Author Topic: What's the point of this?  (Read 18935 times)

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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2013, 07:53:33 PM »
@Jaguar I was mostly referring to a shutdown situation, not a game up and running scenario. The clause would only come in to play once they decide to shutdown the actual game that way it wouldn't be a conflict of interest and it wouldn't take away any of their players while they have it up and running. I think the main reason why companies like this will continue to get support is because we really don't have a choice, well we do but it's not a reasonable one. Play or Don't Play is our only two options, and most would rather play than not, the "companies to be" know this and exploit that weakness. If only we could turn that mentality around somehow......

Ah, shutdown.

well, you hit the nail on the head with what I would of said anyways.

Yeah they have us by the balls. Well I guess it's like the reason why gas can get up to $4 a gallon on the whim. Because what are the choices? You can protest by not buying gas and potential mess up ya whole life (look, public transportation and bike riding to not an option everyone have.), or just suck it up grumble a little and pay up.


I think one way to turn around this mentality that is rampant is most realm of business is use what opportunity we have that wouldnt work in other industries. I mean a person cant just go drill in the middle of texas for oil and up and build their own refinery and make gasoline (no that corn crap and moonshine dont count here. Although nothing like a nice glass of cold good moonshine, in moderation of course. lol.)  We have an opportunity to make our own game. Now get the word out, right now it's super hero game, and those that play others, let them know that here, this is a game that will be aroudn for generations. Then, tackle sci-fi and or action oriented MMOs and do the same. Then lastly, get them on their own back door, the fantasy realm. We dont even have to gain majority just enough for the major corporations to miss.

We give players a real choice beyond play and take it and LIKE IT! Or dont play. That is how the problem is solved. You're right players really dont have no choice beyond play or dont play. It should be I can play this game over here that could be gone or I could play this game, made by small company, aint perfect but's it's growing, decent, and will be here for a while. That's a choice. But liek anything and any person when they have the power and sole power, they will not give a dang if they are the only act and procedure in town. The customers can ask begg rant plead all they wont but 90% of them wont listen just like 90% of kins wouldnt stop  giving out speed boost prior to null the gull even when ya asked them not to. But when players had a choice, most of those kins went away because they no longer had the power but in gaming company world they will either have to eventually keep up or fade away like the power hungry kins. TPP H&V and Valiance is our null the gull.  We no longer have to take it or leave it anymore. We can say fine then I'll just go over here. well of course when those games come to being.

(Speaking in theory in the following stuff)
That is why I think three is good. That way they may liek the clause but not like say TPP, maybe they will like H&V that also have the clause or hell, maybe they dont like TPP or H&V but find Valiant better but it also have the clause. Instead of one making it, they love the clause but think the game suck so rather go back and risk a game being shutdown forever but at least they are enjoying the game while it's up.

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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2013, 07:59:59 PM »
What ever new Home we find one thing is clear.  We won't be under the NCsoft or hopefully not under any Publisher Thumb.
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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2013, 08:03:56 PM »
What ever new Home we find one thing is clear.  We won't be under the NCsoft or hopefully not under any Publisher Thumb.

Yes.


I just hope and, dont think it's even a worry, that I traded a corporate ran dictator for a revolutionary dictator.

Sometimes people raise up against a cause and end up worse than the cause they was fighting for once they gain power.

Again, random thought. I dont think that will be the issue here as long as they dont ever ever ever forget what all of this is for and about andn ever forget where it started and how once at one point they was there.

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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2013, 08:17:47 PM »
Yes.


I just hope and, dont think it's even a worry, that I traded a corporate ran dictator for a revolutionary dictator.

Sometimes people raise up against a cause and end up worse than the cause they was fighting for once they gain power.

Again, random thought. I dont think that will be the issue here as long as they dont ever ever ever forget what all of this is for and about andn ever forget where it started and how once at one point they was there.
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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2013, 08:38:32 PM »
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Sometimes people raise up against a cause and end up worse than the cause they was fighting for once they gain power

Unfortunately, this is what usually happens.  Maybe not in the gaming world, but in the real world of politics etc etc.  It is more often then not that the people who rise up against the monster become just as bad if not worse.  It takes a monster to kill a monster, but then who stops that monster?

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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2013, 08:43:02 PM »
@Segev I think that idea is perfect. That is the most logical way to gain power so that we can have better options than we do now. Well said!! This is the very reason I started this thread to get people to open their eyes cause we have got to take back the power. I can't develop to save my life but I can spark interest and start brainstorming ideas that can one day lead to something! I am so ready for one of the successors to release their content so I can support that and say to hell with these big name companies. I mean don't get me wrong honestly I will play other games only to check them out and see what it's like but I will NEVER invest the time I did to another big company MMO!! Bring on the spiritual successor goodness!!

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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2013, 10:59:17 PM »
@Father what harm?? I don't get it? People were talking about a Marvel suit coming up somehow if people on a private server made toons resembling other comic heroes, is this the harm you're talking about? I honestly don't think that you could get into any kind of trouble if you ran a private server and privately made a hero/villain that resembles another from a different comic. I think the problem would be if you charged people to use your server, or somehow money was involved, or if you publicized your character. Other than that no one would know about your creation, so I don't see any harm from releasing their IP for private servers. Maybe I'm missing something could you fill me in please? I honestly feel like this is just an excuse companies use to say, this is mine and no you can't have it, but thank you for all the money you spent on it.

Lets say someone tries to fund a crowd funded scam around it or used a public server to troll for lonely tweenage girls, whatever the reason the owner will always be dragged into a legal mess.  If they condoned the creation of these private servers then they can be held liable.  So even thought the "fair" thing to do is to ignore them, their legal department may be counseling otherwise.
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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2013, 02:36:51 AM »
Mazz, I agree with you whole heartedly. I look forward to supporting the spiritual successor to our beloved COX. I already pump up the three every time I get the chance.

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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2013, 03:08:39 AM »
What ever new Home we find one thing is clear.  We won't be under the NCsoft or hopefully not under any Publisher Thumb.

I will personally never again give NCsoft a single penny of my cash - regardless of how good any of their games are.

The fallout effect from the CoH closure travesty is that I don't really trust any of the mainstream companies now.

By that I mean, I'm not in the frame of mind to commit to any current MMO in the same way that I was fully committed to CoH.

That's a bit unfair on the honest gaming companies out there but I just can't help it. The closure of CoH has been a hammer blow to me - as I'm sure it is to many others.

I'll watch with interest the development of the Plan Z projects, although I do wish that differences could be resolved and a single united game could be agreed on - instead of 2.

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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #49 on: June 01, 2013, 03:16:49 AM »
"Heroes and Villains" will be self-published, and is being set up to make it toxic to any corporate scum that might have even a slight interest in it, as well as being impossible for any single person to own or control the IP and assets.
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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2013, 03:49:37 PM »
@Golden Girl I eagerly await the return of a great super hero game!! I never knew I loved superheroes so much, I guess you don't know what you had until it's gone!! BOOOOOOOOO!!!

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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2013, 11:41:07 PM »
Golden Girl!!!!!! You, and every hard working person that making this happen.......


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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2013, 07:49:01 PM »
"Heroes and Villains" will be self-published, and is being set up to make it toxic to any corporate scum that might have even a slight interest in it, as well as being impossible for any single person to own or control the IP and assets.
This is a project by the community, for the community, forever.

How much are you willing to expand on that right now? Is it going to use some kind of creative commons magic or is it something you're cooking up independently? Are you planning on monetizing the game at all?

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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2013, 11:05:40 PM »
The game will be monetized - but in an ethical and transparent way, so it'll be unique in the MMO marketplace.
As for the IP, we're still working on the details of that, but it will also be a unique system in the world of MMOs.
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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2013, 04:48:28 AM »
All in favor of eating popcorn from a dumpster?


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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #55 on: June 11, 2013, 04:51:35 AM »
The game will be monetized - but in an ethical and transparent way, so it'll be unique in the MMO marketplace.
As for the IP, we're still working on the details of that, but it will also be a unique system in the world of MMOs.

Just tell me who to make the check out to....
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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2013, 06:28:40 AM »
Just tell me who to make the check out to....

Right now, because of the way we've set up the project, we don't actually need any funding - but when we do need a little help from the community, we'll make sure everyone knows about it.
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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2013, 06:19:25 PM »
Right now, because of the way we've set up the project, we don't actually need any funding - but when we do need a little help from the community, we'll make sure everyone knows about it.
What help might that be? Willing to help wherever my skills may be of use.

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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2013, 07:10:56 PM »
What help might that be? Willing to help wherever my skills may be of use.

Currently, technical and artistic skills would be useful to expand on the work we're doing to lay the foundations for the game.
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Re: What's the point of this?
« Reply #59 on: June 11, 2013, 11:03:04 PM »
What skills are needed?

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