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Started by Joshex, January 17, 2013, 06:34:05 PM

dwturducken

I don't want to stick my nose in too far, here, but has it already been sent? There is at least one spelling error ("coarse" instead of "course"), and the language could use a little polish.

(I know it's easy for that to come off sounding dickish, and I don't mean to.)
I wouldn't use the word "replace," but there's no word for "take over for you and make everything better almost immediately," so we just say "replace."

Ironwolf

I never send an email or letter without stopping for an hour or so and then reading it again - saves you worlds of hurt at times.

Joshex

Quote from: dwturducken on February 06, 2013, 11:25:57 PM
I don't want to stick my nose in too far, here, but has it already been sent? There is at least one spelling error ("coarse" instead of "course"), and the language could use a little polish.

(I know it's easy for that to come off sounding dickish, and I don't mean to.)

dang heh you're right about course, though the syntax is precise enough.
There is always another way. But it might not work exactly like you may desire.

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Triplash

Quote from: Ironwolf on February 06, 2013, 11:37:39 PM
I never send an email or letter without stopping for an hour or so and then reading it again - saves you worlds of hurt at times.

Excellent policy, I do much the same myself. I've caught some things I would never have wanted to send. A little proofreading goes a long way.

Lily Barclay

Quote from: Triplash on February 07, 2013, 05:45:10 AM
Excellent policy, I do much the same myself. I've caught some things I would never have wanted to send. A little proofreading goes a long way.

A second set of eyes goes even further.

Joshex

No reply from aeria games yet, they still haven't viewed it.

heh when I think about them using this sort of system for business, I think "hey at least it's not the nintendo method, they use a forum not that much different to this one"

oh well it's probably a good thing they havn't seen it yet as V.V. seems to be having a little luck with Google VS. NCSoft, word to the wise Keep mashing those buttons and work that control stick out!!.

NCSoft will not be an easy battle, especially when armed with thier main attack "Silent Rejection of terms"
There is always another way. But it might not work exactly like you may desire.

A wise old rabbit once told me "Never give-up!, Trust your instincts!" granted the advice at the time led me on a tripped-out voyage out of an asteroid belt, but hey it was more impressive than a bunch of rocks and space monkies.

Ironwolf

I think Google has the clout to get a polite reply

JaguarX

Quote from: Ironwolf on February 07, 2013, 09:52:14 PM
I think Google has the clout to get a polite reply

yup.

I doubt NCsoft wants to piss off Google and end up on page 48 when someone types in keyword NCSoft. 

Joshex

Quote from: JaguarX on February 07, 2013, 09:56:23 PM
yup.

I doubt NCsoft wants to piss off Google and end up on page 48 when someone types in keyword NCSoft.

you think like an american business man, you know not the subborness of asia.:

google sends properly composed request to purchase CoH.

NCSoft replies "we are not selling"

google tries to enter into talks

NCSoft "that is fine but we are not selling, we have already decided you cannot have it, no one can, it is our decision, we are nto selling"

Google tries the american final approach method: "thier lawyers send a fat check to NCSoft with a legal order to purchase the game"

NCSoft replies "your money is not the issue, we are not selling"

Google asks what is the issue

NCSoft replies "you must agree to our terms and conditions of sale, in specific at no time do you fully own the IP, buying it will be on a lease agreement and we have the right to refuse to let you operate the game and the right to recall the IP at all times, if you cannot agree then we do not have an agreement"

asian companies can be rather stubborn, you honestly cannot do business the polite american way, you need to 'hard ball' you need to go in strong and confident with demands and money at the ready, one slip in confidence will give them an opening to not take you seriously and make you their &%$#@.

trust me I have talked with asian CEOs in china before and my friends in korea agree this is the way business is done over there. it's all abotu the pokerface and presentation.

guilt is a strong ally too as blackmail is allowed to a certain extent in asian business. buying NCSoft expensive gifts and then coming out of the blue and making a strong bold talk for the IP to CoH would be the right method.
There is always another way. But it might not work exactly like you may desire.

A wise old rabbit once told me "Never give-up!, Trust your instincts!" granted the advice at the time led me on a tripped-out voyage out of an asteroid belt, but hey it was more impressive than a bunch of rocks and space monkies.

JaguarX

Quote from: Joshex on February 07, 2013, 10:08:35 PM
you think like an american business man, you know not the subborness of asia.:

google sends properly composed request to purchase CoH.

NCSoft replies "we are not selling"

google tries to enter into talks

NCSoft "that is fine but we are not selling, we have already decided you cannot have it, no one can, it is our decision, we are nto selling"

Google tries the american final approach method: "thier lawyers send a fat check to NCSoft with a legal order to purchase the game"

NCSoft replies "your money is not the issue, we are not selling"

Google asks what is the issue

NCSoft replies "you must agree to our terms and conditions of sale, in specific at no time do you fully own the IP, buying it will be on a lease agreement and we have the right to refuse to let you operate the game and the right to recall the IP at all times, if you cannot agree then we do not have an agreement"

asian companies can be rather stubborn, you honestly cannot do business the polite american way, you need to 'hard ball' you need to go in strong and confident with demands and money at the ready, one slip in confidence will give them an opening to not take you seriously and make you their &%$#@.

trust me I have talked with asian CEOs in china before and my friends in korea agree this is the way business is done over there. it's all abotu the pokerface and presentation.

guilt is a strong ally too as blackmail is allowed to a certain extent in asian business. buying NCSoft expensive gifts and then coming out of the blue and making a strong bold talk for the IP to CoH would be the right method.

hmmm. So buy the CEO a G6 plane with a platinum/diamond encrusted walkway and the finest cow hide seats in the world or up it a notch and make it baby seal and a live in servant, with a free 70,000 gallons of jet fuel voucher then say that ya buying the IP?

Aggelakis

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You don't know for sure; you don't know these particular business men. Therefore, don't comment about what their "culture" (this is a cover-up word for "ethnicity" in most uses) makes them do/not do.
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But we can still say that it seems NCSoft * business strategy meetings are conducted in a "Reality-filtered room" and that they have made absolutely arse-hatted decisions as a result. **


*want to keep this PG13 can't really say what I want to about them otherwise it be pancake for about 3 lines.
** trying for understatement of the  decade  ;)
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Well Google has a lot of experience in doing business in Asia.  A LOT of experience.
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Aggelakis

Quote from: Kuriositys Kat on February 08, 2013, 03:59:29 AM
But we can still say that it seems NCSoft * business strategy meetings are conducted in a "Reality-filtered room" and that they have made absolutely arse-hatted decisions as a result. **


*want to keep this PG13 can't really say what I want to about them otherwise it be pancake for about 3 lines.
** trying for understatement of the  decade  ;)
Yes. NCsoft made a hugely idiotic decision, stupendously idiotic, GINORMOUSLY batshit fucking insane decision, possibly big enough to have permanent ramifications, but we can't lay blame on their culture or ethnicity because we simply don't know.
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Quote from: Aggelakis on February 08, 2013, 04:45:54 AM
Yes. NCsoft made a hugely idiotic decision, stupendously idiotic, GINORMOUSLY batshit fucking insane decision, possibly big enough to have permanent ramifications, but we can't lay blame on their culture or ethnicity because we simply don't know.

Wouldn't want to accidentally insult someone with the possible implication that they have something in common with NCstupid.

Ironwolf

Folks likely the buyout attempt made someone at Corp feel like that Paragon Studios just whizzed in their Cheerios.

They said you know what at only $4 million profit a year - we don't need you - goodbye and rolled them up. I would bet on it.

Taceus Jiwede

Quote from: Joshex on February 07, 2013, 10:08:35 PM
you think like an american business man, you know not the subborness of asia.:

google sends properly composed request to purchase CoH.

NCSoft replies "we are not selling"

google tries to enter into talks

NCSoft "that is fine but we are not selling, we have already decided you cannot have it, no one can, it is our decision, we are nto selling"

Google tries the american final approach method: "thier lawyers send a fat check to NCSoft with a legal order to purchase the game"

NCSoft replies "your money is not the issue, we are not selling"

Google asks what is the issue

NCSoft replies "you must agree to our terms and conditions of sale, in specific at no time do you fully own the IP, buying it will be on a lease agreement and we have the right to refuse to let you operate the game and the right to recall the IP at all times, if you cannot agree then we do not have an agreement"

asian companies can be rather stubborn, you honestly cannot do business the polite american way, you need to 'hard ball' you need to go in strong and confident with demands and money at the ready, one slip in confidence will give them an opening to not take you seriously and make you their &%$#@.

trust me I have talked with asian CEOs in china before and my friends in korea agree this is the way business is done over there. it's all abotu the pokerface and presentation.

guilt is a strong ally too as blackmail is allowed to a certain extent in asian business. buying NCSoft expensive gifts and then coming out of the blue and making a strong bold talk for the IP to CoH would be the right method.

I've put this in several other topics and I am surprised to STILL see comments like this.  NCSoft is an international business, they aren't some shut ins that only do things the Korean way.  At a certain point cultural goes out the window when dealing with so many different types of cultures.  Also NCSoft has ALREADY done business with American and European companies several times before, these men and women are highly educated and familiar with international business methods.  To assume that NCSoft only does business the "Korean" way just doesn't make any sense from any stand point because if what everyone keeps saying is true, they would never get any business done anywhere else in the world, ever.  I don't know how business' and the way they are run vary around the world.  However, I am sure that a company that deals with partners and investors from ALL over the world, are only stubborn in the sense that any business person is.  And that is to make the most money they possibly can off their product.  Greed is the same in every culture.

JaguarX

Quote from: Taceus Jiwede on February 16, 2013, 06:29:46 AM
Greed is the same in every culture.
Greed is greed and is not picky.

Joshex

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News news news!!!

Headline: Aeriagames buys MMO IP

ok well they didn't reply to the business proposal, but one of the game masters replied to the thread in the forums saying he personally loved city of heroes. ok that is actually old news, I should have reported it a while back.

the newest news, Aeria games has just picked up the IP to DMO Digimon Masters Online.

so why is this big news? it shows they are not affraid to pick-up titles previously run by other companies. and not affraid to do buy-outs for the sake of running a game.

if google doesn't bite on the pitch I highly suggest aeria as the next target as they already show that they Know how to actively pursue the buyout of an IP to a video game. where as for google this would be new territory and there may be rules of the trade that google and thier lawyers don't know because it isn't thier normal business style.

that will actually make google look like they don;t know what they are doing if they approach NCSoft without the proper game administration syntax, or in the wrong manner of business for a game company.

now I'm not saying that google is incapable of stepping up to the plate! merely saying this will be new for them and thier lawyers, videogame business terms are not normally in thier vocabularies, if what they are saying sounds odd NCSoft might not take them seriously or might try to pawn them off.

presentation, not many people are aware of this but in videogame buiness theres this thing called a 'game design document' now I'm sure some people here on the forums know about this, but for google they will have to write one for the first time and it wont be a standard GDD it will be more like the pitch package that VV and Tony V and such have written, of coarse everything needs to be in a certain order and it should be short and straight to the point in Videogame Business Terms.

again, it doesn't matter what person/company approaches a video game company to do anything, it's all about if you can talk the talk and walk the walk. (I know cause thats how I got into talks with nintendo back when I was a nobody)

Google will have to learn a bit of Videogame swagger, AeriaGames already has the swagger and they are metaphorically dancing hardcore.

just an Update, again I fully support the push for google and I hope it bodes well, and I'm not gonna say what I think the executives will decide cause it might be counter-positive.

wait a min joshex, you talked to people at nintendo professionally? why didn't you say so why not hook us up and get them to run coh? - I will not reply to this, I am sure the Titan community has made it clear there is a difference between the Console community and the PC community, on top of this I have other reasons I do not want to indulge on.

I would also suggest to avoid sony and as for microsoft... I would avoid them as well, I would suggest nintendo before either sony or microsoft. but even nintendo...... END COMMENT

on a separate comment, BEWARE progressively futurist companies, Futurism is a game dev philosophy shared by many game companies all over the world, it bassically sums up as "ooh darling, that is sooo last year!! out with the old, tomorrow is the future!!" which means they might only run CoH for a short time until they feel it's too old (ring a bell? *cough* NCSoft *Cough*) or might Mutilate.. er I mean 'modernize' it. (aka, Try, try as you might; Hold on to everything you hold dear about City of heroes cause It's going out the window!! to be replaced with all sorts of fads and novelties which we can't be told wont entertain the new generation of gamers.)

thats as much as I can say.
There is always another way. But it might not work exactly like you may desire.

A wise old rabbit once told me "Never give-up!, Trust your instincts!" granted the advice at the time led me on a tripped-out voyage out of an asteroid belt, but hey it was more impressive than a bunch of rocks and space monkies.