New efforts!

[Super Firebug]

I want CoX back.
I want to marvel again at how the outgoing trains leave the stations, while the arrivals train never moves.
I want to stand and watch the moon rise in the south again, while wondering if the devs know anything about basic astronomy.
I want to have to remind new players again to loiter a bit after defeating Freaks, in case of a rez.
I want to go to Indy Port and again be one-shotted by the giant octopus for super-jumping onto its head (which it distinctly doesn't like).
I want to mutter angrily when a zone event again makes me put off the street-hunting necessary to complete a mission.
Along the same lines, I want to stand near the south Steel Canyon train station again and mutter angrily when the 5th Column make it hard to street-hunt the Council.

Don't get me wrong. I was glad, when the closure announcement came down, that I had CO to fall back on; it did help a little with the withdrawal. And I admit that there are some things that I'd like CoX to pick up from CO (my cowboy will miss having belt holsters when he moves back to Paragon City). But, for the opportunity to face even one Freakshow again, I'd trade 10,000 Maniacs.

(The musical group OR the CO villains.)

[MM3squints]

One of my favorite episodes. When City of Heroes comes back, someone should make an arc where someone has to "Raise the Bar" as their primary goal. I'd play that in a heartbeat.

Only question is what kind of powers would James Cameron have?

I would say some kind of Pet less MM because on the show he basically had "minions" that did crap while he did all the work, but James Cameron just had the minions around to tell them how great he is.

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[FloatingFatMan]

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Get that guy some hair conditioner and detangling spray, stat!!

[brothermutant]

Get that guy some hair conditioner and detangling spray, stat!!

Dude has dreadlocks that went sooo bad. :D

[Ultimate15]

if they drag this out a year, it will most likely be too late. the IP loses value every month it sits. this isnt something with an innate value like superman or xmen.

While I do think it's important to note that IronWolf did state there are other interested parties in the mix separate from Nate and his team (as Super Firebug had mentioned), Ivan DOES bring up an interesting question.

Granted, this may be just another "we can only merely speculate, as not enough information is confirmed/known at this point" - which is totally fine and completely understandable - but I can't help but be curious as to what Nate's timeline is here regarding the possibility of 'throwing in the towel' (hate that saying, especially in this context). Like, let's say another year goes by and it's still 'no news is good news'. I wonder if the mentality is one of which will keep the negotiations open indefinitely in the hopes that they'll eventually come around? Or is there a cap set, i.e. "Okay, it's been two years. Let's explore other options with this."

Thoughts?

[Felderburg]

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The difference between then and now is that it is much easier to debunk this stuff than it was then.

http://xkcd.com/1235/

It might be different in various states.   In Texas, it's run by the state to generate funds for various things like education. (Which I'm sure they spend on other stuff instead)

So it does seem odd that you can win money from them...but they then take a big chunk of it before handing it to you.Probably true.

Yeah, here in NM the state lottery also generates funds for education (although it's no longer solvent, so... I don't know what that means). But aren't the BIG multi state lotteries, that make the news, private companies?

Anyways, even employees of the federal government have to pay taxes on their paychecks. So I don't see why any money given from the gov't shouldn't be taxed.

You'll be surprised to know there actually was a series of comic books.

Do tell!

I believe there is sentient life out there.  I think it falls into three categories.  Those species that are advanced enough to visit us, but have learned enough about us already to know that now is not the best time for a first contact situation; those that are essentially at the same stage of development as we are, and lack the ability to do anything but send electromagnetic signals beyond the confines of our own solar system.  The third would be those that are even more backward than ourselves, philosophically, developmentally, and technologically.

Um... what about the fourth category? "Those species advanced enough to visit us" that just aren't here yet because sleeper ships take a long time and hey, we ain't gonna be advanced enough to stop the invasion anyways.

In other words... why are your advanced aliens benevolent?

[FloatingFatMan]

In other words... why are your advanced aliens benevolent?

Why are yours hostile?

[Felderburg]

Why are yours hostile?

I believe there can be both, but anderu appears to have left out the possibility for hostile aliens entirely.

[Joshex]

if they drag this out a year, it will most likely be too late. the IP loses value every month it sits. this isnt something with an innate value like superman or xmen. it is an easily recreatable world thats main value is player familiarity. if VO or COT have modern "versions" of the game available, there really wont be much space left in the niche for a 12 year old game that cant be updated. if this falls through I cant see any one seriously trying again.

I'm sorry I have to disagree, I have done studies on replay value of video-games. what I found contains 2 key elements which keep it going; Former players wanting to play it again for some form of nostalgia and then falling into it for months or years, and new players who; regardless the graphics are always looking for something new to them and fun.

As other games have turned into a micropay buy your way to power situation  anyone who does stumble on CoX will feel relief and thereby satisfaction.

Modern games are digging their own graves. little do they know the floor is about to fall out from beneath their feet into a bottomless pit. That's what I was thinking while in the Product design seminar today when the professor started explaining the Magic Quadrant, all I could think the entire class was "Completeness of vision and ability to execute, LoL modern MMOs vision is just to put out a slap together mega-grinder MMO with pre-made stuff and make money, that's like; hardly a vision at all, they are practically hugging the right wall of the magic quadrant grid of 'ability to execute'. Damn barracuda, challengers. Oh well it's their own funeral the moment someone who understands the players releases something on the leader-board."

[Relitner]

I want CoX back.
I want to marvel again at how the outgoing trains leave the stations, while the arrivals train never moves.
I want to stand and watch the moon rise in the south again, while wondering if the devs know anything about basic astronomy.
I want to have to remind new players again to loiter a bit after defeating Freaks, in case of a rez.
I want to go to Indy Port and again be one-shotted by the giant octopus for super-jumping onto its head (which it distinctly doesn't like).
I want to mutter angrily when a zone event again makes me put off the street-hunting necessary to complete a mission.
Along the same lines, I want to stand near the south Steel Canyon train station again and mutter angrily when the 5th Column make it hard to street-hunt the Council.

Don't get me wrong. I was glad, when the closure announcement came down, that I had CO to fall back on; it did help a little with the withdrawal. And I admit that there are some things that I'd like CoX to pick up from CO (my cowboy will miss having belt holsters when he moves back to Paragon City). But, for the opportunity to face even one Freakshow again, I'd trade 10,000 Maniacs.

(The musical group OR the CO villains.)

Is it just me, or does anybody else find it weird that firebug got both #10000 and #15000?

[JanessaVR]

I believe there can be both, but anderu appears to have left out the possibility for hostile aliens entirely.

I seem to recall reading an essay from a xenologist some years back and he noted that, historically, looking at our own world, when a more advanced civilization comes into contact with a less advanced civilization, things tend to go...poorly...for the less advanced one.

[Burnt Toast]

Sorry but I disagree. Even if it takes another year... the mere mention that CoH is back is going to garner a lot of gaming news for starters. Once past players find out it is coming back...and the details of everything... I truly believe a decent percentage (40-50%) will return. Mind you 40-50% is a lot of revenue for a maintenance mode game. You also have to remember that the end goal of this is not JUST CoH i23 Legacy... but CoH 1.5.


The "value" of CoH monetarily skydived on 12/1/2012 the moment the servers went black. The "value" of CoH as a beloved game is still very much strong today and will continue to be strong until the deal IS signed; not if/when.

if they drag this out a year, it will most likely be too late. the IP loses value every month it sits. this isnt something with an innate value like superman or xmen. it is an easily recreatable world thats main value is player familiarity. if VO or COT have modern "versions" of the game available, there really wont be much space left in the niche for a 12 year old game that cant be updated. if this falls through I cant see any one seriously trying again.

[Burnt Toast]

That's because the newer civilization is more advanced and has something the previous one did not have... new weapons.. etc. CoH is not a civilization for starters. CoH is a unique experience that cannot be duplicated. I fully support VO... in best wishes and in monetary support, BUT it is NOT CoH. If both games "launch" on the same day... my time and money would be spent on both.... The one that needs to be worried are the successor projects... because as we all know... humans seek comfort in that which is familiar :) While the successors aim to emulate and be like CoH... to quote a pretty popular film:


There's no place like home.

I seem to recall reading an essay from a xenologist some years back and he noted that, historically, looking at our own world, when a more advanced civilization comes into contact with a less advanced civilization, things tend to go...poorly...for the less advanced one.

[Ohioknight]

I believe there is sentient life out there.  I think it falls into three categories.  Those species that are advanced enough to visit us, but have learned enough about us already to know that now is not the best time for a first contact situation; those that are essentially at the same stage of development as we are, and lack the ability to do anything but send electromagnetic signals beyond the confines of our own solar system.  The third would be those that are even more backward than ourselves, philosophically, developmentally, and technologically.

Um... what about the fourth category? "Those species advanced enough to visit us" that just aren't here yet because sleeper ships take a long time and hey, we ain't gonna be advanced enough to stop the invasion anyways.

Speaking as what passes for an expert, it seems very likely to me  that advanced tech species replace biology when they get the ability to do it.  So how small could one theoretically make a non-biological intelligent person -- and then why would you ever make one bigger than that?  So "they" might perfectly well be here... and LIVING IN OUR EYES!!! AHHHH AAHHHHH AHHHHHHHHH!

[JanessaVR]

That's because the newer civilization is more advanced and has something the previous one did not have... new weapons.. etc. CoH is not a civilization for starters. CoH is a unique experience that cannot be duplicated. I fully support VO... in best wishes and in monetary support, BUT it is NOT CoH. If both games "launch" on the same day... my time and money would be spent on both.... The one that needs to be worried are the successor projects... because as we all know... humans seek comfort in that which is familiar :) While the successors aim to emulate and be like CoH... to quote a pretty popular film:

There's no place like home.

Um...I was commenting on another sub-topic here, but...ok...

[Harpospoke]

It's funny how often many people forget this.  I know not everyone would feel this way, but in many cases, things could be worse...

If we just had a time machine, that would convince people in a hurry.  :D

Just go back a mere 150 years...you'll be scrambling to get back into that time machine after a week at most.   Our ancestors ate "organic food" exclusively and struggled to live past 40.  Something as simple as finding water that is safe to drink would be a challenge....something we totally take for granted.

Heck....go back and trade places with Henry VIII or Julius Caesar and see how even the richest people on the planet had inferior lives to ours.   Henry VIII suffered many health problems that made him miserable ..his wealth couldn't do a thing about it.   Today modern medicine would make his problems easy to deal with.    ...Not to mention he wouldn't have been jousting to get his thrills!

I'll keep my automobile, cell phone, cable TV, indoor plumbing, laundry machines, deodorant, shaver, food choices, air conditioner, electric guitar, internet, etc.  I can walk a few steps and take a shower at any temperature I want....hot water on demand is a miracle!   And I'm "poor"!

This is a good read.   http://www.amazon.com/Its-Getting-Better-All-Time/dp/1882577965

[FloatingFatMan]

I believe there can be both, but anderu appears to have left out the possibility for hostile aliens entirely.

Well, they could just be mildly indifferent.

[hurple]

Don't get me wrong. I was glad, when the closure announcement came down, that I had CO to fall back on; it did help a little with the withdrawal. And I admit that there are some things that I'd like CoX to pick up from CO (my cowboy will miss having belt holsters when he moves back to Paragon City). But, for the opportunity to face even one Freakshow again, I'd trade 10,000 Maniacs.

And I'd LOVE having an arch-nemesis in CoH

[Taceus Jiwede]

I believe there can be both, but anderu appears to have left out the possibility for hostile aliens entirely.

I would be shocked if an entire species all behaved exactly the same way.  With no emotional or behavioral differences from each other.  Especially a species that would be intelligent enough to fare space and travel an insane amount of time through a mostly empty galaxy(In terms of life).  Like most intelligent species.  Some would be Emphatic, some apathetic.  Some cruel, some kind

[Felderburg]

I seem to recall reading an essay from a xenologist some years back and he noted that, historically, looking at our own world, when a more advanced civilization comes into contact with a less advanced civilization, things tend to go...poorly...for the less advanced one.

Google "Active SETI" and you'll find articles about it.

That's because the newer civilization is more advanced and has something the previous one did not have... new weapons.. etc. CoH is not a civilization for starters. CoH is a unique experience that cannot be duplicated. I fully support VO... in best wishes and in monetary support, BUT it is NOT CoH. If both games "launch" on the same day... my time and money would be spent on both.... The one that needs to be worried are the successor projects... because as we all know... humans seek comfort in that which is familiar :) While the successors aim to emulate and be like CoH... to quote a pretty popular film:


There's no place like home.

This could be an interesting line of thought... MMO market competition as mapped out via civilization-interaction theories...

I would be shocked if an entire species all behaved exactly the same way.  With no emotional or behavioral differences from each other.  Especially a species that would be intelligent enough to fare space and travel an insane amount of time through a mostly empty galaxy(In terms of life).  Like most intelligent species.  Some would be Emphatic, some apathetic.  Some cruel, some kind

Well, sure, but if everyone on a ship is a soldier, they're liable to be emphatically destructive, as opposed to empathetic and kindly.