Call to Action: Thank the media

[Turjan]

Not wishing to defend Nexon (because I certainly haven't so far and I have no intention of starting now ;) ) but I feel I should play Devil's Advocate here and point out that the timing of the Arenanet conspiracy events there doesn't necessarily mean anything. It's the same as saying "CoH went F2P - Nexon's preferred cash model - a year before Nexon and NCsoft joined hands. Does that mean NCsoft were kowtowing to Nexon back then by making CoH F2P?" The logic failure there is if that was the case, CoH wouldn't be being closed now.

CoH did go F2P and Nexon do love their F2P model..but two matching facts don't necessarily make a whole picture.

Of course it's equally possible that in this particular case of GW paranoia there might indeed be a valid connection.

The thing is, trying to second guess what NCsoft and Nexon are up to is like trying to work out where a car's going to swerve next when the driver's had a heart attack at the wheel...
The whole situation is looking so leaderless and desperate now that the wisest course of action might be simply to get the hell off the road until the crash has actually happened, and then call in forensics to poke through the wreckage afterwards for answers.

[P51mus]

That rumours been doing the rounds a while. I think it's been debunked, but like someone says in the comments, just because Valve said they'd rather self-destruct than be owned by anyone else, doesn't mean that Nexon aren't /trying/.

And just because they're trying, doesn't mean it's going to amount to anything.

Valve is a privately owned company, with over 50% of it owned by Gabe Newell, the one who has said he'd rather see the company die than be acquired.

[Rae]

And just because they're trying, doesn't mean it's going to amount to anything.

Indeed so :)

[eabrace]

http://www.onrpg.com/MMO/City-of-Heroes/news/Character-Development-City-of-Heroes

[Xieveral]

Another_fan is rabidly obsessed with hatred for Titan. His posting history on the official forums seems to indicate he had a running feud with certain posters like Golden Girl. Something about a "Forum Cartel" or something?

[snipped quotes and links to make things a little shorter]

Unbelievably he actually called Black Pebble a NAZI!

1) I believe the nazi remark was a joke in poor taste. I don't think he actually believes Black Pebble has Nazi characteristics. (BP is a total sweetie!)

2) While I think Another_Fan was an obstinate jerk that talked out his back end, I can kind of understand why he would be so anti-Titan (other than his natural fondness of pissing in the cheerios of others)

Your hearts are in the right place but I feel that some information is portrayed by more vocal members as absolute fact and certainties not speculation and possibilities.

The ones that received information from the source may believe it but remember, the rest of us get that info secondhand it may have gotten garbled during exchange or something false from the get-go because the source made it up for some sadistic reason.

There's no way to prove or disprove these things unless:

a) it happens
b) we gain the ability to read minds of any and all involved with said information

Understandably, you want fans to be hopeful and optimistic that CoX will be saved/ that Plan Z will be everything they want it to be/ that NCSoft/Nexon and other baddies will get their just desserts but please, please understand that there are lots of "what ifs"  that could absolutely crush those possibilities. So be careful with what you say and how you say it.

Also, its better to take the high road and overlook the naysayers instead of egging them on or talking back.

The words and actions of a few are taken as a representation of the community as a whole. so make those words and actions something that the rest of us can be proud of. If you absolutely feel compelled to talk back, make it clear that its YOUR views, not those of the Titan community. Also, I feel leadership should be laying down some rules of conduct for activity outside these forums.

I am supportive of some things being done by the Titan community but I don't want to be seen as one that supports or participates in some of the more distasteful or misguided actions made by others in the community.

[TimtheEnchanter]

1) I believe the nazi remark was a joke in poor taste. I don't think he actually believes Black Pebble has Nazi characteristics. (BP is a total sweetie!)

2) While I think Another_Fan was an obstinate jerk that talked out his back end, I can kind of understand why he would be so anti-Titan (other than his natural fondness of pissing in the cheerios of others)

Your hearts are in the right place but I feel that some information is portrayed by more vocal members as absolute fact and certainties not speculation and possibilities.

The ones that received information from the source may believe it but remember, the rest of us get that info secondhand it may have gotten garbled during exchange or something false from the get-go because the source made it up for some sadistic reason.

There's no way to prove or disprove these things unless:

a) it happens
b) we gain the ability to read minds of any and all involved with said information

Understandably, you want fans to be hopeful and optimistic that CoX will be saved/ that Plan Z will be everything they want it to be/ that NCSoft/Nexon and other baddies will get their just desserts but please, please understand that there are lots of "what ifs"  that could absolutely crush those possibilities. So be careful with what you say and how you say it.

Heh, that's just it though, while A_F agreed with other naysayers, A_F's grievances stem back to years before SaveCoH even existed. "Where was Titan when the devs did (insert atrocious change here)." Basically saying it was hypocritical for Titan to run SaveCoH when it wasn't there to save the game when it could have been by, for instance, having a torch rally when the game-breaking PvP changes happened. And yes, lack of action during these past events were cited as actual reasons for being opposed to the campaign. That's crazy talk. Is it possible it led to the game's death? Perhaps. But any one element of the game being changed doesn't affect everyone. The game shutting down, DOES.

It's like he was saying, "Because you didn't help me when my car broke down, don't even think of helping me rebuild my house that just got destroyed."

[Lily Barclay]

http://games.on.net/2012/11/ten-lessons-that-other-mmo-developers-must-learn-from-the-death-of-city-of-heroes/

[Quinch]

Heh, bit of an old player, innit? Someone should tell him travel powers are Lv4 now.  ;D

[BryanSnowden]

Seems to me to move the NCsoft Boycot to include anything connected to Nexon as well.

So much for Warface, though that's been looking increasingly sketchy for some time now...   :-\
I think that might mean Defiance is out too, but I could be mistaken about that one(?)  Although, being connected to "Syfy" has already put that game in the, "I'll believe it doesn't suck - and/or get canceled prematurely - when I see it" category.

[Knightslayer]

So much for Warface, though that's been looking increasingly sketchy for some time now...   :-\
I think that might mean Defiance is out too, but I could be mistaken about that one(?)  Although, being connected to "Syfy" has already put that game in the, "I'll believe it doesn't suck   and/or get canceled prematurely - when I see it" category.

Hmm? Defiance is from Trion Worlds, partnered with Syfy, yes.
Unless there is some Nexon connection to Trion, that I don't know about, I think you're safe.

[BryanSnowden]

Well, after looking more closely Trion Worlds is "co-publishing" Warface, Not really for Nexon but for Crytek - I think?

Redwood Shores, CA and Frankfurt, Germany (July 26, 2012) - Leading premium online games company Trion Worlds and Crytek announced today they will co-publish and co-operate the award-winning online first-person shooter (FPS) Warface® in North America, Europe, Turkey, Australia and New Zealand, through GFACE® powered by the Trion platform.

Though it doesn't look like the same Crytek Studio - its the German studio as opposed to the Russian one. So, the money isn't likely all that mingled together - not anymore than it would be at ANY publisher these days.  I suppose that's a pretty long stretch ... In a 'the friend of a partner of my enemy is my enemy' sorta way = or something like that.

But, I really like the CryEngine(s) too much to shun everything remotely tied or related to one or another of the several Crytek studios', or one of their partners... thru a too brain-straining to visualize connection.
I suppose someone could draw out a flow-chart or something if they had enough info, but I think that's really a bit overboard for a 'Boycott' & also not something the people involved would notice - much less understand.

But, I think Warface is closely tied enough to be Boycott-worthy, which is fine because it'll probably be a F2P + "cash-shop" game, that they'll close-up if people don't spend enough 'per hour' in the cash-shop, or have busy enough servers or whatever other stupid metrics they using to determine a game's "Success" by these days.  :roll:

[Lily Barclay]

http://oceanicgamer.com/2012/11/the-naked-gamer-the-day-the-heroes-left/

[Clave Dark 5]

Here's a story on CNN and Twitter we might get inn on:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/28/tech/social-media/twitter-women-gamers-mentors/index.html?hpt=hp_bn5

[Quinch]

By pointing out War Witch's position as the lead dev in CoH? I say go for it.

[Rae]

Dingdingding!

Titan rising:
http://www.dealspwn.com/plan-announce-heroes-villains-spiritual-successor-city-heroes-123043

[NecrotechMaster]

i think it will be a fantastic option if ncsoft decides to be non-negotiable with the coh IP

[dwturducken]

There was also this. I'm guessing Amanda is Golden Girl?  ;D

[eabrace]

Dingdingding!

Titan rising:
http://www.dealspwn.com/plan-announce-heroes-villains-spiritual-successor-city-heroes-123043

Just to make sure we're all on the same page here:  http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,6450.0.html

[Rae]

http://kotaku.com/5964804/city-of-heroes-says-goodbye-forever-tonight

[TimtheEnchanter]

The dealspawn article is gone.