New efforts!

[Golden Girl]

I'm too old to be this excited about the return of a computer game!

Not when it's CoH ;)

[Husk]

I just re-installed Mids char planner and had a play around with it.....god I want CoH back sooo bad lol gonna make my self ill if i'm not careful.
I had a major nose op 2 days ago so this thread is my medicine and boy is it working :)
Never felt so happy or optimistic haha.

I just realised too that I have bought a gaming laptop since CoH closed,so I can play it downstairs while I spend "quality time" with my wife.

*Quality Time = me on laptop while wife watches QVC or some chick flick :)

Before I forget many tnx to the people trying to make this happen.....you are blessed.

I threw $800 at the CoT Kickstarter (my first ever kickstarter lol) so I guess I shall be throwing pretty much the same at CoH when it returns :)

[OzonePrime]

Not when it's CoH ;)

Yes! And we will get our City back!
Because, we
Never Give Up! Never Surrender! :)

[Husk]

Please let it be soon. I've spent the afternoon pouring through the saved image of the old coh boards working out what to roll first when it comes back. I'm too old to be this excited about the return of a computer game!

I shall be rolling a Plant/Kin Troller first and probably an Ill/Rad troller second closely followed by Earth/Storm troller then a trapper ;)

[mrultimate]

Not when it's CoH ;)

+1

[MWRuger]

I'm sorry you took offense to it. There is still a similarity. I'm going to assume you're a smart person and I won't give you the definition of "similarity." People use examples of similar things all the time to make points or even to tell stories to better relate to an audience. In fact, you could say the example I used connected with certain members of the (reading) audience TOO much. It was simply too effective to certain members of the audience, and that overwhelmed the actual point being made at the time.

One could say "gaining new powers in a game because you've gained experience is 'similar' to real life where you gain new abilities to deal with various situations due to gaining....experience!" But, people such as yourself would retain a "single vision" and say "NO! IT CAN'T BE SIMILAR, BECAUSE ONE IS DIGITAL AND ONE IS REAL LIFE!"

What you're missing is... You're equating the word "similar" with "the same." Of course they're not the same. They're......similar. (cue definition of similar)

If you can't see that the differences between a MMO character and a Real Person are far greater than the similarities, then I can't help you.  It isn't effective at all if people stop listening to anything you say because you are offensive. But I think you enjoy the dance more than actually trying to resolve anything.

I said I'd be ok with the knowledge that people may have the same exact build as me--as I already experienced that due to writing a guide containing builds that were exactly like the ones I used. I'm ambivalent to someone having a "copy" of my character. Meaning, "I don't care."

A fine point especially as you were quote someone who suggested exactly that. A natural deduction based on the quote and your post. But a build is only part of character and again, not the same thing at all. So you wouldn't support everyone's character being up for grabs if that was the only way to get your 50's back? Just yes or no please.

Then, since you misunderstood my stance on the issue, perhaps your "case study" was flawed, since you asked them a different sort of question than I would have. ;)

I asked them the same one I asked you: If the only way to get your 50's back was to allow anyone who wanted to claim them the opportunity. would you find that acceptable. They did not. I await your "yes or no" answer.

You'll find that if you go through all the pages of this thread (and the other one Ironwolf created), the majority of players posting would, given the choice between getting their characters back or starting fresh, would overwhelmingly choose getting their characters back. I am with the majority here. Most people want the data they spent so much time for back.

I've been reading and posting on this thread since March 13th. I have read every post. I agree with them. I want my characters back as well. I just don't want them back at the expense of the game. "What does it profit a man to gain the world but lose his soul?"

If we can get them back in a secure way, that doesn't break the game, of course I want them. Good god man, I had over a hundred of the damn things. Billions of Inf, Purples, 2 or 3 dozen LotG, extra stealth procs and so yes, if I can get that back I'd like it.

But not if it means that everyone else can take one of characters. Even if you strip out all the wealth and inventory, I don't want a copy (not even one) of my character (not just the build) running around. Is that clear enough for you?

[PSI-on]

I have had some contact from other games that closed. I explained what Earth and Beyond did - they ignored EA and just put the game out. I explained what I did to start it - was gather information on who was around the company who was now gone that might be free to talk. I then started fact finding and dispelling myths. Sherlock Holmes had the idea - once you have eliminated all possibilities whatever left is the truth whether improbable or not.

The truth really was NCSoft closed the game to concentrate on the merger with Nexon. They made a decision to pass on a couple million dollars to consolidate Billions. I don't want to open a huge NCSoft hate thread - we have plenty of those. Once at that stage - I could see that they did talk to buyers, they refused some and on one the deal fell through. The very fact that after the deal fell through they immediately tried to find another buyer told me NCSoft must still be willing to sell. I got past the emotional part and looked at the Business part. You must make NCSoft happy before they sell. If you look at my earlier posts I was laying out what type of organization NCSoft would want to see before they sold it.

The game will be restored, if not now - soon.

You forgot the tm after soon <3 Oh, that takes me back

[Antovaras]

I would vastly prefer being able to get my character data and account data back.

If I could pick one to get back, I would prefer my account data (vet and market unlocks, game edition codes, costume con codes, etc.). My characters can be recreated, half of the fun for me was making characters (that's why I had over 100 characters and only 5 50s - one of which was my ex's and another of which was PL'd via level pact). It would make me very, very sad to lose my account data. Very sad. I spent an embarrassing amount of money on City of Heroes. :-[

I would start over with nothing if it came down to it. And I'd spend money to get much of the account stuff back. But I would be very, very sad panda. :'(

Exactly the same for me, my 1142 badges all my shinies, all my cool widgets and costumes... All gone. But none of that would stop me screaming for joy form the roof top. Why? Because I'd be home...

[Mindscythe]

According to my students, I'm old. According to my wife, I'm not. Regardless...

Paragon was my online home, and I want my home back.

Start over, don't start over, have vet rewards and badges, don't have vet rewards and badges, have AE, don't have AE, have the auction market, don't have the auction market... none of that matters.

I want my home back.

Everything else is, as Kansas so melodically stated, "dust in the wind."  8)

[MWRuger]

Honestly from day 1 I have made the assumption that we would succeed.

I never let it enter my head that we would fail. This effort is well along the path and all of the failed efforts I have data from added further information on how to proceed the next time. If this one fails - did I mention 3 other studios contacted me? This will be done by either this effort or another one.

I have zero doubt in it happening as contrary to what may have floated at one point, NCSoft is open to talks. The problem is it is a HUGE company and you have to find the right guy to get in the door. We have that guy and it is in his hands. Outside of the first Paragon buyout attempt they did not have the main contact. NCSoft is huge and mainly impersonal, what happened with the first effort and people involved is highly  unlikely to impact this effort with different folks.

This is beyond...anything I can say. Thanks for taking point on this.

[mrultimate]

According to my students, I'm old. According to my wife, I'm not. Regardless...

Paragon was my online home, and I want my home back.

Start over, don't start over, have vet rewards and badges, don't have vet rewards and badges, have AE, don't have AE, have the auction market, don't have the auction market... none of that matters.

I want my home back.

Everything else is, as Kansas so melodically stated, "dust in the wind."  8)

+1

[Fanta]

This is beyond...anything I can say. Thanks for taking point on this.

You know he wants this to happen. If not, he'll have to put up with us on the next attempt!  ;D

[mrultimate]

You know he wants this to happen. If not, he'll have to put up with us on the next attempt!  ;D

I can only imagine all of the /t's Ironwolf will get the day CoH is back....... :P

[Super Firebug]

I can only imagine all of the /t's Ironwolf will get the day CoH is back....... :P

Hey, I HAVE suggested that the Atlas statue be retooled to look like him....

[PSI-on]

Hey, I HAVE suggested that the Atlas statue be retooled to look like him....

I don't know about that one, but as far as player go I'd love to see some of the Generic ones replaced with him and Ascendant perhaps.

[duane]

I can only imagine all of the /t's Ironwolf will get the day CoH is back....... :P

If everything irrevocably dies today and the game is dead dead absolutely dead:  thank you TODAY for trying iron woof and THANKs the team(s) out there that tried. 

[AlienOne]

If you can't see that the differences between a MMO character and a Real Person are far greater than the similarities, then I can't help you.  It isn't effective at all if people stop listening to anything you say because you are offensive. But I think you enjoy the dance more than actually trying to resolve anything.

So, this is where you change your argument. We weren't talking about the number of differences, we were talking about similarities. I wasn't making a statement that there were "more" or "less" differences or similarities--I was making a statement that there were simply...similarities. You just can't seem to admit to simple facts, so I can understand how you'd resort to putting words in my mouth or switching tactics to make it seem like I was arguing something I wasn't.

I guess I will have to post it:

sim·i·lar
ˈsimələr/Submit
adjective
adjective: similar
1.
resembling without being identical.


Resembling without being identical. That means there can be differences. That means there can be MANY differences. You know what it also means? It can resemble it. There is a symbolic similarity between breaking a precious treasured piece of china and tearing a relationship apart. Hence, the saying "you broke my heart." Can a heart literally shatter like glass? Is a human heart made out of china? Obviously not. So, why say something as illogical as "you're breaking my heart?" One says it to illustrate a point. To draw....get ready for it.....similarities between one thing happening and another thing happening to better relate to the person/audience you are speaking to so they can understand better.

Are they the same thing? No. Do they have many differences? Yes. Are there more differences than similarities? Most likely. So, why do people use that expression? Probably because the obvious differences are irrelevant.

That was my previous point.

Now, I've already admitted that the illustration/example didn't work as intended. That's a given. It hit someone too close to home. For that, I apologized. However, this does not have anything to do with the fact that they are, indeed similar.

I realize that anyone who is emotionally tied up in a disagreement may completely disregard facts with hands over their ears and a screaming "LALALALALALALALAAA!!!" but, the fact remains... There are similarities.

There are a lot of similarities between real life and an MMO like City of Heroes. Why do you think some people play the game? They are creating an embodiment of themselves. An "idealized" virtual representation of what they'd like to be like as a hero. Not everyone does this (everyone plays for different reasons), but a good many of them do--particularly RPers.

A complete Master's degree dissertation could be written on the similarities between games/game mechanics and real life.

A fine point especially as you were quote someone who suggested exactly that. A natural deduction based on the quote and your post. But a build is only part of character and again, not the same thing at all. So you wouldn't support everyone's character being up for grabs if that was the only way to get your 50's back? Just yes or no please.

So, does quoting someone mean that I am them? That I embody their words and their opinion?

Could it be that quoting someone is used to provide reference for my own opinion? Or a reference for a response?

Is it really time for a /facepalm?


Your hypothetical situation, although highly illogical, is an interesting one. I'm not sure if it's been stated anywhere that "if character data were to be offered, everyone would get a chance at everyone else's characters."

But, I'll bite. No, I wouldn't want the cost of getting one of my characters to be that everyone else gets exactly the same character--unless it were a situation where everyone (everyone who joins in the beginning) gets a choice of ONE fully IO'd hero and that's it. Meaning, if someone wanted to opt for getting a copy of one of my heroes as opposed to getting one of their own heroes... Then, I think that wouldn't break the game. Everyone would essentially just have one 50 to start out--regardless of which 50 they chose.

Do I think this is the "best" scenario? Absolutely not. I've stated before that the issue isn't getting a level 50 right off the bat... It's about losing all the things we previously took the time to unlock and pay for. That's it. No hidden agenda. No "screw the game if I can't have my chars back!" No negative language. Just a simple request.

If you can't understand that (after a third explanation), I'm not exactly sure what to do for you.

[Ironwolf]

Hehe, why do you think we're doing it?  I loved it when they added the save/load option for costumes and custom powers!

To Ironwolf:  would the mystery people allow you to their their Plan Z strategy with us?  Their plan if/when they decide to move on to bigger and better things will definitely affect the support they receive.  They must have solidified a plan, because that's one of the things that NCSoft will want to know as well before they sell.

Please understand I didn't do this for any kind of personal recognition. I did it because it had to be done. People who know me would tell you I am an eternal optimist. I am just what my title says Stubborn as an Elite Boss. When the game is secured I do not want in any possible way to steal the thunder from the new owners.

They are putting money, time and their future into this. I want them to have every accolade that we can give them and other than expressing the desire for CoH2 - I don't want to take away from them any of the happy news they will get to spread. I have not asked them - I know it sounds strange but I trust them. I know them as they are part of us and they get what we need. I have never met them or spoken voice to voice but I hear them in what they are trying to do 2 years later.

A very famous man said - By their works you shall know them - I really do know them. They listened to me a guy with nothing but some information I dug up and took a chance - because otherwise the game had no chance. The TF Hail Mary was basically dead. I was scrounging to try and find buyers in Michigan and contacted every studio here. I then floated the possibility of doing it myself if I had to, trying to see if NCSoft would left us open source it. Now because they took a chance - we stand on the edge of a new future that may be quite soon - or a bit later - I do believe this will happen as we have far more friends in the gaming world than you can imagine. They deserve to be rewarded for that chance.

[BadWolf]

Little Johnny Tables?

Someone actually tried this as a badge name at a con last week. The databases were sanitized...but the name was too long to fit on the badge so they couldn't give it to them anyway. :)

[MWRuger]

So, this is where you change your argument. We weren't talking about the number of differences, we were talking about similarities. I wasn't making a statement that there were "more" or "less" differences or similarities--I was making a statement that there were simply...similarities. You just can't seem to admit to simple facts, so I can understand how you'd result to putting words in my mouth or switching tactics to make it seem like I was arguing something I wasn't.

I guess I will have to post it:

sim·i·lar
ˈsimələr/Submit
adjective
adjective: similar
1.
resembling without being identical.


Resembling without being identical. That means there can be differences. That means there can be MANY differences. You know what it also means? It can resemble it. There is a symbolic similarity between breaking a precious treasured piece of china and tearing a relationship apart. Hence, the saying "you broke my heart." Can a heart literally shatter like glass? Is a human heart made out of china? Obviously not. So, why say something as illogical as "you're breaking my heart?" One says it to illustrate a point. To draw....get ready for it.....similarities between one thing happening and another thing happening to better relate to the person/audience you are speaking to so they can understand better.

Are they the same thing? No. Do they have many differences? Yes. Are there more differences than similarities? Most likely. So, why do people use that expression? Probably because the obvious differences are irrelevant.

That was my previous point.

Now, I've already admitted that the illustration/example didn't work as intended. That's a given. It hit someone too close to home. For that, I apologized. However, this does not have anything to do with the fact that they are, indeed similar.

I realize that anyone who is emotionally tied up in a disagreement may completely disregard facts with hands over their ears and a screaming "LALALALALALALALAAA!!!" but, the fact remains... There are similarities.

There are a lot of similarities between real life and an MMO like City of Heroes. Why do you think some people play the game? They are creating an embodiment of themselves. An "idealized" virtual representation of what they'd like to be like as a hero. Not everyone does this (everyone plays for different reasons), but a good many of them do--particularly RPers.

A complete Master's degree dissertation could be written on the similarities between games/game mechanics and real life.


So, does quoting someone mean that I am them? That I embody their words and their opinion?

Could it be that quoting someone is used to provide reference for my own opinion? Or a reference for a response?

Is it really time for a /facepalm?


Your hypothetical situation, although highly illogical, is an interesting one. I'm not sure if it's been stated anywhere that "if character data were to be offered, everyone would get a chance at everyone else's characters."

But, I'll bite. No, I wouldn't want the cost of getting one of my characters to be that everyone else gets exactly the same character--unless it were a situation where everyone (everyone who joins in the beginning) gets a choice of ONE fully IO'd hero and that's it. Meaning, if someone wanted to opt for getting a copy of one of my heroes as opposed to getting one of their own heroes... Then, I think that wouldn't break the game. Everyone would essentially just have one 50 to start out--regardless of which 50 they chose.

Do I think this is the "best" scenario? Absolutely not. I've stated before that the issue isn't getting a level 50 right off the bat... It's about losing all the things we previously took the time to unlock and pay for. That's it. No hidden agenda. No "screw the game if I can't have my chars back!" No negative language. Just a simple request.

If you can't understand that (after a third explanation), I'm not exactly sure what to do for you.

That's Nice.