently at the same time and, in my opinion, is the best of the bunch because of it.  It still boggles my mind that this is the same guy who did Dredd (not because the movie is bad, but rather because it's such a character difference both in attitude and physical presence).

He seems to be one of those actors that's able to really disappear into their role - unlike, say Tom Cruise or Samuel L Jackson - not that those 2 are bad actors, but they do tend to pretty much play the same character type in each movie :P
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness (SPOILERS)
« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2013, 02:10:56 AM »
SLJ at least changes his hair for each role. :)
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness (SPOILERS)
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2013, 02:44:49 AM »
I don't know how you equate "Bad Ass Mo Fo" from this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ggJsfSAAu4&t=1m35s
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4kBRC2co7Y

Yeah.  Totally the same character.  :)   You can very easily see him spouting scientific and computer code as Jules or Mace.

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« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2013, 03:33:33 AM »
I said "pretty much", not "always" :P
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« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2013, 05:32:00 AM »
I know.  Just playin', GG! :)

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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness (SPOILERS)
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2013, 06:49:08 PM »
Another thing with this Trek reboot is that they seem to be actively encouraging the Kirk/Spock slashfic fandom, rather than trying to pretend that there's nothing going on :P
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness (SPOILERS)
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2013, 04:37:05 AM »
They keep wanting it to happen, that K/S stuff... it's not going to happen, canonically.

/Then again, what do I know.  Freakin' reboots could mean Kirk and Spock get married next movie..  Star Trek: Into Honeymoon.  Thataway, Second Suite on the Right, and Straight on until Morning.

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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness (SPOILERS)
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2013, 04:48:57 PM »
They keep wanting it to happen, that K/S stuff... it's not going to happen, canonically.

Carol's introduction to Kirk and Spock was pretty blatantly played to be taken that way :P
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« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2013, 01:06:20 AM »
Sure, if you WANT that to be the case, it is... much like possession vs law, belief is 90% of fact, right?  :D

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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness (SPOILERS)
« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2013, 02:11:36 AM »
Spock was absolutely radiating jealousy from every word, look and bit of body language :P

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