New efforts!

[Remaugen]

I know there is reporting, but I am not sure if it is down to keystroke level. I kinda doubt it is that deep actually, simply from the impossibility to analyze that much data. I realize it is a hazard of software testing, though it had been going pretty smoothly up to this point.

I am ok with it though, until today there was a lot to love about Win 10!

[Noyjitat]

I wish they would stop moving stuff around or disabling it by default such as the administrator account in windows 7. I liked how everything was organized back during windows 98 and then every edition after has moved something or having to enable run as admin. Little annoyances like thaf you know? And this the bizarre decision of launching widows 8 without a startmenu...

[FloatingFatMan]

I know there is reporting, but I am not sure if it is down to keystroke level. I kinda doubt it is that deep actually, simply from the impossibility to analyze that much data. I realize it is a hazard of software testing, though it had been going pretty smoothly up to this point.

I am ok with it though, until today there was a lot to love about Win 10!

It is. Stated as such by Microsoft themselves. Has to be as they need to know exactly what the user was doing when a bug happens.

Such data is almost never seen by a human, it gets analysed by tools, but still the recording exists which is why you shouldn't use it on a production machine, and should never use it for things like online banking etc.

[FloatingFatMan]

I wish they would stop moving stuff around or disabling it by default such as the administrator account in windows 7. I liked how everything was organized back during windows 98 and then every edition after has moved something or having to enable run as admin. Little annoyances like thaf you know? And this the bizarre decision of launching widows 8 without a startmenu...

Don't worry, the Start Menu is back in Windows 10, though has gone through quite a face lift!

[Remaugen]

I love the new start menu with the "Pin to Start" feature, but those who like the Win 8/8.1 pane can have that too if they wish.

[Arcana]

It is. Stated as such by Microsoft themselves. Has to be as they need to know exactly what the user was doing when a bug happens.

Such data is almost never seen by a human, it gets analysed by tools, but still the recording exists which is why you shouldn't use it on a production machine, and should never use it for things like online banking etc.

My understanding is that the Win10 beta isn't logging our keystrokes directly, but it can in some circumstances send our keystrokes to Microsoft implicitly as part of other logging, such as logging the performance of textual autocomplete.  By definition, logging those features would be recording what you ultimately typed into those features, but its not literally recording every keypress.  Because logging is so extensive in the beta, its bound to capture a large amount of the data we type into Win10.  Menu accelerators, search fields, things of that nature.  I do not think if you opened a notepad document and typed something into it, Win10 actually recorded every keypress of that doc and sent it to Microsoft.

But of course, because you can't tell what its recording, its best not to do anything you wouldn't want recorded.  Even if Microsoft isn't deliberately recording everything you do, that doesn't mean it won't record anything in particular.  According to the beta terms, you agree to allow them to record anything they want in theory.

[Arcana]

I learned the value of a HDD mirror today. The latest Win 10 update sent my machine into a hard crash loop, boot/crash, boot/crash over and over. Nothing I could do could stop it or save it, so I sacrificed the mirror for a clean re-install. When I went to the forums to report it they had obviously had their fill as it had already been patched.

When it comes to testing new operating systems, you should consider learning the value of VMware workstation.

[Azrael]

My understanding is that the Win10 beta isn't logging our keystrokes directly, but it can in some circumstances send our keystrokes to Microsoft implicitly as part of other logging, such as logging the performance of textual autocomplete.  By definition, logging those features would be recording what you ultimately typed into those features, but its not literally recording every keypress.  Because logging is so extensive in the beta, its bound to capture a large amount of the data we type into Win10.  Menu accelerators, search fields, things of that nature.  I do not think if you opened a notepad document and typed something into it, Win10 actually recorded every keypress of that doc and sent it to Microsoft.

But of course, because you can't tell what its recording, its best not to do anything you wouldn't want recorded.  Even if Microsoft isn't deliberately recording everything you do, that doesn't mean it won't record anything in particular.  According to the beta terms, you agree to allow them to record anything they want in theory.

After two decades, Windows still in Beta, eh?

Azrael.

[Aggelakis]

After two decades, Windows still in Beta, eh?

Cute but incorrect.

[Vee]

If it makes you feel better some users got that same reboot loop from a Windows 7 update last week  ;D

[Remaugen]

As best I could tell, it may have had something to do with a failing "OneDrive" check script.

[Surelle]

If it makes you feel better some users got that same reboot loop from a Windows 7 update last week  ;D

Heck, my Trend Micro internet security started doing that the other day as I renewed it as well.   :P  There was even a link inside the Trend window to click if it happened, lol.

[Remaugen]

Looked at VMware Workstation, Yikes! For $250 I will pass and just put up with sacrificing my mirror drive. . .

[FloatingFatMan]

Looked at VMware Workstation, Yikes! For $250 I will pass and just put up with sacrificing my mirror drive. . .

VMWare Player is free to use, and runs W10 perfectly well.

[rebel 1812]

My understanding is that the Win10 beta isn't logging our keystrokes directly, but it can in some circumstances send our keystrokes to Microsoft implicitly as part of other logging, such as logging the performance of textual autocomplete.  By definition, logging those features would be recording what you ultimately typed into those features, but its not literally recording every keypress.  Because logging is so extensive in the beta, its bound to capture a large amount of the data we type into Win10.  Menu accelerators, search fields, things of that nature.  I do not think if you opened a notepad document and typed something into it, Win10 actually recorded every keypress of that doc and sent it to Microsoft.

But of course, because you can't tell what its recording, its best not to do anything you wouldn't want recorded.  Even if Microsoft isn't deliberately recording everything you do, that doesn't mean it won't record anything in particular.  According to the beta terms, you agree to allow them to record anything they want in theory.

That sounds like something I want under no circumstances on my PC.  I hate the line of "its best not to do anything you wouldn't want recorded".  Doesn't matter what you are doing do you want some weirdo voyeur watching it?  Our houses have walls and curtains for a reason.

[ivanhedgehog]

That sounds like something I want under no circumstances on my PC.  I hate the line of "its best not to do anything you wouldn't want recorded".  Doesn't matter what you are doing do you want some weirdo voyeur watching it?  Our houses have walls and curtains for a reason.

its a beta. they will remove that before launch. the logging is there for a reason

[FloatingFatMan]

That sounds like something I want under no circumstances on my PC.  I hate the line of "its best not to do anything you wouldn't want recorded".  Doesn't matter what you are doing do you want some weirdo voyeur watching it?  Our houses have walls and curtains for a reason.

Such logging is only in the technical preview, and they tell you before you can download it what they're doing so it's with full knowledge and agreement.

[Brigadine]

If it makes you feel better some users got that same reboot loop from a Windows 7 update last week  ;D

Yeah totally dumped on my windows 8.1 machene... Was not a windows 10 preview exclusive thing... I wonder what MS did to cause the same issue on all their active OS's?

[Noyjitat]

Don't worry, the Start Menu is back in Windows 10, though has gone through quite a face lift!

I assumed so when they reinstated it with windows 8.1.

[Vee]

Yeah totally dumped on my windows 8.1 machene... Was not a windows 10 preview exclusive thing... I wonder what MS did to cause the same issue on all their active OS's?

weird. my 8.1 update list didn't have the offending update number in it. maybe they yanked it before i got around to doing them.