The Flash! (spoilers probably eventually)

[JanessaVR]

Spoiler for Hidden:

I read it as Stein not even having known what exactly happened. I mean - if you get drugged and knocked out, how clear are your memories of the time right before you lost consciousness later? I've been under general anesthesia a couple of times in my life, and my memory of the moments directly before I went under completely are not reliable, I can tell you.

For all Stein knew, Eiling knocked out Wells as well as himself. In fact if Wells is smart (and he is) I'd expect him to play it just like that. "Sorry Stein, they got me too."

Indeed.  That was how I read, too.  He didn't gloat, and covered himself with the rest of the team afterwards.

[CG]

Indeed.  That was how I read, too.  He didn't gloat, and covered himself with the rest of the team afterwards.

That's very reasonable, but I would have like to have seen it.

Probably cut for time.

[Felderburg]

Finally caught up tonight! I was behind for all this half season! Now I can finally stop avoiding this thread!

Spoiler for Hidden:

Grodd! Speed Force! Time Travel!

ArrghhrghghlL!!

You know, I'm not sure if the people behind the show really understand how problematic it is for a hero to be holding people without a fair trial.

Agreed. And the conditions they're holding them in would never do. Are they regularly fed? Do they get exercise? How about facilities? I don't see any bunks, sinks, or toilets in those cells. Changes of clothes? Visitors? How would the flash feel if his father in Iron Heights was treated like that? I guess it's one of those things we have to ignore.

Well, they can't let known dangerous people be kept anywhere else - Iron Heights doesn't have the capacity to hold them. There is a rumor on Reddit that in some interview, the show runners said it would be "addressed" at some point, but I'm not holding my breath. I thought it'd be addressed with Pied Piper, especially when he was actually talking about food, but that didn't happen.

They're already almost out of Flash villains as it is.

No way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Flash_enemies

And I bet in this alternate timeline the two people he works with will become Killer Frost and Vibe since they are named after those characters.

Who's to say it doesn't happen in the real timeline too?

And I will call it right now: Barry has to either stop himself from stopping his mom being killed or he has to kill her himself to bring the timeline back to the way it was.

Yep. I proposed that on Reddit, and one person replied that having him kill his own mom was a little dark. Which is true... so I think it'll be the tragic he stops himself option (or realizes he needs to save his younger self).

My main problem is that I think the guy playing Eddie Thawn would have been a better Barry Allen than the guy playing Barry Allen.

Looks wise? Sure, I guess. But Grant Gustin addressed that in an interview: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/flashs-grant-gustin-my-favorite-724921

If it had been a team of people that didn't know what they were doing, I probably wouldn't have gotten this role because they would have just cast a blonde guy who was buff. They were looking for somebody who encompassed the heart of Barry Allen and at first, I didn't realize I did. Now that I've explored the character, the comics, read the scripts and talked to [the producers], I understand why I got this role.

Eddie's been relegated to the sidelines, and we've only seen glimpses of him being all cheerful "Hey Barry!" which is Flash-like, I guess, but I like Grant Gustin as the Flash.

I am hoping this doesn't open the floodgates to wholesale usage. [of time travel]

Well, I think that once it turns out that you can't change the past, or can't change it without catastrophic consequences, Barry won't use it. Obviously Wells has without completely destroying things, but he's a pretty smart guy, and has to constantly make sure he hasn't mucked things up.

trickster

Spoiler for Hidden:

Mark Hamill will take on the role again, as an older terrorist, who they go to for help when a copy cat surfaces.

some meh (Weather Wizard).

He has a brother, you know.... I did see the guy who plays the first one at a con here, and talked to him briefly. I mentioned it was a bummer for him that he was cast as the one that got knocked off right away, but he said "wait and watch" (or something like that). Either he'll be back with his brother, or he'll be in flashbacks.

The Linda Park thing is making my brain twitch, however.

The peppers are what got me. If he can't get drunk, how can he feel spicy stuff? Doesn't his super healing take care of that?

Watching the show weekly, but already ordered the Season 1 Blu-Ray.

What? Where? How?

So... Why exactly was Dr. Stein hanging out near the particle accelerator with the Firestorm matrix when they turned it on?  I feel like this very relevant question has been glossed over.

Yeah, that is a good question. I've been wondering about that. It could be that he is super nerdy, and wanted to see the accelerator go off. And he knows that the military is after him, and took his notes, but he was able to hide the matrix, so he just keeps it with him at all times.

Gotta say though I prefer the brandy snifter/interspecies dating Grodd to the lives in the sewers Grodd.

I'm sure we'll get there someday.

Something else for "Fallout"

Spoiler for Hidden:

After Wells betrays Stein with the drugged whiskey, why was there no mention of this later and they seemed to be on good terms?  I suppose this was an explanation that got cut, but I'm not sure I'd be so forgiving of someone who drugged me and gave me to a homicidal army guy who tried to kill me without a really good explanation.

Even if Stein does remember "Hey, I passed out right after you gave me alcohol," it'd be easy for Wells to say "Yeah, you must've still been weak, and the alcohol hit you really hard. And then the army coincidentally came in right at that moment, and what could I do? I'm just in a wheelchair."

[hurple]

Flash Blu-Ray

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T5D4SLU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[Felderburg]

Nice! I actually just want the DVD, but Amazon is a good place for that too. I see it's a bit expensive though... but it's ok, the 90s show is not! http://smile.amazon.com/Flash-Complete-Various/dp/B004EXWGJW

Also, I just learned that there was a Witchblade series. Who knew? ...not me.

[hurple]

Nice! I actually just want the DVD, but Amazon is a good place for that too. I see it's a bit expensive though... but it's ok, the 90s show is not! http://smile.amazon.com/Flash-Complete-Various/dp/B004EXWGJW

Also, I just learned that there was a Witchblade series. Who knew? ...not me.

See Amazon's pre-order guarantee.  Order now, and when it goes on sale, you will receive it for the lowest price it was listed for between the date you pre-ordered and the on-sale date.  In other words, pre-order now for $50 and next week, for some reason, it hits $20, but on sale date it actually sells for $30.  You'll get it for $20.

[Felderburg]

See Amazon's pre-order guarantee.  Order now, and when it goes on sale, you will receive it for the lowest price it was listed for between the date you pre-ordered and the on-sale date.  In other words, pre-order now for $50 and next week, for some reason, it hits $20, but on sale date it actually sells for $30.  You'll get it for $20.

Well, sure, but if it never drops, I'm screwed.

[Excidia]

Cancel the order before the ship date.  Pre-order now and set up a reminder on Google (if you use google) to email you a week or 2 before the release date, check the price and decide if you want to pay that.  What I hate is when they drop the price a day after release date.  They'll still give you the better price but sometimes you have to pester them about it.

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[Super Firebug]

Man, they come back from hiatus, and turn everything upside down.

[doc7924]

Wow, a LOT of great reveals in this one.

And we finally get the connection with Eddie Thawne!

Of course with time travel now involved - I'm sure some of the things that happened this episode won't stick.

[JanessaVR]

Argh!  You guys must have cable.  My Amazon season pass episode won't be available until tomorrow night.

[Super Firebug]

Wow, a LOT of great reveals in this one.

And we finally get the connection with Eddie Thawne!

Of course with time travel now involved - I'm sure some of the things that happened this episode won't stick.

Yeah, "Star Trek" taught me to hate that "reset button".

[Felderburg]

Very interesting article / interview, where they talk about their own version of time travel, and making sure that it's consistent (along with other things, like how the scene between Cisco and Thawne was driven largely by the actors' decisions to play up certain emotions): http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/flash-out-of-time-reverse-flash-cisco-time-travel-115-1201454604/ http://comicbook.com/2015/03/18/the-flash-tom-cavanagh-and-andrew-kreisberg-on-the-reverse-flash/

[CG]

Yeah, "Star Trek" taught me to hate that "reset button".

Spoiler for Hidden:

If the promo for next week is correct, we'll probably correct the Captain's injury and Cisco's death, but I think there will be other consequences.  I think this is the soft introduction to time travel for later when Barry goes back and saves his mother and things get drastically different.

So, Eobard says he's from centuries in the future, but the Crisis event is in 10/20(?) years and he seems to be very invested in the Crisis being stopped by the Flash.  He also says he came back in time to kill the Flash, so I'm not sure how these statements can be rectified. 

[doc7924]

Spoiler for Hidden:

If the promo for next week is correct, we'll probably correct the Captain's injury and Cisco's death, but I think there will be other consequences.  I think this is the soft introduction to time travel for later when Barry goes back and saves his mother and things get drastically different.

So, Eobard says he's from centuries in the future, but the Crisis event is in 10/20(?) years and he seems to be very invested in the Crisis being stopped by the Flash.  He also says he came back in time to kill the Flash, so I'm not sure how these statements can be rectified. 

I was thinking the exact same thing. Him helping Barry to gain speed and then saying he went to kill him in the past doesn't jibe.

[doc7924]

Argh!  You guys must have cable.  My Amazon season pass episode won't be available until tomorrow night.

Yes. Some of us still watch programs on cathode ray tubes.

And I always Betamax my shows just in case.....

[hurple]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Him helping Barry to gain speed and then saying he went to kill him in the past doesn't jibe.

Spoiler for Hidden:

As a "time traveler" Barry can "die" in a future Crisis while being killed by Thawne in the present... Perfect, past, future present tense verbage, of course.

Plus, Thawne has never really played with a full deck.

Or, the "Flash" that takes part in the Crisis doesn't necessarily have to be Barry, does it?  Eobard Thawne traditionally hasn't wanted to just kill Barry Allen, but to also *replace* Barry Allen as the Flash. 

[Excidia]

Spoiler for Hidden:

If the promo for next week is correct, we'll probably correct the Captain's injury and Cisco's death, but I think there will be other consequences.  I think this is the soft introduction to time travel for later when Barry goes back and saves his mother and things get drastically different.

So, Eobard says he's from centuries in the future, but the Crisis event is in 10/20(?) years and he seems to be very invested in the Crisis being stopped by the Flash.  He also says he came back in time to kill the Flash, so I'm not sure how these statements can be rectified. 

Spoiler for Hidden:

I'm guessing that for him, there was a bit of time between coming back to kill Barry (failing and returning to his own time) and coming back to create the accident that created The Flash.  He probably found/figured out that without Barry to fight in the Crisis (either by sacrificing himself to stop the Anti-Monitor's machine, or some other act) his timeline is gone or has become so bad he doesn't want to live there.  Or it's possible his timeline does exist but without The Flash, Thawn never gains his powers (since his speed originates from a Flash costume).  So he's trying to create a better timeline for himself.

When they talked about the Captain's injuries, anyone else immediately think "Zoom?"  Yes, I know Singh is not Zoloman but they've been altering origins the whole show.

I read that over the weekend they announced that season 2 will include Wally West.  No mention if adult Wally through time travel, or child Wally and the possible creation of Kid Flash.  Personally hoping adult Wally.
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[Felderburg]

I read that over the weekend they announced that season 2 will include Wally West.  No mention if adult Wally through time travel, or child Wally and the possible creation of Kid Flash.  Personally hoping adult Wally.
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Spoiler for Hidden:

In a tweet or interview or something, Grant Gustin says he thinks Wally will be a "wittle teen," although how much you can rely on the main actor's tweets is up to you. I'm sure he has an idea of who the producers are casting.

Regarding Crisis:

I've maintained for a while that the crisis of the 2024 paper is just being used by Wells to confirm that the timeline remains intact. Essentially, the Flash disappearing in the Crisis means that he's done everything he's "supposed" to do, and will inspire future people (Thawne) and save the world.

Regarding Wells:

Spoiler for Hidden:

I do wonder about why he changed his mind about killing Barry. I suspect he had a good reason to try to kill him, and when he failed and killed Nora only, got trapped in the past. But since he needs Speedforce to return to his own time, he's pushing Barry to go faster and produce more of it.

[FatherXmas]

Spoiler for Hidden:

It's going to be sucks to be Barry.  He now knows how Iris feels for him yet he still won't do anything about it.  Captain, Cisco and Joe will be fine.  Barry's relationship will linger on as he tries really hard not to get near to Iris.  His secret will remain a secret from Iris but he may spill the beans that Iris's mentor is about to do a story on Wells which may get him a fatal visit by the "Man in Yellow".  Of course Iris will eventually find the files which will put here in the crosshairs.