MMORPG - COH profitability

[Mazz vs The World]

Very similar reason why I care about some one using their phone in the movie theather. Large breasts can be ignored, breasts that jump and bounce and move more than the players attacks... not so much.

Not to mention, playing this in a house where a kid may walk by and see what's woobling on screen... I don't think so.

But again, if YOU dont mind, great, you can enjoy the game. I hope you understand I don't have to forgive the game myself.

Human breasts are mostly fatty tissue, unless they are extremely small. No matter how athletic the woman, breasts wont become muscle bound unless they were naturally very lean on fat (or had a reduction surgery.) At such cases, they move even less.

They would move even more, although it would not be exactly something I'd like to ever see.

I would question the fun factor of the dead or alive series. It also oversexualizes everything, and it has a very shallow combat system (although I sort of enjoyed the, at the time origina, environment switch via destruction of walls.) I already noted, though, that at least Dead or Alive did not just make boobies wiggle. They added physics to everything. Hair, cloth, weapons, everything.

Oh, and also: they never hid their intentions in DoA, nor did they ever complain about the fact that every game in the series has been rated M.

If I can turn off the breast wiggling, and block all body oil shine (on all characters, not just mine,) MAYBE the game would have some redemption (well to be fair, the proportions of characters still make them look like aliens so nah still no visual appeal.)

There is no hate here. Only people expressing their opinion and a lot of jokes being shared. You do sound like you are hating the fact that others don't like the game's over sexualization, though.

I don't care if you guys dislike sexualization within a game it's your own opinion, just like me finding your complaint over dramatic is my opinion. What bothers me is that it's mostly the COH community who are bashing this game. Which I understand as most are bitter and have no respect for NCSoft in which I completely understand. However I am a truthful person and will give my opinion regardless of how I feel about anything else (My hatred for NCSoft). With that being said I do not see a problem with the B&S character movement or physicalities. Also if a woman is athletic her breasts are firmer than one who isn't therefore they will move differently as you mentioned fat moves a certain way. Saggy boobs kinda flop around where firmer ones don't, I really shouldn't have to explain this, you can google it if you're curious. If you don't like the game great for you, but I think it looks amazing and will most likely buy it and stay away from the pervs like I did on COH. Ya know the ones who sat in PD and cyber'd. Good day to ya! :)

[therain93]

I disagree.  I'm famliar with the "Uncanny Valley" phenomenon, but that's not what's at play here.  The point is that they've taken strides to make the characters not look human.  The Uncanny Valley kicks in when games or other creators are trying to make their work looks as if they are human.  I get exaggeration.  City of Heroes took artistic license in exaggerating features.  But Blade & Soul pushes past exaggeration into grotesque, and I honestly think that they'll pay the price in lousy sales and horrid retention as a result.

That's the point - it's an approximation of a human that you find grotesque.  It's worthless to argue about intent on the designers' part -- it vaguely resembles a human and you're naturally rejecting it because of the disproportionate nature and the way it moves.

[Starsman]

What bothers me is that it's mostly the COH community who are bashing this game.

You should google more and go to other forums. The game is not only being critisized by us, we just happen to be here. ;)

Also if a woman is athletic her breasts are firmer than one who isn't therefore they will move differently as you mentioned fat moves a certain way.

Firmer = they wiggle even less.

I'm old enough to be clear about it, but for those that need the education I would not recomend google as the main source of that stuff. There are some things you just can learn by looking at "educational" videos nor reading any amount of text.

Oh and sagginess has nothing to do with athletics. It's mostly the result of years of wearing bad or no bras (and eventually age will catch up regardless.)

[Atlantea]

I think it goes a long way to show how unremarkable B&S is if that's all we can find worth talking about in it.

QFT

See - that's why I think B&S will fail. It WILL see initial sales. It'll look VERY good financially.

For about 3 months.

Then everyone in the game will reach the end and look around and go "That's it? All I'm left to do is walk around in my Frederick's of Hollywood catalog? Boooooring..."

And they'll drop it and move on to the next shiny.

If there is NO story after the initial levels and the ONLY thing you do between the middle levels and the top end is grind gear for endless PVP and THAT is your endgame? Nope.

That's what I've meant in the past when I mentioned how B&S will fail just like every other Eastern grinder. With some exceptions, that's just not our style of game here in the West. It's the main reason (though not the only one) why Aion failed. It's why RF Online Failed. Same deal.

It'll stay a niche product. It'll have a very rabid minor following. But in the end, it'll go the same way as the others.

It won't be the "jiggle-boobs" that kills it. But the very nature of the game itself. All the shiny in the world can't hide lack of content forever.

Some day it'll be remembered as "The Jiggle Boob MMO... what was it's name again?"

[Starsman]

See - that's why I think B&S will fail. It WILL see initial sales. It'll look VERY good financially.

I don't think it's going to fail. I think it will have some good sales, may canibalize a bit both: Aion and GW2, though. I also think most the playerbase will be men (and most the characters female.)

But the game itself, I think it will last at least as long as Lineage 2 has.

[eabrace]

Honestly, jiggle physics aside and all, every one of those female characters I've seen from B&S look like featherless ostriches to me.  I keep waiting to see one stick her head in the ground.

[Illusionss]

Saggy boobs kinda flop around where firmer ones don't, I really shouldn't have to explain this, you can google it if you're curious

As a natural D-cup myself, I dont think there's all that much you can tell me about how breasts behave in the wild, so to speak.  8)

People are discussing the breasts in Bits and Tits because more than anything, what strikes the eye is the incredibly unrealistic way they behave. Not the gameplay. Not the visual game "world." Not what you'll do while you're shanks-mareing around in the game world. None of that. Its all about the jiggling, wiggling, bounce-up-and-downing, circularly-rotating, physics-defying bibbity-bobbiting jiggly-wiggly BOOBS.

That is ALL that game is. Boobs. And seven-foot long legs. As such, this game will not have "legs"  in the Western market, I'd be willing to bet, and do pardon the pun. I actually find the whole thing hilarious, except for the knowledge that OUR game got axed so we can get more fanservice BOOBS out there in MMORPG-land.

Like I say, I own a pair of D-cups in real life, and no I am not a big girl. The animations in Bits and Tits are nowhere within the reality of a real-live, well endowed human female. FAIL

[Little Green Frog]

People are discussing the breasts in Bits and Tits because more than anything, what strikes the eye is the incredibly unrealistic way they behave.

Yes! That is the whole point. As much as people dislike them, the so called grindfests set in generic high fantasy worlds with anime-like visuals are what brings the most dough to you as a publisher (unless you are Blizzard). So how do you differentiate from the lot? Put larger swords in your game? Done countless times. Introduce cute race with animal traits? Been ran to the ground already. Skimpier outfits? There's not much to take away, really. How do you break through in such an oversaturated market with a new product, then? Especially if you are aware it does not contain a ground breaking stroke of design genius? The same way you do it in any other industry: through controversy. You cross the line. It doesn't take much. Just an outrageous animation of anatomically inaccurate females presented as sexual objects and done. Maybe your game won't win awards, maybe it won't take over World of Warcraft, but people will talk and the title of the game will sink in memories of many potential players.

It is a tried and proven marketing tactic. It does not always work, but the world of MMOs is still new to it, so there is a chance it will.

[FatherXmas]

yeah. There seems to be alot of emphasis on the breasts. I'm not sure what is more creepy. The breasts in the game or the amount of focus that people that say they dont like them are giving them.

Well we are prudish older Americans here, mostly.  We have limited problems with violence in our media but a flash of side boob will launch 100,000 form letters to the FCC.  ;)

Won't anyone just think of the children?  :roll:

Oh and sagginess has nothing to do with athletics. It's mostly the result of years of wearing bad or no bras (and eventually age will catch up regardless.)

Well age and gravity.  Gravity is such a harsh mistress.

QFT

See - that's why I think B&S will fail. It WILL see initial sales. It'll look VERY good financially.

For about 3 months.

Then everyone in the game will reach the end and look around and go "That's it? All I'm left to do is walk around in my Frederick's of Hollywood catalog? Boooooring..."

And they'll drop it and move on to the next shiny.

If there is NO story after the initial levels and the ONLY thing you do between the middle levels and the top end is grind gear for endless PVP and THAT is your endgame? Nope.

That's what I've meant in the past when I mentioned how B&S will fail just like every other Eastern grinder. With some exceptions, that's just not our style of game here in the West. It's the main reason (though not the only one) why Aion failed. It's why RF Online Failed. Same deal.

It'll stay a niche product. It'll have a very rabid minor following. But in the end, it'll go the same way as the others.

It won't be the "jiggle-boobs" that kills it. But the very nature of the game itself. All the shiny in the world can't hide lack of content forever.

Some day it'll be remembered as "The Jiggle Boob MMO... what was it's name again?"

See now I disagree with the notion that their isn't anything special about this MMO over other Asian fantasy MMOs.  The combat animations flow beautifully together, you have wall running and air dashing.  The zones are quite lovely and the look is somewhat unique.  It's been out for six months now in Korea, NCSoft has cranked out 8 of the initial 10 updates so far I believe.  As much as we dislike the look of the characters in general (cultural/style bias perhaps) the character creator lets you tweak things to an ridiculous level and the slider to allow you to age your character's face is rather unique, instead of simply choosing options to make you look old.

Yes, boob physics is silly but large breasted heroines in video games aren't.

[HarvesterOfEyes]

People are discussing the breasts in Bits and Tits because more than anything, what strikes the eye is the incredibly unrealistic way they behave. Not the gameplay. Not the visual game "world." Not what you'll do while you're shanks-mareing around in the game world. None of that.

For me the image I can't get out of my mind is the hapless corporate puke who had to stand up in front of management and argue that there isn't enough anime softcore on the internet and therefore this is an untapped gold-mine.

I'd make an analogy here but... nah... pass.

[TonyV]

Well that's all well and good but when push comes to shove, what would they do if the game gets an M rating and then would prefer a T?  Yes you will end up with Diehard 4, watered down to achieve a wider possible audience.

Yippie-ki-yay, gosh darnit!

[JaguarX]

Well we are prudish older Americans here, mostly.  We have limited problems with violence in our media but a flash of side boob will launch 100,000 form letters to the FCC.  ;)

Won't anyone just think of the children?  :roll:

Oh yeah. that is the truth. I just thought that famous Jackson Super Bowl thing and how people was wigging out.  lol. Good point you have.


But isnt there male characters and outfits to choose from also not to mention the little people or is it that everyone have to pick a big boobed female, realistic tits or not, (although flying, shooting flames out of the palms, and items popping up from a defeated foe and etc is not very realistic either)?

[Illusionss]

The only time I have even SEEN a male character re Bits and Tits was in that Christmas costume video link FatherXmas posted. I dont think they're a selling point. Bobbing and wiggling male sexual characteristics would get the game an X-rating in any market out there, so I doubt they want that.

Re realism, GW2 has the Asura, Bits and Tits has small children; all of these entities are running around kicking all kinds of @ss, much like Yoda putting the smackdown on Emperor Palpatine(?) in that Star Wars movie. I found a lightsaber-fighing Yoda ridiculous, just like I do the Asura and small children kung-fu-fighting and fire-blasting or whatever. It looks ridiculous to my eye. Yes, I dared to say it!

I miss my ADULT world of CoX. Not adult in a RP sense, it just makes more sense to me for adults or near-adults to be taking on adult challenges. I am a grown up and I want to play as a grown up. I want to face Reischmann as a grown-up, I am set in my ways like that. YMMV.

[CG]

I'm not a moderator, but could we move the B&S discussion to another thread?

[Lily Barclay]

I'm not a moderator, but could we move the B&S discussion to another thread?

Seconded. Though an interesting side discussion, this thread needs to be rerailed.

[Absolute]

Yippie-ki-yay, gosh darnit!

Yippee-ki-yay Mister Falcon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMU-tCiWncw





(The fact that there is no Mister Falcon anywhere in any Die Hard and it sounds foreign makes me laugh every time)

[Knight Light]

No, you are not.  Those hands in CO frighten me.  I'm not sure who their artist is but...I will be charitable and say that I do not care for his style.

I've thought about it a lot and I don't think it's that I hate the art style of CO, it's that I hate being it. I attempted to remake my primary personas from City of Heroes in Champions Online months ago and as fantastic as they came out, I still estimate about a 90% drop in awesomeness.

I kind of hate looking at CO in general, too many flawed ideas jump out at me for me to immerse myself properly most of the time but once I'm able to, I find I don't hate my characters from every angle. yeah, that look right there was all right, those other two angles were okay, this one view was kinda hot, etc. While I agree on a hand problem and I don't like the default posing, the style of the art isn't inherently bad. Once properly immersed, the problem that becomes apparent to my mind is that I just don't care. I'm in Milenium City and I have super powers and I can fly to the top of the tallest building and I can't bring myself to give a shit. Oh well, I need to get back down to lower ground, there's a pedestrian over there that hasn't thanked me for doing the tutorial for the seventeen thousandeth time.

I believe there's something inherent to the art style of Paragon and the Isles that made it that the world was presumed to be there. It was cartoony but that was okay, never took anything away from the experience. I just walked in a minute ago and I care. I found a certain comfort in the way the world was drawn that I think gave it an accessibility to the notion "We are here." that you don't find in other games. This, while confined to shoe boxes called zones.

I'll let you know when I'm done pouring through the dusty mountain of games I've let pile up since U-Hauling all my stuff to Paragon City but I'm pretty sure I can tell ya already that we never saw anything quite like it before and are likely to never will again so that's "why"s we have to get our hostage away from those execs and bring them home.

Oh well, enough daydreaming about CoH value, we were talking about profitability, right?

[Knightslayer]

I know how you guys feel, the art style of CO is the number 1 reason why I've never gotten into it - the appeal just isn't there for me.
Not entirely fond of The Secret World's style either, but I think it's more about the limits there, and the rest of the game makes up for it.

[Atlantea]

Guys? I don't want to stop the CO discussion, but maybe could we move it out of -this- thread and get back on topic?

(Assuming that the topic isn't mined out completely?)

[Knight Light]

Don't look at me, I believe I tried to. I hadn't mentioned boob physics at all.

Darn it.