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Started by Ironwolf, March 06, 2014, 03:01:32 PM

Groundbreaker

Can I just say getting the game back is the best news I heard last year. I am somewhat saddened that we aren't back in city yet but I'm still looking forward to once again embracing the catch phrase of all scrappers. "you guys go ahead. I'll catch up when my rez is back"
"We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing" - George Bernard Shaw

MaxEternal

Quote from: Flamazing Sally on January 23, 2015, 06:24:32 PM
To Ironwolf and all the other heroes working to get our game back, THANK YOU!.

If NCSoft is involved....I DON'T CARE
If I must start all over....I DON'T CARE
If I must pay to play....I DON'T CARE

I just want to fly in my City and protect the citizens from the evil bad guys.
I love this game and sorely miss it.

Keep up the good work, Ironwolf.

This is exactly how I feel too.

  I can't say for certain but from the length of this thread and by the traffic it shows I would venture to say there are many others too who don't post much but read these forums all the time that feel exactly the same way.

Burnt Toast

I'm proud to be a CoH fanboy. Fanboy is used as a negative saying by a lot of people, but in all honesty you kind of have to be a fanboy of CoH to still be going on about it after 2 years :) Fanboy to me is just someone who is committed, supportive, and loyal to the CoH brand and it's community. So while others use the term as a disparaging remark... I say let your fanboy flag fly... :)


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kiario

Hello everybody!

Its cold and its Winter so lets chill a bit with moomin :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tio_ZmHf4Y

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Prism Almidu

Quote from: kiario on January 23, 2015, 09:15:41 PM
Hello everybody!

Its cold and its Winter so lets chill a bit with moomin :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tio_ZmHf4Y

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Read that as "Moon Moon" at first...

Mistress Urd

Quote from: Ironwolf on January 23, 2015, 12:13:25 PM
I am just curious for those who want the game so badly - but don't want to pay for it - how in your mind will the new company get enough money to pay off the investment and keep the servers running?

I really am curious, this new company has never had a dime of your money.

This is why I am playing the sub based Eve Online and shun "F2P" type MMOs. If I do bother with a F2P game I'll just go on a refuse to ever pay a dime.

Should CoH come back I am going to look over very carefully how they plan to fund the game. CoH's hybrid F2P was rather generous, too generous IMHO. I am a huge fan of the game I wanted them to collect money but most of what I wanted to do in the game I could as a Freemium. There was very little reason for me to pay sub fees.

Whatelse73

Quote from: Ironwolf on January 23, 2015, 01:58:13 PM

The company running the old game is completely independent. They are paying to get the software, run the servers and maintain the Classic game. They will need money to do this unless the federal government decrees that CoH is too big to fail and bails it out - while with the insanity we have in Washington makes this remotely possible, don't count on it.


I have a better idea.  We enroll CoH into Community College and it'll be free!

Twisted Toon

Quote from: Aggelakis on January 23, 2015, 07:14:46 PM
So...I don't know if Ironwolf got another tidbit since Downix's announcement, but as of Downix's announcement and for several of his posts after that (sorry Ironwolf, you're not "the horse's mouth" anymore), NCsoft isn't interested in leasing the IP. NCsoft is interested in SELLING the IP. That means after the sale, NCSoft has no vested interest in the IP and cannot ever take it away. It belongs to the holding company. Forever. Or until the holding company sells it. (and the likelihood that ANOTHER company would want to buy a third-hand game is pretty damn low...so...)

My understanding of the Original Post was that NCSoft was going to sell the IP and not lease it. I'm glad I'm not the only one that was a little confused by all the leasing talk. Of course, the negotiations are not finished yet, so Leasing might still be a possibility. But, as far as I'm concerned, NCSoft will be selling the IP to the holding company and maybe providing an adviser (much like the military will occasionally provide an adviser to the director/producer of a movie that has a strong military theme. Although, I'm sure that the Avenger's didn't have a military adviser because the military couldn't figure out how S.H.I.E.L.D. would fit into the governmental structure).
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brothermutant

Pretty happy they are even considering letting us have the game again. Miss flyin/leapin/portin in AP.

Aggelakis

Quote from: Twisted Toon on January 23, 2015, 10:41:37 PM
(much like the military will occasionally provide an adviser to the director/producer of a movie that has a strong military theme. Although, I'm sure that the Avenger's didn't have a military adviser because the military couldn't figure out how S.H.I.E.L.D. would fit into the governmental structure).
On the contrary: Billy Budd was the military adviser & Patrick Cullen was his assistant, and Christopher Gilbertson & Freddie Joe Farnsworth were the military technical advisers. (Amazing what IMDB knows.)
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darkgob

Quote from: Twisted Toon on January 23, 2015, 10:41:37 PM
(much like the military will occasionally provide an adviser to the director/producer of a movie that has a strong military theme. Although, I'm sure that the Avenger's didn't have a military adviser because the military couldn't figure out how S.H.I.E.L.D. would fit into the governmental structure).

S.H.I.E.L.D. is an intelligence agency, not that complicated or unusual apart from their possession of super-tech and super-powered agents.

JanessaVR

Quote from: darkgob on January 23, 2015, 11:59:26 PM
S.H.I.E.L.D. is an intelligence agency, not that complicated or unusual apart from their possession of super-tech and super-powered agents.
For an intelligence agency, they seem to possess a rather high number of ground troops, their own incredibly advanced air force, and numerous WMDs.  Has someone told them their focus is supposed to be intelligence?  I'm not sure they got that memo.

duane

The memo was intercepted, modified and sent along.  Continue as you were.

darkgob

Actually, looking into it I think SHIELD is supposed to be under UN jurisdiction (although naturally this has been inconsistent over the years because comic books).

Ohioknight

Quote from: Twisted Toon on January 23, 2015, 10:41:37 PM
I'm sure that the Avenger's didn't have a military adviser because the military couldn't figure out how S.H.I.E.L.D. would fit into the governmental structure).
Quote from: darkgob on January 23, 2015, 11:59:26 PM
S.H.I.E.L.D. is an intelligence agency, not that complicated or unusual apart from their possession of super-tech and super-powered agents.
Quote from: JanessaVR on January 24, 2015, 12:03:57 AM
For an intelligence agency, they seem to possess a rather high number of ground troops, their own incredibly advanced air force, and numerous WMDs.  Has someone told them their focus is supposed to be intelligence?  I'm not sure they got that memo.

Well, (ahem), in the original 1980's article where I proposed the renaming of S.H.I.E.L.D to be 'Strategic Hazard Intervention Espionage and Logistics Directorate' (now the official Marvel Comics name.... hi, folks)  I pointed out that S.H.I.E.L.D. was probably a creation of international treaty organizations (ie: NATO, SEATO, OAS, etc) created to specifically deal with non-state STRATEGIC threats (such as Hydra, which was shown to have it's own Warships and Bombers -- not to mention things like Galactus or the Celestials) by a combination of covert intelligence and direct interdiction.  Back then, we didn't call 25 guys armed with box cutters a strategic threat, but the Earth in the Marvel Universe faced fairly extreme challenges beyond a simple strategic force of nuclear payload ICBMs under military control.

The movie/TV version (Strategic Homeland Intervention Enforcement and Logistics Division -- a merger of the original name and mine with 'Homeland' added for currency) still seems to serve the same function with the same international operations, so I would imagine a string of complex international agreements allowing them to operate in each country.

But perhaps I digress from discussion of the game's revival.
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Twisted Toon

Quote from: Aggelakis on January 23, 2015, 11:03:18 PM
On the contrary: Billy Budd was the military adviser & Patrick Cullen was his assistant, and Christopher Gilbertson & Freddie Joe Farnsworth were the military technical advisers. (Amazing what IMDB knows.)

Maybe it was a different movie I had gotten that information about...

My understanding was that the military didn't want to advise (not that members of the military couldn't advise as private citizens) because SHIELD didn't conveniently fall under auspices of a government agency. But, the military has no problems with movies that deal with alien invasions (Independence Day).

The only reference that I saw about any military personnel being attached to the movie, btw, was "The crew hired 25 members of the Ohio based 391st Military police force battalion for the attack on New York city scene to add realism for the battle." My search-fu is weak though.

Also, my sleep-fu is weak.

So, I can't brain today. I have the dumb.  :P
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blacksly

Quote from: Aggelakis on January 23, 2015, 07:47:02 PM
Not joking, guys and gals, I will start deleting posts if we don't stop treating each other as enemies. We all want the game back. Don't call people trolls, don't call people fanboys, don't say people have an agenda (other than...getting the game back)... just stop.

Bring the hammer down, Aggy! Bring It DOWN!!!

Surelle

Hopefully as long as the group running i23 CoH Classic keeps their expenses down as low as humanly possible (No GMs in-game, etc.),  then CoH Classic will stay up and running.  Players just have to go in with open eyes, and keep the list of demands down.  There's no sense putting off the few people left in this world who care enough to bring CoH Classic back to us so that they throw in the towel.

The server cluster that hosted all the virtual servers like Freedom, Virtue, Liberty etc. must be pretty old now; I wouldn't think it would sell for very much compared to something that could host, say, Unreal 4.  The big thing for Team Hail Mary will be getting accurate costs for hosting, billing, a new launcher, etc. up front and leaving nothing out.  This is a HUGE undertaking for them, and being that they're a small newbie startup, all eyes are going to be on them.  Heck, Garriott will probably try something similar with Tabula Rasa (not to mention perhaps NetDevil for Auto Assault) if all goes well.  I don't understand how people who clearly are not going to play CoH Classic when it relaunches with a new server bill still stick around here and make post after post ruffling feathers.  Shouldn't they be spending their time on something more productive, or at least on a game they're actually playing?  We need to give Team Hail Mary our support. 

But wouldn't it be cool if this all panned out even from the perspective of other downed MMOs possibly following suit and getting rezzed?  Five years from now, hosting shuttered MMOs from their closure images could become a new standard!  Heaven knows the new MMOs aren't filling the void, as they bomb one after another (even ESO is going B2P this March).....

Ankhammon

Quote from: Aggelakis on January 23, 2015, 07:21:29 PM
Downix hasn't posted anything since October 24, so anything that has been said has to be taken with a grain of salt. It's second, possibly third-hand.

Every assertion I've put forth is at least 5th hand information and I freely admit it.

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Felderburg

I'm still wondering what will keep whoever is in charge of the IP wanting to lease it to the producers of the perpetual I23 CoH. NCsoft or not, if they pull that permission, it's game over, man.


There may have been "support" in that there were a few advisors and personnel, but journalism actually states that the military was a bit unclear as to who SHIELD reported to, and therefore didn't support it with as much gusto as, say, Iron Man:

http://screenrant.com/the-avengers-u-s-military-shield-contr-170280/
http://www.wired.com/2012/05/avengers-military/
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=59303
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