Ko's Twitter 'Rant' About #COH, #SaveCOH, and What the Community is Becoming...

[eabrace]

Because if we all adopt an "oh let it flow, this too shall pass, let us all contemplate the center of the universe and forget all this" attitude, the problems for NCSoft go away and they get to pretend nothing ever happened. And that is what they want: for this problem [that THEY started] and its perpetrators - us - to go to a galaxy far, far away.

On the other hand, every time we mention NCsoft - particularly in comments following articles in which they are not mentioned by name, even if the games they are publishing are mentioned - we remind people that they are still out there.  Wouldn't it be great if we reached a point where people said, "NCsoft?  Never heard of them."

Don't get me wrong.  I'm not suggesting we forgive them.  I'd just rather see us giving them absolutely no publicity whatsoever.

[JPWright]

ANYONE can use the #COH and #SAVECOH hashtags.  There will be plenty of people who will use them IN ORDER to throw discredit on Titan and the movement.  You see a lot of that in the real world and real world causes too.  For all I know, NCSoft is paying people to try and discredit us.  It's cheaper than losing business, after all.

And that would be irony.  Isn't that what Marvel tried to do to NCSoft?

[srmalloy]

oh... ummm *redirects orbital lance from carving NCSoft hate slogans into the moon into space instead*

What? You're not using it to carve "NCSoft is the MMOKiller" into the pavement in front of their offices?   ;D

[Cobra Man]

But, you are choosing to continue to feel this way.

*60's mode
Let it flow, man. Let it flow.
/60's mode

May I ask why you want to hang on to your hate and rage so much that if it was a living breathing person you would marry it?

I am sure other players are hurt just as deeply as you say you are. Healix comes to mind immediately. But, they don't seem to hang on to that anger and hate and chew on it on a daily basis. Don't be a Bowler Hat Guy (Meet the Robinsons reference). Find a less self-destructive outlet for your anger and frustration.

I am truly trying to help you.

The only help that I need is to have CoH back up and running, although I appreciate the sentiment.

I'm angry and frustrated - which isn't hate and rage.

I'll keep focused on the goal of getting our game back :)

[Aggelakis]

Because if we all adopt an "oh let it flow, this too shall pass, let us all contemplate the center of the universe and forget all this" attitude, the problems for NCSoft go away and they get to pretend nothing ever happened. And that is what they want: for this problem [that THEY started] and its perpetrators - us - to go to a galaxy far, far away.

No one is saying to stop talking about it. No one is saying to not bring up NCsoft's stupidity where it's appropriate, and at a sane level of animosity. No one is saying you can't be mad. No one is saying you can't be hurt. No one is saying you can't try to do something about it.

But going off half-cocked, spewing hatred and vitriol over EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE that you can find that is even REMOTELY related to games, NCsoft, City, having fun, etc.... THAT IS RIDICULOUS AND UNNECESSARY.

You (generic you, the people who do that stuff, not specifically Illusionss) are painting the Save Our City group in a VERY bad light when you do that. You make us look like rageface idiots who cannot contain themselves in an adult manner. It makes us look bad. It makes people think we're just nerdraging fanbabies who had their toys taken away from them and haven't learned yet how to handle that, and instead throw a temper tantrum.

Please note that no one here has accused you (Illusionss) or you (Cobra Man) of doing that. And yet Cobra Man, at least, responds as if we are accusing you (Cobra Man) of that. Because Cobra Man isn't reading the post, he's just looking at the words and responding to what he thinks they mean.

Do you truly have that much control over your emotions, as in you sit around and consider what your emotional response to any given happening will be, and then you make sure its a positive one? I sure dont, my emotions do not wait for the decision of a mental committee before they kick in.

It's been almost six months since the announcement, and almost three months since the shut down. I have my emotions under control now. When they announced it? Cried for days. Mumbled obscenities under my breath for weeks. Had a sort of rage breakdown, honestly. When it officially closed? Cried for days. Mumbled obscenities under my breath for weeks. Had another rage breakdown, really. However, it's been three months - get ahold of yourself. If you can't control yourself after three months, you have bigger issues than NCsoft shutting down your game!

You simply cannot hold on to that level of anger in a healthy manner for that long. Eventually, it stains literally everything you do and every interaction you make.

[Cobra Man]

No one is saying to stop talking about it. No one is saying to not bring up NCsoft's stupidity where it's appropriate, and at a sane level of animosity. No one is saying you can't be mad. No one is saying you can't be hurt. No one is saying you can't try to do something about it.

But going off half-cocked, spewing hatred and vitriol over EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE that you can find that is even REMOTELY related to games, NCsoft, City, having fun, etc.... THAT IS RIDICULOUS AND UNNECESSARY.

You (generic you, the people who do that stuff, not specifically Illusionss) are painting the Save Our City group in a VERY bad light when you do that. You make us look like rageface idiots who cannot contain themselves in an adult manner. It makes us look bad. It makes people think we're just nerdraging fanbabies who had their toys taken away from them and haven't learned yet how to handle that, and instead throw a temper tantrum.

Please note that no one here has accused you (Illusionss) or you (Cobra Man) of doing that. And yet Cobra Man, at least, responds as if we are accusing you (Cobra Man) of that. Because Cobra Man isn't reading the post, he's just looking at the words and responding to what he thinks they mean.
It's been almost six months since the announcement, and almost three months since the shut down. I have my emotions under control now. When they announced it? Cried for days. Mumbled obscenities under my breath for weeks. Had a sort of rage breakdown, honestly. When it officially closed? Cried for days. Mumbled obscenities under my breath for weeks. Had another rage breakdown, really. However, it's been three months - get ahold of yourself. If you can't control yourself after three months, you have bigger issues than NCsoft shutting down your game!

You simply cannot hold on to that level of anger in a healthy manner for that long. Eventually, it stains literally everything you do and every interaction you make.

If I react in a certain way its because people like you keep making assumptions and jump to the wrong conclusion.

To say that I'm not reading the post and I'm just looking at words an responding to what I think they mean is interesting.

It shows that I may have a different opinion from you on the matter of criticizing NCsoft - and I clearly do.

You also assume again that I have been angry since the shut down.

That isn't the case at all. My anger and frustration has slowly built up over time, and unlike someone who is fuelled by rage, I know exactly why I feel this way.

I'm also not afraid to let others know that.

You need to understand that we don't all think and act in exactly the same way - nor do we all have the same opinions.

In short just because you have an opinion on something it doesn't mean yours is necessarily the only valid opinion on the matter.

There's no rage issue here and my anger is very much focused on NCsoft.

[Aggelakis]

If I react in a certain way its because people like you keep making assumptions and jump to the wrong conclusion.

To say that I'm not reading the post and I'm just looking at words an responding to what I think they mean is interesting.

It shows that I may have a different opinion from you on the matter of criticizing NCsoft - and I clearly do.

You also assume again that I have been angry since the shut down.

That isn't the case at all. My anger and frustration has slowly built up over time, and unlike someone who is fuelled by rage, I know exactly why I feel this way.

I'm also not afraid to let others know that.

You need to understand that we don't all think and act in exactly the same way - nor do we all have the same opinions.

In short just because you have an opinion on something it doesn't mean yours is necessarily the only valid opinion on the matter.

There's no rage issue here and my anger is very much focused on NCsoft.

And we are not talking about people like you, and yet you keep responding as if we are. We are talking about people who are throwing temper tantrums, and you respond like we're talking about you.

[Twisted Toon]

Because if we all adopt an "oh let it flow, this too shall pass, let us all contemplate the center of the universe and forget all this" attitude, the problems for NCSoft go away and they get to pretend nothing ever happened. And that is what they want: for this problem [that THEY started] and its perpetrators - us - to go to a galaxy far, far away.

I think the only "destruction" most people want is the destruction of NCSoft. NCSoft has THEMSELVES to blame for this, as it is their actions that have begun this [fecal matter]-storm, and not people "deciding" or "choosing" to become an army of rage-bots or whatever.

You can let go of the hate and anger without forgetting the reason behind them.
In fact, it is best to attempt to achieve with reason and a little passion, than a lot of unreasonable passion.

Do you truly have that much control over your emotions, as in you sit around and consider what your emotional response to any given happening will be, and then you make sure its a positive one? I sure dont, my emotions do not wait for the decision of a mental committee before they kick in.

As was said a few posts above this one. Controlling one's emotions and controlling one's responses to emotional stimuli are two different things.
It's a little thing called self-control. Some have to work harder at it than others.

I do recall a time when I was locked in a mental struggle  over whether I should beat the crap out of someone because they seriously pissed me off worse than NCSoft ever could. Fortunately, I resisted the urge to stuff them through a window head first. I did, however, leave work early so I wouldn't be tempted further.

If we forgive, NCSoft completely gets away with what they did to us with no negative outcome for them. That does not sit well with me. They can EARN my forgiveness.

You seem to think that in order to forgive, one must forget immediately after. That isn't how it works.
Someone commits a murder. the relative of the victim forgives that someone.
They will never forget. But, they won't let that someone turn them into a revenge plotting psychopath either.

I am not going to let NCSoft ruin the rest of my life by spending the rest of my life holding onto anger and frustration against them.
I have better things to do, like anticipate the Plan Z's that are being worked on.

[JaguarX]

I am not going to let NCSoft ruin the rest of my life by spending the rest of my life holding onto anger and frustration against them.

+1 the entire post.

(note the follwing uses of 'You" is in in general terms not directed at anyone.)
But this of the post I left quoted, yes, very important. I dont think we should allow that to happen or else then NCSOft have truely attained victory.
By all means, never forget, but dont let the hate hurt, anger consume ya. It wont hurt NCSoft one single bit but it will destroy the rest of what NCSoft could never destroy and the destiny that is in your hands.  And I'm saying this even though I dont know anyone here from the next person but for some reason I truely care about my fellow humans and dont want them to go down that deep dark long road if they dont have to. Trust me, I been there. Wasnt for a game, but the road is the same. Yes, I managed through but not all have. Luckily I had a few friends that taught me that sometimes it's best for my own health and sanity to let the hate go that been carried around since 13 and well into my early 20s and focus. It didnt happen over night and it took a minute but eventually I learned and it was the first time in a long time that I felt free. Some people didnt have someone to tell them to let go of that hate hurt and anger and some did stuff they truely regret and have 10 years or more to think about it in a place they call hell (Federal prison). Others turned on themselves and I had to attend their funeral. Others are still so angry that they drive everyone away and no one even bothers to try and understand them anymore and that in turn make them even more angry and that in turns drive more people away. While one in particular beat his wife to death with his bare hands, shot his two daughters, the dog and then himself. He lived, but lost use of half his body  and still in prison. Now I'm not saying anyone would take it that far, and doubt any here would, but the point is to not let that hate anger, hate hurt control you or really, who is actually in control of your emotions? You or NCsoft? If if you are in control of your emotions and actions then control them and put them to constructive use. If NCsoft is in control of your emotions, how about we work to get them back into your control. We all are here ( i hope but for me I am here) to help each other get through this tough time. But at the same time we have to have our poker face on and show them we can talk and is about turkey (business) on their level and act accordingly. There is a saying that people judge you by those that you associate with. Whether some peopel like it or not, when people hear SaveCOH movement they think Titan and thus actions while flying under that banner reflects on everything we are trying to do here. Lets worry about NCsoft paid people that is trying to sully our name but lets not do it to ourselves.  NCSoft might pay people to do that so lets not do it for free for them.

[Taceus Jiwede]

5 years ago when I was facing a whole storm of badness and was facing spending my twenties and thirties in prison for something I didn't even know was going on.  I truly lost all hope, not just lost part of it.  I woke up without hope, I went to sleep without hope, I ate without hope, I cried without hope.  I literally had to scrape the very bottom of my soul.  I am not just talking about being upset, grumpy ,peeved, or (insert your favorite word for angry).  I couldn't "bring out the storm" on anyone either because what I was facing was something you couldn't fight, all I could do is hope they didn't completely destroy me.  I hated the courts, I hated the people who didn't care I wasn't invovled, I hated the people who put in that position.  And I had no hope because all I had was hate.

Eventually, I let the hate go.  I had learned that hate and anger only hurt you and no body else.  No matter how much you hate some one, how much you want to destroy them.  It doesn't effect them it only effects you.  Their day continues unhindered.  Hate and anger are easy places to slip into I have been there, hell I( like all of us now)had the right to be angry! At the age of 20 my dreams and hopes were taking from me and I was told "Nope you don't get a normal life."  If I hadn't set aside all that hate I never would of gotten the hope I needed to make it through that.  In the end I guess lady luck likes me, I had a DA that saw through the B.S and wasn't going to convict an innocent man.

But that was after a year and half of soul crushing, dream ripping, all around consuming darkness and pain.  The only thing that got me through it was the fact that I had hope that someone would see the light, even though no one seemed to care for the longest time, and the lack of care didn't mean I didn't get to play my favorite MMO.  It meant I was going to prison.

Morale of the story, hating will only make this worse.  You need to put aside the hate and exchange it for hope.  Now of course this takes time, after all the body needs time to process things.

P.S- This isn't directed at one person, just a story that may help anyone who is angry put aside their anger.

P.S.S - CoH was a great escape for me when this was going on, about the only thing that held me together at some points besides my family.  So I do understand how much they have taken from us.


EDIT: Added more, wrote the first part in a rush before I was off to work.  Also Grammar, and then later again to fix me spelling Grammar wrong :P

[Cobra Man]

And we are not talking about people like you, and yet you keep responding as if we are. We are talking about people who are throwing temper tantrums, and you respond like we're talking about you.

Yes I am, but it wasn't comments made by yourself.

Anyways, I'll keep my anger concentrated on NCsoft. It was just the feeling of ... meekness I had here that riled me up a little that's all.

I'm sure we can all get along.

[Taceus Jiwede]

Yes I am, but it wasn't comments made by yourself.

Anyways, I'll keep my anger concentrated on NCsoft. It was just the feeling of ... meekness I had here that riled me up a little that's all.

I'm sure we can all get along.

NCSoft treated us like crap.  Its easy to lose your temper.  But that is what is great about CoHTitan.  Aside from brain storming and working on ways to get the game back.  We have a place to vent and get angry.  We all understand, even if we respond with anger sometimes as well.

We may be different people with different ideas, but we are all here for the same reason.  What makes us different is a minor detail compared to what makes us similar.

Bygones be bygones.  I personally apologize for losing my temper Cobra man.

[Cobra Man]

NCSoft treated us like crap.  Its easy to lose your temper.  But that is what is great about CoHTitan.  Aside from brain storming and working on ways to get the game back.  We have a place to vent and get angry.  We all understand, even if we respond with anger sometimes as well.

We may be different people with different ideas, but we are all here for the same reason.  What makes us different is a minor detail compared to what makes us similar.

Bygones be bygones.  I personally apologize for losing my temper Cobra man.

And I apologize for losing mine.

I think I'd rather concentrate on getting our game back.

[Hejist]

Ok, I've read the entire thread, and I see the point Sam/Mich is trying put across.

In, ummm, I really don't know how many yrs of CoH (actually CoV as far as I'm concerned, 100% villain and proud of it.  :P), only once was I called 'noob'. That was by a genuine noob sometime last yr, who walked up to me in Mercy Island as I was testing an MA/DA tanker and had no idea I had several lvl50s enhanced to the max etc. One with 'TRHW'. Once. ONCE! Damn me that's just unbelievable, And totally unheard of in ANY other MMO I've played, and the list isn't a small one. The CoX community has and always will be the most helpful and friendly I'll likely ever know. Now look at the in-fighting.

/slap

I too shall feel a degree of epicaricacy should NCShaft fall, if only for the forced induction of industrial change. Will NCShaft's execs remain rich if they do? Hell no...rich in is the heart of a community not in the wallets of a few executives, they will never be 'rich'.

@Twisted Toon - Red-side method?! You take that back! Some of us redsiders were very sneaky and under-handed I'll have you know (is currently plotting in silence).:P

@Arcana - Just wondering where do I sign up to the 'various amounts of deranged' club?

@Illusionss - That's DRM for ya. Digital RESTRICTIONS Management.

Just remember Sam/Mich, it's called TWITter for a reason. There's no idiot filter, so 'no brains that doesn't know when to keep their mouth shut' can post what they like sadly. And we'll never be able control the loud-mouthed 'reply to everything' brigade. You're well respected by those whose opinions you respect, so all good. :) Followers, Schmollowers.

And btw guys, after the initial 'oooh that's clever' or 'ooh shiny' has worn off, GW2 really is super boring(just an opinion). Paid for it before Black Friday, lasted less than 5 weeks. Shame really.

I am a Villain and THIS what I do.

@Ghostchase

[Cobra Man]

I would hardly call this in-fighting to be honest.

Perhaps 'minor disagreement that has been amicably resolved' might be a more accurate description?

[Twisted Toon]

I would hardly call this in-fighting to be honest.

Perhaps 'minor disagreement that has been amicably resolved' might be a more accurate description?

That is about how I would sum it up.

JaguarX and Taveus Jiwede,

  have either of you thought about counseling? With your first hand life experiences, I'm sure you would be able to relate to those with issues that need help much easier than someone like me. Not that I'm a councilor. My most recent field was Security. And my B.S. is in I.T. I've also heard all the jokes about that too.  :P

@Twisted Toon - Red-side method?! You take that back! Some of us redsiders were very sneaky and under-handed I'll have you know (is currently plotting in silence).:P

I meant no offense to those that played Red-side. I just wanted to point out that the more obvious red-side plots involving mayhem, chaos,  pandemonium, and underwear full of itching powder, were plans that were less than desired for the community image we are attempting to maintain. :)

On an unrelated note, Cool. I'm a boss. :P

[Knightslayer]

Someone commits a murder. the relative of the victim forgives that someone.

Not sure in what universe that is, but it must be one far, far away.
Over here there's currently some trials going on, one dating back over a decade ago - the other one only a few years ago.
And I can tell you, the relatives of those victims (mostly parents) have NOT forgiven those people for what they did, nor will they ever - they want the murderers to rot in a cell for the rest of their lives and will appeal any sort of insanity pleas the killers try to pull.
Mind you, there's a huge difference between the shutdown of one's favorite game and the killing of one's kids.

[Hejist]

My apologies Cobra Man, my 'in-fighting' comments certainly weren't meant to be directed at anyone in this thread or even on the Titan forums as a whole. It was more a generalization based on reading the posts outside of the this forum tbh.  ;)

[JaguarX]

That is about how I would sum it up.

JaguarX and Taveus Jiwede,

  have either of you thought about counseling? With your first hand life experiences, I'm sure you would be able to relate to those with issues that need help much easier than someone like me. Not that I'm a councilor. My most recent field was Security. And my B.S. is in I.T. I've also heard all the jokes about that too.  :P

Yeah I can relate but I'm still trying to figure out a little bit more about the human psyche. It's a like a math equation where 2+2 can equal anything from 1 to 9687 trillion. :p Stick 1,000 with a pin you'd get different reactions some may be the same but all reactions wont be the same even though the pin and the act of sticking is constant. Hell, stick a person more than once and within that one person their reaction may be different with each prick, one time they may jerk a little to the left, the next they may jerk a little to the right.

Not to mention sometimes I can be a little blunt, too blunt for my own good in some cases but definately (hopefully) not as ruthlessly blunt as I seen some people be without regards to the human emotion and while it works for some people it probably dont work for all and havent yet figured out to accurately read which methods works best. Sometimes people need the blunt truth, sometimes they just need words of encouragement, and sometimes they just need a hug literal or proverbial to show them that someone still care about their feelings and thoughts and value their contributions. And sometimes in text I cant tell which of those is appropriate. 

But people in real life do share alot of stuff about what is bothering them, everyone from friends to complete strangers with topics that range from finance relationships to losing a pet or addiction or "rust on the tools." Many occassion a five minute trip to the gas station turned into a 1-2 hour trip because some random guy come up to me talking about a problem in life he has and how he/she is trying to deal with it. It seems that most of the time people just want someone to listen to them. To vent a little bit. And I guess I have that approachable look. And for many even the poor and homeless I can relate to them. I had times in the past that I wondered what is next, but I also conqoured my problems. Do I still get invaded by problems sometimes of the ones I already defeated? Yep, I'm only human but each time they are easier to beat. Thus all I can share is what I did to get to that point and past that obstacle, big or small, it's still an obstacle nonetheless and share a method that worked for me. It may not work for them as well or may work better for them but hopefully it gives them a starting point on the path that wish to be on.

[Ironwolf]

Families pick at each other and fight.

My younger brother is a pro-union die hard liberal and I am a conservative.

We argue like cats and dogs and yet we still know the other one means well and one summer he had an accident with a tablesaw cutting all the tendons to his hand in his wrist (he fully recovered!). I spent every single weekend for the entire summer finishing his garage that he couldn't do for himself with him directing me the entire way.

The French have a word - Noblesse (Oblige) - that means you assume the person means well unless it is proven otherwise. You act toward them as if they were a noble person and if they say something that could be taken wrong - you assume that is not how they meant it.

I try very hard to keep that in mind daily and it lessens the stress as you interact with people and it has on occasion caused someone to become shamed and apologize to me over something they said and thus they did show they were in fact noble.