New efforts!

[mrultimate]

I know I'll be taking many more screenshots when CoH returns than I did before.

[FloatingFatMan]

For those curious, that method is detailed here: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Kheldian#How_did_they_GET_here.3F (along with a link to an archived fiction piece by FloatingFatMan nicely illustrating the concept).

What I don't get is how they traveled between star systems before they had joined with the aliens that gave them their forms.

Oh wow! I never realised I got immortalised in the Wiki! :D

And yes, the travel BEFORE meeting Ruktur/Kurukt was a big problem for me.  It had to be either they evolved in the same system, or they can just increase their mass anyway.

[downix]

Oh wow! I never realised I got immortalised in the Wiki! :D

And yes, the travel BEFORE meeting Ruktur/Kurukt was a big problem for me.  It had to be either they evolved in the same system, or they can just increase their mass anyway.

Or they lived with just traveling at light speed.

[FloatingFatMan]

Or they lived with just traveling at light speed.

Except that they wouldn't have... Lived, that is.  Remember, unjoined Kheldians only live 8 years (another stupidhead thing about them.  Whoever thought -that- one up needs some slappage!)

We know from the lore that Khelds come from outside our galaxy (though how far out is unknown). It's  impossible for a lifeform with only an 8 year lifespan to travel the millions of light years between galaxies if its limited to light speed.  Even time dilation effects wouldn't allow it, it's too far.

[Serpine]

I seem to recall seeing one version of Recluse with an actual nose, and others where he looked more ape-like...  :P

Nose Shaping, an underappreciated Power Pool.

It's  impossible for a lifeform with only an 8 year lifespan to travel the millions of light years between galaxies if its limited to light speed.

Maybe they were breeding en route? The physics alone boggle the mind.

Or more likely most of them probably initially infested some long-lived species from their homeworlds. They never transform into it because nobody would respect them anymore if they turned into something with the size and appearance of a bald poodle with wavy eyestalks and donkey ears.

[Tubbius]

Wheee!  I now have a Fun Title.  :)

Hehehe.  Someone has a sense of humor here.

[FloatingFatMan]

Maybe they were breeding en route? The physics alone boggle the mind.

Well, it's not impossible, but personally I think it's just a case of not being thought out properly and someone just deciding "Hey, this sounds cool, let's say that."

Were it possible, I'd flesh them out properly (and retcon that stupid 8 year life span into something more believable for a being made out of energy), add in a point of origin and more information about the Nictus War and how/why the whole process of becoming Nictus was developed in the first place. I mean no disrespect to the original writers, but current lore is just too hole-y!

[HEATSTROKE]

Ooh... I just had a delicious thought.  I never got around to making a new PB after the Kheld changes were brought in...  I bet they were MUCH MUCH better than they used in the lower levels after those!  Now I know what I'll be doing if we get the game back, even if we get our chars returned to us!

By endgame, my PB will be a Tankmage.

Here I fixed that statement for you...

[AlienOne]

Oh wow! I never realised I got immortalised in the Wiki! :D

Wow, that's awesome! The only way I got myself immortalized in the Wiki was by adding a tiny contribution for /binds on the fly emote page:

http://paragonwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Guide_to_Flight_Poses&action=history

Specifically this section:

Cycle through flyposes using an in-game bind

It is also possible to bind the flyposes to a single key without having to go through the trouble of creating or loading a bind file. As with the previous examples, you have to be already flying forward to properly cycle through the flypose emotes.
For example, if you'd like to use the shift key to cycle through the flyposes without "autoflight" (as with the previous example), you would enter this bind into your chatbar:
/bind shift+w "em flypose1$$em flypose2$$em flypose3$$em flypose4"
As you are flying forward, tap the "Shift" key (without letting go of the "W" key), and your character will switch to the next flypose. Tap it again to cycle to the next flypose, etc., etc.


I should have taken more time to contribute to the Wiki back then, but I was more into making my own guide and helping people with builds....

[FloatingFatMan]

Here I fixed that statement for you...

HA! Nice! :p

Anyway, we've wandered a wee bit off course me thinks (though I do like the course), but lets try to divert it back towards something to do with getting CoH back.

I know... how about... What will you do on day 1 of relaunch, assuming that we get our existing characters back?

I will... Load up Ellie, obliterate a few villains, then go roll a new PB to try out a fresh build!

[AlienOne]

HA! Nice! :p

Anyway, we've wandered a wee bit off course me thinks (though I do like the course), but lets try to divert it back towards something to do with getting CoH back.

I know... how about... What will you do on day 1 of relaunch, assuming that we get our existing characters back?

I will... Load up Ellie, obliterate a few villains, then go roll a new PB to try out a fresh build!

We started the "what would do you if it goes back online" discourse a while back (yes, I've read all 285+ pages), and a few people thought that was off topic too....

I think at this point we're just left talking amongst ourselves until we get another update.

[downix]

Well, it's not impossible, but personally I think it's just a case of not being thought out properly and someone just deciding "Hey, this sounds cool, let's say that."

Were it possible, I'd flesh them out properly (and retcon that stupid 8 year life span into something more believable for a being made out of energy), add in a point of origin and more information about the Nictus War and how/why the whole process of becoming Nictus was developed in the first place. I mean no disrespect to the original writers, but current lore is just too hole-y!

People are forgetting the theory of relativity here. Travel at light speed, and time... stops.

No, literally, time cannot exist at light speed. The closer to it you travel, the slower time progresses for you. So, a multi-year journey is near-instant for them.

[FloatingFatMan]

People are forgetting the theory of relativity here. Travel at light speed, and time... stops.

No, literally, time cannot exist at light speed. The closer to it you travel, the slower time progresses for you. So, a multi-year journey is near-instant for them.

True, but that would then negate the need for a mass shift to generate a wormhole.

[Shadowe]

True, but that would then negate the need for a mass shift to generate a wormhole.

Nononononono.

Subjective time stops for a Kheldian travelling at light speed, so to them no time has passed, but they would still travel at 2.99792458x10^8 m/s, so it would take years to reach anywhere by the clocks everyone else uses. A wormhole allows for instantaneous travel from one place to another, making subjective time and objective time the same (zero), which is a huge advantage.

(Manfully ignores the fact that there's no such thing as objective time: read it as "time passing as the rest of the galaxy observes".)

[Serpine]

What will you do on day 1 of relaunch

Day 1? Honestly?
Probably stand around in Atlas with a torch for a while appreciating how lucky we are to have the option to login to the game again, and considering those fallen along the way who won't have that option.

I just don't expect I'll have the emotional composure to do otherwise at first.

and a few people thought that was off topic too....

When a thread includes a discussion of Meat Ingots and nobody bats an eye it become more of a forum within a forum then a single topic entity. Those tasty things will become my new benchmark for acceptable irrelevance.

[AlienOne]

Nononononono.

Subjective time stops for a Kheldian travelling at light speed, so to them no time has passed, but they would still travel at 2.99792458x10^8 m/s, so it would take years to reach anywhere by the clocks everyone else uses. A wormhole allows for instantaneous travel from one place to another, making subjective time and objective time the same (zero), which is a huge advantage.

(Manfully ignores the fact that there's no such thing as objective time: read it as "time passing as the rest of the galaxy observes".)

This sort of discourse makes me giggle with glee for some reason...

[FloatingFatMan]

Nononononono.

Subjective time stops for a Kheldian travelling at light speed, so to them no time has passed, but they would still travel at 2.99792458x10^8 m/s, so it would take years to reach anywhere by the clocks everyone else uses. A wormhole allows for instantaneous travel from one place to another, making subjective time and objective time the same (zero), which is a huge advantage.

(Manfully ignores the fact that there's no such thing as objective time: read it as "time passing as the rest of the galaxy observes".)

Sure, but why would they -bother-.. If their own method of star travel took no time for their purposes, what would be the point of doing it quicker?

[Skull Thuggery]

Except that they wouldn't have... Lived, that is.  Remember, unjoined Kheldians only live 8 years (another stupidhead thing about them.  Whoever thought -that- one up needs some slappage!)

Does the lore specify 8 Earth years?

[MWRuger]

Really, you have throw out the physics when dealing with objects moving near light speed in the physical universe. The The amount of energy to move mass at the speed of light is infinite because of the way mass acts at near light speed. Time dialtion is no answer as the slow of time is only from the position of the observer, not the traveler.

You can say they do whatever you might like them to do, but don't use Newtonian or Einsteinian physics to underpin it. Science is not pick and choose.

I suppose that if you could formulate a new theory that takes into account observable data that validates relativity and allows squidy based travel I would ask: Why wast time here? Make me a starship!

[Brightfires]

Dude, where do I know you from?!  Wherever/whenever it was obviously it's been too long for my poor memory to handle.  It's awesome to see another fellow Liberty player again :)

I'm putting together a Ritki raid for day one (assuming we get our characters back)  I hope you can make it! :)

You probably wouldn't recognize Brightfires' name. I only ran that toon (a Fire controller-) duo with one of FlyingCodeMonkey's characters. She never did anything "public", even though I used her name as my global on LB and among the Ouphs.

You'd be more likely to remember me playing Nemissary (my crazy dark defender), or one of my flock of winged-things (Palrah, Grey Kestrel, Karasu, Anima Sola, Kieranen, Summer Moon, etc.). I was almost always there for the regular MSRs that Noy and Valor ran on Fridays and Sundays, usually ended up leading one of the ranged teams on Tax's Hami raids, and participated in gods-only-know how many iTrial leagues. FCM and I were both regulars in Ukase's Sunday Underground run. I was never one of the Cool Kids, but I was fairly active with the larger-scale team things.

But yeah. We need to raid that ship. The Master at Arms is long, long overdue for a good stomping. 

"Buffs in the bowl in 5..." ;D