Agents of SHIELD: Ghost Rider Season

Mandu · February 26, 2017, 11:49:36 PM

Quote from: eabrace on February 23, 2017, 11:55:47 PM
Might be even worse than that. If Simmons and Quake both entered the Framework in their dopplegangers' bodies, is Simmons buried in a grave?

I suspect the grave is an empty one and the real Simmons doppelganger is working undercover with one of the others. Probably May.

Blondeshell · April 05, 2017, 01:38:41 PM

I think they pulled off the look of "zombie" Simmons quite well. I'm guessing the actress must've had a cold or something based on how her voice sounded at the beginning of the episode, and then later she comments she's feeling much better (when her voice sounded normal).

Yes, Ward's still a double agent, but this time he's actually working for the good guys. That's refreshing.

doc7924 · April 05, 2017, 03:09:27 PM

Quote from: Mandu on February 26, 2017, 11:49:36 PM
I suspect the grave is an empty one and the real Simmons doppelganger is working undercover with one of the others. Probably May.

She looked pretty good. Assumedly they would just take over the 'body' of their counterpart in the framework, shouldn't she have been a walking skeleton?

And I pegged Ward as an agent almost right away. Makes sense he would be the opposite of what he was in the real world.

I also figured Aida was the one with Fitz in the car from last time.

Tenzhi · April 06, 2017, 10:48:05 AM

Oh, great... they're going to win with the power of love...

eabrace · April 06, 2017, 12:19:45 PM

Quote from: Tenzhi on April 06, 2017, 10:48:05 AM
Oh, great... they're going to win with the power of love...

It's a curious thing. It can make a one man weep and make another man sing.

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Tenzhi · April 06, 2017, 01:15:56 PM

Great Scott, that was the weirdest episode of Family Ties ever.

Mandu · April 08, 2017, 08:30:55 PM

I loved this episode but not because it was a good episode (it was). The reason I loved it was pure nostalgia. I own every issue of the original run of What If and about half the remaining issues.

I loved most of them because they would condense popular what if ideas into a single issue of all action. Now if Marvel wants to do a what if they actually change the entire Marvel universe, often for the worse.

doc7924 · April 12, 2017, 02:14:49 PM

Wow. Not-Fitz is one mean SOB.

I wonder if that's all framework programming or its something in his personality he always had that now can come out.

I also love how even being killed (twice), they can still work Ward into the show again.

Tenzhi · April 13, 2017, 12:43:00 PM

Wow, indeed. Fitz makes the rest of fake Hydra look like common thugs next to his Nazi impression.

Vee · April 17, 2017, 06:19:57 AM

I was all ready to like evil Fitz better but they kept his lamer qualities too.

doc7924 · April 19, 2017, 01:14:58 PM

Quote from: Vee on April 17, 2017, 06:19:57 AM
I was all ready to like evil Fitz better but they kept his lamer qualities too.

Well now we see why Fitz became such a Nazi in this world -

Too bad about Mace -

I wonder how the framework got programmed with people like Trip and Ward, since they were long dead before Aida came along.
It's one thing to get the look but they seem to have the same personalities from the real world. (except for Ward not being an evil bastard, but otherwise he seems the same)

Tenzhi · April 19, 2017, 08:51:32 PM

What's the point of going through the trouble to abduct someone and trap them in a digital world if you're just going to kill them? Why not just kill them outright?

doc7924 · April 19, 2017, 10:44:22 PM

Quote from: Tenzhi on April 19, 2017, 08:51:32 PM
What's the point of going through the trouble to abduct someone and trap them in a digital world if you're just going to kill them? Why not just kill them outright?

I don't think they were there to be killed, otherwise yeah. She could do to them what she did to Radcliffe.
Probably Daisy and Jemma going in 'live' threw off the programming. The Patriot and SHIELD wouldn't have tried to raid that place if Daisy was fake Daisy and Jemma was still dead.

eabrace · April 19, 2017, 11:16:12 PM

Quote from: doc7924 on April 19, 2017, 10:44:22 PM
Probably Daisy and Jemma going in 'live' threw off the programming. The Patriot and SHIELD wouldn't have tried to raid that place if Daisy was fake Daisy and Jemma was still dead.

That's brings up a good point. Whether or not someone is currently alive in the real world, it's clear that Aida is able to read the personality matrices uploaded to the framework and mine them for details. Otherwise she wouldn't know what regret to remove, Fitz's dad wouldn't be present, and she wouldn't know to dangle Lincoln in front of Daisy.

doc7924 · April 20, 2017, 12:09:47 AM

Quote from: eabrace on April 19, 2017, 11:16:12 PM
That's brings up a good point. Whether or not someone is currently alive in the real world, it's clear that Aida is able to read the personality matrices uploaded to the framework and mine them for details. Otherwise she wouldn't know what regret to remove, Fitz's dad wouldn't be present, and she wouldn't know to dangle Lincoln in front of Daisy.

And as I mentioned - how did she get Ward and Trip's personalities so right. Unless she based them off memories and experiences of the others.

Aida wasn't built yet when Ward was Ward, maybe the tail end of him being HIVE, and certainly not when Trip was alive.

"and she wouldn't know to dangle Lincoln in front of Daisy." I...no...too easy.

Mandu · April 22, 2017, 05:44:08 PM

I just wonder if they are going to continue with something involving LMDs. Technically it should be possible to put the AI Tripp and Ward into LMD bodies and bring them back to the series even after it transfers back to the real world. I mean throughout the seasons the writers do seem to have been having a competition for how many times they can recreate Ward as a completely different version.

It was great btw seeing Mace finally get to be a real hero though the end of that sucked since I actually like the character. And I loved the "Snap out of it May!" line from Coulson.

doc7924 · April 22, 2017, 09:23:54 PM

Quote from: Mandu on April 22, 2017, 05:44:08 PM
I just wonder if they are going to continue with something involving LMDs. Technically it should be possible to put the AI Tripp and Ward into LMD bodies and bring them back to the series even after it transfers back to the real world. I mean throughout the seasons the writers do seem to have been having a competition for how many times they can recreate Ward as a completely different version.

It was great btw seeing Mace finally get to be a real hero though the end of that sucked since I actually like the character. And I loved the "Snap out of it May!" line from Coulson.

I wonder if mace's regret was that he really wasn't an Inhuman and didn't have powers unless he took that drug.

Its also possible he's not dead, dead. Maybe if they get to him in time in the real world that can do something.

I was thinking the same about Ward. He was already brought back as an alien entity, why not an LMD?

Though with Trip and Ward it really wouldn't be them brought back to life. They aren't alive to get their minds downloaded into the framework. They are just approximations based on I guess Shield database information and their co-workers memories of them. Though would be close enough I guess. I wonder if they couldn't get the other two that left back for an episode or two - Mockingbird and her boyfriend.

Tenzhi · April 23, 2017, 06:30:01 AM

Maybe virtual death is the real backdoor that can't be closed...

doc7924 · April 26, 2017, 03:38:46 AM

I have to say this framework storyline is probably the best they have had yet in four seasons.

And now that I think about it - if she made a machine that can make a real, human body and place a mind inside, I smell a return of a good Grant Ward or maybe even Trip. Also could be a way to bring Mace back to life.

eabrace · April 26, 2017, 12:13:21 PM

Quote from: doc7924 on April 26, 2017, 03:38:46 AM
And now that I think about it - if she made a machine that can make a real, human body and place a mind inside, I smell a return of a good Grant Ward or maybe even Trip. Also could be a way to bring Mace back to life.

Or the bridge for a Westworld crossover. ;D