New efforts!

[Brigadine]

Yeah, we must be patient, but this timeline:
Timeline:
March 6 - I get the information and start working on a way to possibly open source CoH.
March 12 - got letter back from Chris Chung - it showed that is WAS possible to buy the game.
March 13 - the team makes its first contact with me and says this: You are an evil, evil man. I'd given up hope after learning of the tax issue. Now here I am now grinning from ear to ear. Likely going to lead to heartbreak, but damned the torpedos. Full speed ahead.
March 21 - Honestly, we had given up hope. Now, you've given us hope, so we're discussing it.
March 28 - We have been reaching out and putting the proposal together. The concern has been the "Golden Handcuffs" option, being shackled to NCSoft again and having the sword of damocles once again hanging over our heads but this time knowing it is there.
April 5 - Made some headway. Now we know who we need to talk to, and a general idea of price. It is very doable.
April 16 - At the end we'll announce it one way or the other. For now it is just this silly business dance in order to reach [Redacted contact]
April 18 - Second studio expresses interest in the game
April 21 - investor expresses interest and is passed to the team
May 1 - third studio expresses interest in the game.
May 21 - I ask how the talks are going and if they are making the team jump through hoops:Stupid. Stupid amounts of hoops, as far as I know.
June 19 - Slow but not dead. Not a big deal, we were focusing on August anyhow.
June 24 - former paragon Dev contacts me and is forwarded to the team
July 3 - Yesterday, we were directed to the man whose signature is needed.
July 3 - after MY reading WAAAY too much into the first message - Er... we're not days away from anything. We're just now in direct contact, which means we're past another hurdle. We still have at least two months of negotiations left ahead of us, at best. This is where the monsters truly do lie.
July 7 - another investor/studio contacts me and is forwarded to the team
July 11- the fifth studio contacts me and is forwarded to the team
July 24 - Direct quote: "we're working very hard on something to show someone. things will be quiet for a bit."
August 13 - Direct quote: Things are moving along. We should have things worth showing fairly soon, made a great leap forward yesterday.
September 1 - Nate Downs announces he's heading the efforts. They're actively in talks. It's going to take a while. Be patient.

All those dates are from 2014.
The National Dairy Association kicked-in, and everybody's clammed-up.
(Cow's is big business.)

so painful. well over 2 years now :(

[Goddangit]

It helped to have the right amount of brain damage.  Not enough to make you stupid, but more than enough to make you crazy.

The weak parts of my brain have been killed off leaving the strong parts free to street sweep incessantly, run radio missions until my eyes bleed and fill every character slot while feeding my altitis habit.

[Arcana]

The weak parts of my brain have been killed off leaving the strong parts free to street sweep incessantly, run radio missions until my eyes bleed and fill every character slot while feeding my altitis habit.

Pantsless?

[Twisted Toon]

Not exactly related, but something I have wondered. I have signed exactly one NDA agreement, that being related to CoV. I am not experienced in the ways of the NDA. Has anyone ever seen a NDA that specifies an unlimited duration? Or that under certain conditions, the non-disclosure part becomes permanent? (Could one even acknowledge it, given the existence of such a broad NDA?) I suppose that anything is possible, but would you sign something like that? How big would the carrot need to be?

I used to work as a security officer at a business that builds electronics for government (and other private companies) projects. As a security officer that would, inevitably, come into contact with classified materials at some point, I had to sign a NDA just to work there. There are projects that I still can't talk about, and probably won't be able to talk about for the rest of my life.

So, to answer your question. Yes, some NDAs can have an unlimited duration.

[Joshex]

Not sure why that would be true.  I think the lack of information simply means the probability is the same.

Actually; +Time +(-0)= +#

the chance is greater that something is happening as more time has passed while the lack of negative information remains true, the outcome is a positive, do the math.

[Soul Resonance]

Sorry lol!, forgot that was from 2014.  :D. Without NDAs im sure we'd have way more now, but NDAs aren't put up just for show. it's usually a sign that this is serious/people should stay out of our business.

[Drauger9]

I can understand the desire to have CoH back. I'm here because I miss it and want it back too.

What I *don't* understand is the lack of interest in any of the possible successors. Why? Remember, if/when CoH get resurrected, it will be an unchanging, static world. It will be I23 forever. APR may one day replace it but that will be a long time to come and APR will not be I23, dotted eye for dotted eye, because without the source code, it can't be. So, a living, growing world will not be CoX; close maybe, but not the same.  Therefore, why not any of the successors?

Is is because you were burned by CO?
Is it because the CoX lore won't be there?
Is it because powers may not work exactly the same?
What?

I want as many of the people I interacted with in CoX to be with me wherever the new home (or homes) is. I would be disappointed if new games, possibly even a better game, were dismissed without being given a shot.

I don't know about the others but I'm interested in all the other successors. The thing for me "right now" is, their not live besides Valiance (in a way). So I'm not going to invest to much time into them. I mean City of Titans just released a gameplay trailer after being silent for how long? Which it turned out good, it shows that they've spent that time focusing on the game.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is "for me personally" the way I "like" to interact. With a games community is "in game". The community here is different for me because we did interact in game before I became active on the forums. Now that there's no game, it's the only way I can interact with the CoH community I know and love. Where as with the successors, there is no game yet. So in "my mind" there is no community yet.

It may seem strange but that's just me. I do keep up with the games, I just don't post on their forums or anything.

[Arcana]

Actually; +Time +(-0)= +#

the chance is greater that something is happening as more time has passed while the lack of negative information remains true, the outcome is a positive, do the math.

Don't eat the brownies on the benches at Denver International; there's a reason people are leaving them behind before going through the TSA checkpoint.

[darkgob]

Actually; +Time +(-0)= +#

the chance is greater that something is happening as more time has passed while the lack of negative information remains true, the outcome is a positive, do the math.

EARTH IS FOUR-CORNER SIMULTANEOUS 24-HOUR DAY

[Arcana]

EARTH IS FOUR-CORNER SIMULTANEOUS 24-HOUR DAY

I'm older, so I immediately went to TIME EQUALS MASS but that has almost completely disappeared from the internet: its hard to find unless you remember who Alexander Abian was.

[darkgob]

I'm older, so I immediately went to TIME EQUALS MASS but that has almost completely disappeared from the internet: its hard to find unless you remember who Alexander Abian was.

TIME HAS INERTIA

[Arcana]

TIME HAS INERTIA

That be the one.  Also, he used to propose blowing up the moon to change the orbit of the Earth for some climatological reason that currently escapes me.  He was a classic example of the fact that having intelligence and being smart are subtly but significantly different.

[darkgob]

That be the one.  Also, he used to propose blowing up the moon to change the orbit of the Earth for some climatological reason that currently escapes me.  He was a classic example of the fact that having intelligence and being smart are subtly but significantly different.

From Wikipedia:
"Abian gained a degree of international notoriety for his claim that blowing up the Moon would solve virtually every problem of human existence. He made this claim in 1991 in a campus newspaper.  Stating that a Moonless Earth wouldn't wobble, eliminating both the seasons and its associated events like heat waves, snowstorms and hurricanes. Refutations were given toward that idea by NASA saying that part of the exploded Moon would come back as a meteorite impacting the Earth and causing sufficient damage to extinguish all life, while restoring the seasons in the process."

[Goddangit]

Pantsless?

Not at this time of year.  Brrrrr...

[Sinistar]

Not at this time of year.  Brrrrr...

especially since some weather forecasts predict a polar arctic blast again this year

[simonthezealot]

I can understand the desire to have CoH back. I'm here because I miss it and want it back too.

What I *don't* understand is the lack of interest in any of the possible successors. Why? Remember, if/when CoH get resurrected, it will be an unchanging, static world. It will be I23 forever. APR may one day replace it but that will be a long time to come and APR will not be I23, dotted eye for dotted eye, because without the source code, it can't be. So, a living, growing world will not be CoX; close maybe, but not the same.  Therefore, why not any of the successors?

Is is because you were burned by CO?
Is it because the CoX lore won't be there?
Is it because powers may not work exactly the same?
What?

I want as many of the people I interacted with in CoX to be with me wherever the new home (or homes) is. I would be disappointed if new games, possibly even a better game, were dismissed without being given a shot.

For me, it's because I feel like all of the other projects don't exactly get what was great about CoX. They might get some of it, yes, but for me, they'd need all of it. Everything in CoX just meshed together perfectly. It had good lore, the environments were interesting looking and a blast to explore, things like the enhancement system were simple, but had a lot of depth in how you could build your character, it had good sound design and music, and countless other things. I'm certainly not averse to giving these newcomers a chance (I will readily admit I have not been following VO at all, and I thus far haven't been particularly impressed with the tech-demo-like demonstrations from the City of Titans crew), but for me, personally, the chance of any of these fan-made successors even coming close to living up to the legacy of how City of Heroes stands in my mind is next to none. Is that just due to nostalgia and a longing for a game I first played over a decade ago, when I was in middle school? It's entirely possible, but it's how I feel.

I do wish all the teams working the best of luck and hope that they all make great games, it would be the best thing. But it's hard for me to be optimistic about them.

[Arcana]

Stating that a Moonless Earth wouldn't wobble, eliminating both the seasons and its associated events like heat waves, snowstorms and hurricanes.

Here's where I point out that Abian was a mathematician not an astronomer, the moon isn't the only source of rotational precession, and precession doesn't cause the seasons.  The fact that major orbital precession happens on a 26,000 year cycle is the sort of thing even a mathematician should have concluded rules out precession as a cause of the seasons, which last I checked happened on a one year cycle.  Unless you're reading this from a computer in Westeros.

[ivanhedgehog]

especially since some weather forecasts predict a polar arctic blast again this year

and you could get polaroids!!!

[darkgob]

Here's where I point out that Abian was a mathematician not an astronomer, the moon isn't the only source of rotational precession, and precession doesn't cause the seasons.  The fact that major orbital precession happens on a 26,000 year cycle is the sort of thing even a mathematician should have concluded rules out precession as a cause of the seasons, which last I checked happened on a one year cycle.  Unless you're reading this from a computer in Westeros.

Some winters in Upstate NY definitely feel like they last 26,000 years.

For me, it's because I feel like all of the other projects don't exactly get what was great about CoX. They might get some of it, yes, but for me, they'd need all of it. Everything in CoX just meshed together perfectly. It had good lore, the environments were interesting looking and a blast to explore, things like the enhancement system were simple, but had a lot of depth in how you could build your character, it had good sound design and music, and countless other things. I'm certainly not averse to giving these newcomers a chance (I will readily admit I have not been following VO at all, and I thus far haven't been particularly impressed with the tech-demo-like demonstrations from the City of Titans crew), but for me, personally, the chance of any of these fan-made successors even coming close to living up to the legacy of how City of Heroes stands in my mind is next to none. Is that just due to nostalgia and a longing for a game I first played over a decade ago, when I was in middle school? It's entirely possible, but it's how I feel.

I do wish all the teams working the best of luck and hope that they all make great games, it would be the best thing. But it's hard for me to be optimistic about them.

I have a few problems here:

1. You're calling it way too soon.  Neither game is in any kind of state where you can fairly evaluate it, especially since you can't actually play them yet (which is the only meaningful test, ultimately).
2. You're setting them up for failure.  Your litmus test seems to be "if it's not City of Heroes then it's not something I want" which is astoundingly unfair.  Will either game be the exact same as City of Heroes?  Of course not, but that's not necessarily a bad thing anyway, since CoH was not without its flaws.  Besides, just because the game is different from CoH, that doesn't necessarily mean you won't enjoy it as much as you enjoyed CoH, just for different reasons.  I keep seeing this sentiment and I really don't like it because like I said, it's extremely unfair.  I said this earlier in this gargantuan thread -- there are other games out there.
3. Up until a week ago I would have agreed with you about CoT (like you I also have not followed VO), but their latest video is definitely encouraging and certainly more than a "tech demo".  I was discouraged by MWM's efforts (or those they've made public, anyway) for a while but the past few months have definitely been a step up IMO.  They still deserve the benefit of the doubt, especially while they're at such an early stage.  At least save the bad-mouthing until Beta, eh?

[Hagis]

That be the one.  Also, he used to propose blowing up the moon to change the orbit of the Earth for some climatological reason that currently escapes me.  He was a classic example of the fact that having intelligence and being smart are subtly but significantly different.

Put another way: Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting a tomato in your fruit salad.