New efforts!

[Ultimate15]

Look at it this way: like ya'll said, this game is pretty popular in the superhero genre(which is pretty much just CoH, maybe a smidge of DC because..name recognition) and NC offered to sell i23, I don't think a company that hates or wants to keep a game offers to sell it to a new growing company(MWM, who would then hand it off to a third company, which I'm sure is still being hashed out :D). Wonder if this would be the case for any other superhero MMO around :P

MWM has nothing to do with the selling and/or purchase of the COH IP from NCSoft. Nate Downes aided in getting things off the ground and running, but MWM is in no way connected to these efforts. Outside of Nate, any/all parties whom are currently directly involved in the negotiations are still, for the large part, unknown.

...Did I get all that right?

[Soul Resonance]

MWM has nothing to do with the selling and/or purchase of the COH IP from NCSoft. Nate Downes aided in getting things off the ground and running, but MWM is in no way connected to these efforts. Outside of Nate, any/all parties whom are currently directly involved in the negotiations are still, for the large part, unknown.

...Did I get all that right?

I believe you did, just forgot myself  ;D. Though, I am correct that NC was the one who proposed i23 :D, still a good thing. Also, believe earlier in this thread it was stated by..I forgot who  :-\ but I know they were reputable, that only..3(?) people are involved with the actual negotiations outside of Nate..That's alot to take on for 3 people  :o

[Arcana]

Just gonna throw it out there that transwarp beaming was introduced in the first movie. I've seen an article or two decrying its use in the second, but honestly, the invention of a transwarp transporter is the logical extension of the transwarp beaming formula introduced in the first movie.

Its also worth pointing out that just because transwarp beaming technology exists, doesn't mean starships have become irrelevant.  There's at least two problems with transwarp beaming that can limit its usefulness relative to starships.  The first is that you still have to know exactly where you're beaming to.  When its a known location that may not be a problem, but you cannot explore the galaxy with transwarp transporters.  The second potential problem is that because its still relatively new technology and probably exotic technology there's no reason to assume it has been perfected yet.  Even if it works 99.99% of the time that is good enough for Kirk to try to use it to reboard the Enterprise and Khan to escape Earth but it means thousands or even millions of people being disintegrated in transwarp beaming accidents every year if you tried to replace starships with it.  Even *regular* transporters have a certain observed if small error rate usually due to unexpected circumstances or environmental conditions.  The fact that starfleet still uses shuttlecraft suggests that transporters are a technology like helicopters: we use them when we need to, and people don't usually get too nervous when they ride them, but they are still not as safe as jogging across the street.   It is even possible that the portable transwarp transporter Khan used** had an even larger malfunction rate due to its compact size and energy capacity.  So the people complaining that transwarp technology makes starships irrelevant are either joking, or being unrealistic about how technology actually works.

Similar arguments can be made about Khan's "miracle blood" by the way.




** It is also possible the device Khan used was not a portable transwarp transporter, but just a transporter relay and he actually used a land-based transwarp transporter station that Section 31 had somewhere on Earth.

[Arcana]

People who know how to handle money would have more money at the end of the 10 years.  People who don't know how to handle money would have less money at the end of ten years.

Also, even if you take all my money away and give it to someone that has no money, I will still have a house, an education, a job, professional standing, an 821 credit rating, all my friends and relatives, and the previous experience of achieving what I have now.  I save more than I spend, so by definition if I had to start with no money from now, I would still be net positive and would eventually regain it all back.  It might take twenty years, but no reason to assume otherwise.

The problem with poverty is not just the lack of cash; in a certain sense the lack of money is just a symptom of poverty, and not even the most important one.  Take all my money away and you're still looking at a million dollars of family support, education, asset accumulation, and life experience.  I'm rich *and* I have cash.  I'm not one of those people who believes its all luck: I believe I got where I am through a lot of hard work.  Its just that not all the hard work was mine: my parents and my grandparents before them also put a lot of hard work into the infrastructure that eventually arrives at me.  Some luck is essential, or at least the absence of bad luck.  But I also believe that many people have huge disadvantages by virtue of starting from a completely different starting block than I did through no direct fault of their own.  And those disadvantages can accumulate over generations.  My grandparents started from almost literally nothing.  But there are worse things than starting from nothing.  Many start from less than nothing, and never find a way to break even.

[Brigadine]

Its also worth pointing out that just because transwarp beaming technology exists, doesn't mean starships have become irrelevant.  There's at least two problems with transwarp beaming that can limit its usefulness relative to starships.  The first is that you still have to know exactly where you're beaming to.  When its a known location that may not be a problem, but you cannot explore the galaxy with transwarp transporters.  The second potential problem is that because its still relatively new technology and probably exotic technology there's no reason to assume it has been perfected yet.  Even if it works 99.99% of the time that is good enough for Kirk to try to use it to reboard the Enterprise and Khan to escape Earth but it means thousands or even millions of people being disintegrated in transwarp beaming accidents every year if you tried to replace starships with it.  Even *regular* transporters have a certain observed if small error rate usually due to unexpected circumstances or environmental conditions.  The fact that starfleet still uses shuttlecraft suggests that transporters are a technology like helicopters: we use them when we need to, and people don't usually get too nervous when they ride them, but they are still not as safe as jogging across the street.   It is even possible that the portable transwarp transporter Khan used** had an even larger malfunction rate due to its compact size and energy capacity.  So the people complaining that transwarp technology makes starships irrelevant are either joking, or being unrealistic about how technology actually works.

Similar arguments can be made about Khan's "miracle blood" by the way.




** It is also possible the device Khan used was not a portable transwarp transporter, but just a transporter relay and he actually used a land-based transwarp transporter station that Section 31 had somewhere on Earth.

Hard to fight a war with a 1 man transporter...

[Joshex]

ahh.. well, lets see it's the newyear, and everyone is back to work, except here in hina where they are still at work and will go on holiday in a few more weeks. South Korea also celebrates spring festival (asian newyear) so, something tells me not a lot is going to get done between now and March.

I have no idea why I end up making excuses for people, sometimes people who I never met, and sometimes for people who are being cheap to me. this is not one of those cases though. again I have no direct info about the deal I'm just guessing based on the corporate calendar.

I want city back, it was one of the best places to hide from IRL.. IRL is very mean.

[Ultimate15]

I believe you did, just forgot myself  ;D. Though, I am correct that NC was the one who proposed i23 :D, still a good thing. Also, believe earlier in this thread it was stated by..I forgot who  :-\ but I know they were reputable, that only..3(?) people are involved with the actual negotiations outside of Nate..That's alot to take on for 3 people  :o

NC trying to sell the COH IP before they decided to pull the plug would have been a good thing, sure...if that's actually true. There's been no solid proof of that, and many have suggested that they only said that in their statement just to save face.

I'd like to believe them, but who knows at the end of the day *laughs*. And truthfully, I'm reluctant to believe anything about whose involved or not involved in these efforts until I hear it directly from the source (i.e. Nate Downes, or perhaps Ironwolf).

[LaughingAlex]

Its also worth pointing out that just because transwarp beaming technology exists, doesn't mean starships have become irrelevant.  There's at least two problems with transwarp beaming that can limit its usefulness relative to starships.  The first is that you still have to know exactly where you're beaming to.  When its a known location that may not be a problem, but you cannot explore the galaxy with transwarp transporters.  The second potential problem is that because its still relatively new technology and probably exotic technology there's no reason to assume it has been perfected yet.  Even if it works 99.99% of the time that is good enough for Kirk to try to use it to reboard the Enterprise and Khan to escape Earth but it means thousands or even millions of people being disintegrated in transwarp beaming accidents every year if you tried to replace starships with it.  Even *regular* transporters have a certain observed if small error rate usually due to unexpected circumstances or environmental conditions.  The fact that starfleet still uses shuttlecraft suggests that transporters are a technology like helicopters: we use them when we need to, and people don't usually get too nervous when they ride them, but they are still not as safe as jogging across the street.   It is even possible that the portable transwarp transporter Khan used** had an even larger malfunction rate due to its compact size and energy capacity.  So the people complaining that transwarp technology makes starships irrelevant are either joking, or being unrealistic about how technology actually works.

Similar arguments can be made about Khan's "miracle blood" by the way.




** It is also possible the device Khan used was not a portable transwarp transporter, but just a transporter relay and he actually used a land-based transwarp transporter station that Section 31 had somewhere on Earth.

To reinforce the point of how tech works and whatnot, in Starcraft the protoss have teleporting tech that beats the pants off star treks.  Yet they still need ships.  They can teleport entire buildings and armies yet they still need command ships and whatnot.  And space fighters to.  So they still hadnt obsoleted space ships.  So star treks star fleet has a long way to go before perfecting teleportation :).

Honestly, star treks star fleet would have to also invent mega robots for space combat and whatnot before they obsolete themselves rather than some awesome teleportation tech.  Not to mention counter techs disrupting materialization and whatnot im pretty sure teleportation wouldn't obsolete space ships.

[MegaWatt]

i'd prefer star trek with mega robots.....Enterprise is actually optimus prime.

[LaughingAlex]

i'd prefer star trek with mega robots.....Enterprise is actually optimus prime.

The original series had robots, and not all of them were talked into suicide by Captain Kirk.  One was even blown up from the inside :).

[darkgob]

i'd prefer star trek with mega robots.....Enterprise is actually optimus prime.

This is the only (pardon me) logical conclusion to the JJA Star Trek franchise.  The Enterprise is seemingly destroyed in the teasers for STB, so it would be the perfect time to do it.

(EDIT note: minor wording tweak.)

[Arcana]

The original series had robots, and not all of them were talked into suicide by Captain Kirk.

Although it is staggering to consider how many of them were.  Nomad of course.  You could argue that Rok, Korby, Andrea, *and* replacement Kirk were all sort of talked into suicide.  All the androids on Mudd's planet including in particular Norman were talked into suicide.  Rayna was talked into a lethal nervous breakdown.  Kirk talked M5 into suicide, and M5 was technically a robot.

In retrospect, it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Kirk met Lore.

[Arcana]

This is the only (pardon me) logical conclusion to the JJA Star Trek franchise.

I think you are confusing JJ Abrams and Michael Bay.

[darkgob]

I think you are confusing JJ Abrams and Michael Bay.

I know what I said, and I stand by it.

[Thunder Glove]

i'd prefer star trek with mega robots.....Enterprise is actually optimus prime.

Or Sky Lynx.

[LaughingAlex]

I know what I said, and I stand by it.

JJ doesn't exclusively rely on explosions and sex jokes to make his movies good, though.

(Edit: I am not, by any means, implying that Bay makes good movies.  Far from it.)

[Stitchified]

So, Question for everyone: Any of y'all have any family or friends with birthdays around Christmas and/or New Years?

I myself, have my mom's birthday only 5 days before Christmas, my dad's birthday on the 3rd of this month (which happens to be exactly 2 weeks after my mom's birthday), then my birthday on the 11th of this month.

Only downside is that Christmas + Birthdays = quite a bit of money gets spent :P

[darkgob]

JJ doesn't exclusively rely on explosions and sex jokes to make his movies good, though.

He does when he makes Star Trek movies (minus the "good" part).

[Power Gamer]

*snip*
In retrospect, it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Kirk met Lore.

This would have been AWESOME!

[darkgob]

In retrospect, it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Kirk met Lore.

Probably a snapped neck.