New efforts!

[ukaserex]

Dude, where do I know you from?!  Wherever/whenever it was obviously it's been too long for my poor memory to handle.  It's awesome to see another fellow Liberty player again :)

I'm putting together a Ritki raid for day one (assuming we get our characters back)  I hope you can make it! :)

Just be sure to coordinate, lol. I imagine there will be an MoUGT, and possibly an attempt at The Really Hard Way.

[ag88t88]

I think that we should start with the game as it was and then let the new owners share with us their plans. I can't imagine that the game could possibly remain static. Things always change, if they didn't wouldn't we still be playing?

Some changes are bad but some have been great. Super side kicking? So much better than it was before. What about the QoL changes made to the logout screen (along with others)? We can discuss changes when we actually know they exist!

Right now we know little and while I enjoy speculating, we have to keep in mind that's all it is, speculation.

It is a product of our excitement and fervor, but we shouldn't let that drown out the voices of reason.

But there are so many voices in my head... and the voice of reason tends to mumble quietly a lot. Hard to hear what that voice is saying through all the others.  I don't know if I'm the only one with this problem, maybe it's just me.   

[Fanta]

ummm.....

Did you say that on purpose?

Where did I say Disney was buying the game? I stated Disney was buying Star Wars as an illustration to answer the question "why would someone want to buy an established property?"

smh....Is everyone incapable of understanding examples/illustrations?

The thing is, and I think we're all aware, that this is a small group of investors that know the game. There is no agenda that we know of. More speculation!

[CoyoteSeven]

Now look what's happening. In a few pages, we'll be inundated with posts talking about Disney's acquisition of Star Wars. Just watch!

[BadWolf]

Disney is not putting Mickey Mouse in Episode VII

...that we know of.

"Well, gawrsh, Luke! It shure does look like the new Death Star has two of them there dents in it!"

"Those aren't dents, Goofy. That's where the ears socket in."

"Ya mean....?"

"Yes, I'm afraid so. It's Mickey's Death Star Clubhouse."

"GAWLLY!"

[Wyrm]

Now look what's happening. In a few pages, we'll be inundated with posts talking about Disney's acquisition of Star Wars. Just watch!

Wait, are you saying George Lucas is one of the investors trying to buy City of Heroes?*

Dibs on "Statesman Shot First" name for a DP blaster!  Ooh, ooh, and "Whiny Farmboy" with the lightsaber-looking katana!

* = No.  No one is saying that.

[Cailyn Alaynn]

I'd just like to point out that Disney bought Marvel. Everyone panicked about the purchase... and then they made The Avengers.

[PSI-on]

Winners!

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Gah, I'm so glad I got a box of cookies at Winne Dixie yesterday, mmm

[CoyoteSeven]

I'd just like to point out that Disney bought Marvel. Everyone panicked about the purchase... and then they made The Avengers.

What if Disney decides to merge the Marvel and Star Wars universes together?

[AlienOne]

This analogy doesn't translate all that well. I also don't agree with the premise but let's start with the analogy.

For one thing, games like CoH are subscription or micro transaction based, which means people have to want to keep playing it for it to really make money. It's not like a movie where you pay the money, go in and that's it, like it or not it's over and the company got it's money.  If you make a product like City of Heroes and people don't like it, they will stop paying for it and there won't be much point in having it.  So to assume the Devs are just doing this as a naked short term cash grab doesn't make a whole lot of sense, it'd be a lot of time to waste just to put something out there for people to spend only a little money on to find it's not good because the new devs didn't care enough to make it good or make it feel like the original.

Of course there is also the fact that CoH doesn't have anywhere near the kind of fanbase Star Wars does. Sure CoH did well for itself and might be known in the gaming community, but it doesn't have the kind of massive appeal Star Wars does, and two years after the game went offline there are even less of us who still are rabidly into the game. So any amount of effort to purchase this IP as an attempt to be milking an existing fanbase would be silly considering that despite how devoted we are, there just aren't enough of us who are chomping at the bit for CoH that would sink money in it blindly for some shoddy game with the CoH name on it to make money. 

Secondly, the assumption that Disney bought the Star Wars franchise only because there is an existing fanbase that will blindly buy tickets for the next movie doesn't hold up. Disney wants to do a trilogy of new Star Wars movies, and if they don't care and just throw any kind of mess on screen, they damage their ability to sell tickets the next time around.  Ohh sure there are some die hard Star Wars fanatics out there who will go see all 3 regardless, but there are a lot more people who wouldn't bother with the rest of the trilogy if the first one is horrible.  It's in Disney's best interest to do as good a job as they can on the first couple and make them feel appropriately like "Star Wars" because if they don't they damage their own movie sales. So the idea they are buying the IP and spent Billions to do so just to throw a pie at the screen knowing Star Wars fans will buy it up, only works as a short term goal, when they stand to make a lot more money on ticket sales, future movies, merchandising etc if everyone likes the film.

So this idea that the new mystery group is going to spend Months buying the CoH IP and game and go through negotiations to get all this stuff back, just to get the CoH name so they can throw any old thing in a new engine and call it CoH2 and hope they they are just going to get millions of dollars from the fanbase before we all catch on that it's not good, or not in the spirit that made CoH popular, is really cynical but just also not very realistic.  There just is no way the CoH name is such a draw that they'd make a shoddy new game without caring and think that they'd make some huge immediate profit off of it.

Ohh it's possible that is their plan, but it's not at all likely. For them to do what they are doing they have to want it, they have to really believe in CoH as a brand and IP to do what they are doing now with this kind of money and effort.  I personally think that deserves giving them at least some faith or credit until we see what they do if\when they get the game and have some time to work on it.

I was simply replying to the question "Then why would they want to buy something that's already a proven success"... That is a valid reason why a company would do that--to "scoop up" a fanbase. I'm not saying that CoH has as big of a fan base as Star Wars or anything of the sort. It's simply an analogy.

Why do you think Hollywood chose to make a Transformer movie? Or any movie that already has a proven, loyal fan base? Yes, it sounds negative, but it really is just business.

It's not automatically a bad thing to want to make money. You can make money "off of" your customer base as long as they feel they got a good return for their investment. You can't make money "at the expense of" your customer base, because then, you ruin your reputation.

I do not think this new team is anything BUT honorable in their intentions, because I trust what Ironwolf says, and I trust the fact that (as Ironwolf says) "they are us." I would MUCH rather a team of dedicated fans buy the game than a team of people who had no idea what makes CoH so special to its fanbase. I think this team understands it, and that's why they are feeling the pressure. I don't think they should put too much pressure on themselves, but it's an inevitable part of trying to get back something you love for not just yourself, but for a lot of other people.

Also, Fanta...it's all good. No hard feelings.

[Fanta]

Now look what's happening. In a few pages, we'll be inundated with posts talking about Disney's acquisition of Star Wars. Just watch!

Great idea to take the pressure off!

[HEATSTROKE]

i knew this thread was going to hit 250 today.. I just knew it..

[hurple]

What if Disney decides to merge the Marvel and Star Wars universes together?

Whoa!  Disney is buying CoH and going to merge it with Marvel Heroes and Star Wars Online?

Is that what you're saying?

Bwah-ha-ha-ha!

[Battlechimp]

What if Disney decides to merge the Marvel and Star Wars universes together?

I'm just really hoping that Luke and Spider-man will eventually team up in a Kingdom Hearts game, sine they're now both apart of the Mouse House

[PSI-on]

The thing is with the best and fastest programmers on it porting the original over would take 18-24 months. In the meantime we will have the original running - but likely with no development. After 2 years of no new releases - the population will start to drift away.

If they can fill that void with excitement for CoH2 - with the same gameplay, advanced graphics and have it more easily developed in the future....everyone wins.

I don't know what to say to that. It's been two years NOW. more or less, with no new releases for it and we're STILL here :D . While we might not capture too many new people, who aren't already friends and loved ones, and keep them without new releases (as if the game after like 8 years didn't have enough content to keep them busy for at least two....and if it somehow didn't cause they burn through it too fast and then got bored I doubt they would have stayed too long either way so meh) WE (the ones who want it back and have been holding on to hope and standing by each others side) won't be going anywhere, even if the game goes another 12 years without new releases...at least you can count on me for that much. I want to go home and I have every intention of staying where I belong.

[Black Gold]

I have the urge to post "Who's up for a BaF?"

[Fanta]

I was simply replying to the question "Then why would they want to buy something that's already a proven success"... That is a valid reason why a company would do that--to "scoop up" a fanbase. I'm not saying that CoH has as big of a fan base as Star Wars or anything of the sort. It's simply an analogy.

Why do you think Hollywood chose to make a Transformer movie? Or any movie that already has a proven, loyal fan base? Yes, it sounds negative, but it really is just business.

It's not automatically a bad thing to want to make money. You can make money "off of" your customer base as long as they feel they got a good return for their investment. You can't make money "at the expense of" your customer base, because then, you ruin your reputation.

I do not think this new team is anything BUT honorable in their intentions, because I trust what Ironwolf says, and I trust the fact that (as Ironwolf says) "they are us." I would MUCH rather a team of dedicated fans buy the game than a team of people who had no idea what makes CoH so special to its fanbase. I think this team understands it, and that's why they are feeling the pressure. I don't think they should put too much pressure on themselves, but it's an inevitable part of trying to get back something you love for not just yourself, but for a lot of other people.

Also, Fanta...it's all good. No hard feelings.

I get where you're coming from! We don't see things much differently. Everyone have their perspective. No worries :D

Edit: We'll be doing the first speed ITF when were back! Even if it's just the two of us!

[Super Firebug]

I have the urge to post "Who's up for a BaF?"

I just didn't have the patience for task forces, trials, etc. But I'd volunteer in a heartbeat if it meant getting the game back.

Speaking of which, are we there yet??

[Fanta]

Whoa!  Disney is buying CoH and going to merge it with Marvel Heroes and Star Wars Online?

Is that what you're saying?

Bwah-ha-ha-ha!

Stop it or you'll get a time out!

[CoyoteSeven]

I just didn't have the patience for task forces, trials, etc. But I'd volunteer in a heartbeat if it meant getting the game back.

I'm totally gonna go to the AE and play all those Willy Wonka arcs again... uhm, that is, if all the AE content got preserved and was able to be brought back online along with everything else. Sigh.