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The Last Jedi (Possible Spoilers)
« on: December 15, 2017, 05:41:38 PM »
This is quite a hard movie to describe - it's certainly the strangest SW movie so far - it avoids the excessive adherence to previous episodes that caused problems in TFA, but it also goes a bit too far in the other direction at times, and leaps right into dubious/semi-deranged fan-fiction territory.
It's entertaining, pretty well-acted and the dialogue is good for an SW movie - but it's also definitely not a movie that George Lucas would have made - at any point in his career.
Like TFA and Rogue One, it's slick and well produced, but it's also lacking some of the roughness and quirkiness of the first 6 episodes, which could be seen as both a good and a bad thing.
IT's also quite decisively moving SW into a new place, not just story wise, but also in style and feel, and it'll be interesting to see how they develop it in IX - and it'll also be interesting to see how the box office performs - it's naturally going to open to a vast amount, but without the special build-up to the start of a new trilogy that TFA had, along with the somewhat noticeable difference between TLJ and previous episodes, the number of repeat viewings could be down a bit.   


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Re: The Last Jedi (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2017, 06:56:14 PM »
This is quite a hard movie to describe - it's certainly the strangest SW movie so far - it avoids the excessive adherence to previous episodes that caused problems in TFA, but it also goes a bit too far in the other direction at times, and leaps right into dubious/semi-deranged fan-fiction territory.
It's entertaining, pretty well-acted and the dialogue is good for an SW movie - but it's also definitely not a movie that George Lucas would have made - at any point in his career.

I saw it last night, and I agree! Lucas made those movies for kids, in the style of a Saturday movie serial that you could see in theaters up until the 1950's when he was a little kid. Now, we've got the fans making it who were kids when the originals came out, but now they are making them for the adult fans. More polished stories and more adult kind of themes. I read a review from vox.com that seemed more like a dissertation on the subtext of some of the reveals we get on Rey. A little to cerebral for Star Wars IMHO.

Like TFA and Rogue One, it's slick and well produced, but it's also lacking some of the roughness and quirkiness of the first 6 episodes, which could be seen as both a good and a bad thing.

Maybe I'm too nit picky, but it didn't seem like there were soft wipes like in all the other movies. Did I miss them? It was all fast cuts. I am planning on going back to see it again to get more details on it. Anyone else notice? I could also be a little too nerdy on this, I admit. To me, that roughness was what made the movies honestly. If I can't get newer movies with that kind of style in it, I think I am going to be disappointed. OK, now I know I am over top on this point.


It's also quite decisively moving SW into a new place, not just story wise, but also in style and feel, and it'll be interesting to see how they develop it in IX - and it'll also be interesting to see how the box office performs - it's naturally going to open to a vast amount, but without the special build-up to the start of a new trilogy that TFA had, along with the somewhat noticeable difference between TLJ and previous episodes, the number of repeat viewings could be down a bit.   

It's a double edged lightsaber with Disney buying Lucasfilm. We're going to get all kids of Star Wars stuff, but my concern it'll be over done and come to pa point that they'll just crank it out to make more and more money. Well, yeah, that is Disney's MO, as compared to Lucas who was very deliberate on what he did. I think that was a better formula as he was/is very detailed and had a hand in all aspects of it. Which means we got a more moderate amount of story as compared to a new movie every year that we're getting now. (OK, yeah, lightsabers don't have sides, but you get my analogy, right?  ;D) But I saw TFA a few times, and I've come to the opinion that JJ just wasn't the right fit for the style of a movies that Sar Wars is. A modern director for a story that has always been told in an older style, it just didn't work for me. Whenever you watch an interview that Lucas does, and they ask him about style or format or some other technical aspect of film making, he references the classic way of story telling. And that is kind of how he's done that is just about all his movies. It's even kind of bled over to Spielberg when he did Indiana Jones. Classic serial story movie style. OK, I'm old... I get it now...

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Re: The Last Jedi (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2017, 02:44:44 AM »
On the whole I enjoyed it. There were twists that I did not expect.

One thing however ...

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So Darth Vader is unrepentant evil for 20 years and displays NO compassion or humanity at all until the ending of the original trilogy, but Luke has no doubt he can turn back to the light even when Yoda and Obi-Wan believe otherwise. Ben/Kylo has been Darkside for far less time, and Luke's had no doubt that he's irredeemable-- even Leia agrees with him. What makes Vader a candidate for rehabilitation and not Ben?

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Re: The Last Jedi (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2017, 06:55:42 AM »
On the whole I enjoyed it. There were twists that I did not expect.

One thing however ...

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So Darth Vader is unrepentant evil for 20 years and displays NO compassion or humanity at all until the ending of the original trilogy, but Luke has no doubt he can turn back to the light even when Yoda and Obi-Wan believe otherwise. Ben/Kylo has been Darkside for far less time, and Luke's had no doubt that he's irredeemable-- even Leia agrees with him. What makes Vader a candidate for rehabilitation and not Ben?

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Probably because Vader was the one prophesized to bring balance to the Force

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Re: The Last Jedi (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2017, 07:31:32 PM »
Saw the movie yesterday and I think the movie had a slow start. It didn't pick up the pace until the 3rd act of the film. I did enjoyed the film but, I think they could've made the movie a little short. It was too long.
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I don't understand why the movie keeps showing Finn and Rose on the this casino planet trying to find a code breaker who betrays them later on. Phasma is useless. I think that was unnecessary. I didn't understand the multiple Rey sequence. Kylo killed off Snoke just like that?! Really? HOW IN THE WORLD PRINCESS LEIA WAS ABLE TO FLY BACK INTO THE SHIP IN THE VACUUM OF SPACE??!!! I thought they was going to kill her off but, noooooooooooooooo.  :roll: So Luke dies and not Leia? How's that going to work out? I did like the connection between Kylo and Rey when they was talking to each other through the Force. That was interesting. Luke use the Force to project himself to stall Kylo so he can help the Rebels escape was badass.
I also have mix feelings about this movie.


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Re: The Last Jedi (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2017, 02:38:49 PM »
On the whole I enjoyed it. There were twists that I did not expect.

One thing however ...

Spoiler for Hidden:
So Darth Vader is unrepentant evil for 20 years and displays NO compassion or humanity at all until the ending of the original trilogy, but Luke has no doubt he can turn back to the light even when Yoda and Obi-Wan believe otherwise. Ben/Kylo has been Darkside for far less time, and Luke's had no doubt that he's irredeemable-- even Leia agrees with him. What makes Vader a candidate for rehabilitation and not Ben?
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There are worse things than Vader. Kylo is a complete unapologetic nihilist that wants to destroy everything, pretty much literally. Vader still cared about something, at least. So yeah... he's worse than Vader ever was.
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Re: The Last Jedi (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2017, 08:17:42 PM »
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But don't we see Kylo hesitate to kill his parents both times?  And it kind of looks like he cares for Rey.

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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2017, 09:06:27 PM »
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None of that was out of any sense of goodness.
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Re: The Last Jedi (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2017, 02:43:40 PM »
As I think more and more about this movie, it feels more and more like a 2 1/2 hour episode of Battlestar Galactica.  And not the awesome 2004 series, but the cheesy 70's craptacular show.  I mean they even did the Baltar killing the Cylon leader and taking his place thing!

I mean, alot happened in the movie that changes the story in major major ways... But, nothing really *happened* happened, it was all one side sitting around being worried and the other side sitting around gloating, with short bursts of major story-changing events.

However, having said that... I still loved 99.99% of the movie.  There's just one scene that I want to kill with fire.


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Re: The Last Jedi (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2017, 03:20:12 AM »
So one thing that I do have to say about the new Star Wars movies based on what's happened with the first two ...


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There seems to be an ageist bias here. Each movie seems to have a main plot point of killing off a character from the older movies so the new kids can be the only ones left standing. Maybe they're doing that so they won't have to pay huge fees to the surviving actors, but I do find myslef agreeing with Mark Hamill in that I don't think Luke would just run off for six years while the Galaxy burned. (I also think he wouldn't have even considered killing Ben when he knew from personal experience that someone could come back from the Dark Side.

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Re: The Last Jedi (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2017, 05:19:02 PM »
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HOW IN THE WORLD PRINCESS LEIA WAS ABLE TO FLY BACK INTO THE SHIP IN THE VACUUM OF SPACE??!!!

That really didn't bother me. It's insinuated in the movies that Anakin was created out of the Force, and in the old canon (especially in the KOTOR era) the Force did some crazy stuff. That event in TLJ really wasn't all that crazy, to me.

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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2017, 05:26:49 PM »
That really didn't bother me. It's insinuated in the movies that Anakin was created out of the Force, and in the old canon (especially in the KOTOR era) the Force did some crazy stuff. That event in TLJ really wasn't all that crazy, to me.

One of the big problems with it is that it came out fo nowhere, which could be partly blamed on the general sloppiness of TFA when it came to filling in the 30 year gap since RotJ.
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Re: The Last Jedi (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2017, 05:33:50 PM »
Just saw it. It's awful but at least entertainingly awful. 7 was just plain awful and L'Rouge was just boring. This was more hilariously awful ala ep 3. Every scene of this I was pretty much floored that it got approved at any level, much less at every level.

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I did like Snoke's guards though.

Kept waiting on David Lynch to come in and yell something to Laura Dern about Agent Cooper, but decided the whole movie was too surreal for Lynch. BTW did Laura Dern seem completely out of left field to people who'd not read the crappy Leia novel?

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Re: The Last Jedi (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2017, 06:23:45 PM »
I found it to be boring.

Hopefully there will be a fan edit that trims at least a half hour out of the film.


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Re: The Last Jedi (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2017, 08:56:26 PM »
We just saw it, and I can understand why it's getting mixed reviews. I thought it was formulaic and tedious most of the time, with flat, uninteresting characters; the plot devices used weren't very believable, and the core story underneath it all was not very good.

I wish they'd just stopped making these after 1983.

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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2018, 04:21:03 AM »
I have no words on how disappointing this was. There were far to many bad choices they put in it. Such as Luke, no one can honestly say that was a good choice for him. He went to the Death Star to rescue his father. However, in this he senses the darkness in his nephew and he wants to kill him, seriously? Then the admiral not telling anyone the plan to use transports to get away, again bad choice. Then the whole mission with Finn and Rose, was not necessary.
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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2018, 08:53:07 PM »
It was by and large, terrible, especially after the promise of TFA.

The worst for me was Snoke.  We don't know where he came from, and now we likely never will.  They should have excised him from the first and second screenplay and made Ben dark purely from the troubled relationship with his father, and Luke's moment of doubt at the new temple.  A dark Jedi would have been so much more compelling than someone mostly corrupted by a plot device disguised as a character.

Or keep him in and flesh him out!  Tell us how Ben fell in with him.  Make his master's death meaningful!  What a waste of screentime for Serkis.

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Re: The Last Jedi (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2018, 03:53:42 AM »
I suspect there is no master plan here other than to kill off all the old characters.

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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2018, 07:04:12 PM »
All this makes me wish Lucas did his original plan and did the prequels and sequel a lot sooner.

Since the Phantom Menace the Star Wars films just don't have the same magic for me as the three originals.

I always loved in the original that the Force was a magical thing that maybe anyone could tap into and use.

Then PM ruined that by making the Force bound to some mico organisms, so if you haven't got 'em in your system - "NO Force for You!"

So now instead of "May the Force be with You" it should be "May the Midichlorians be in You"