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FloatingFatMan

Quote from: Felderburg on February 13, 2015, 10:38:48 PM
Well, sure, but if everyone on a ship is a soldier, they're liable to be emphatically destructive, as opposed to empathetic and kindly.

It's not really a good idea to try to apply human motivations to something that isn't human. That's just you projecting your own human fears of the unknown onto something you have an unconscious (or conscious) fear of, probably due to an over-active imagination and too much SyFy channel. :p

Super Firebug

Quote from: hurple on February 13, 2015, 09:48:24 PM
And I'd LOVE having an arch-nemesis in CoH

I've never tried having a nemesis for any of my toons. From what I hear, there's no way to "shut him off" if you just want to do some housekeeping, or experiment with something, or wait for a costume contest. Having a nemesis sounds like having to deal with Inspector Clouseau's psychotic houseboy, Kato - ready to strike without warning at any moment.
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Angel Phoenix77

Quote from: hurple on February 13, 2015, 09:48:24 PM
And I'd LOVE having an arch-nemesis in CoH
that was one of the best aspects of co, however, it is sad that pwe/cryptic never expanded it. I would love for 1.5 to add it though.
One day the Phoenix will rise again.

ivanhedgehog

Quote from: Burnt Toast on February 13, 2015, 08:13:52 PM
Sorry but I disagree. Even if it takes another year... the mere mention that CoH is back is going to garner a lot of gaming news for starters. Once past players find out it is coming back...and the details of everything... I truly believe a decent percentage (40-50%) will return. Mind you 40-50% is a lot of revenue for a maintenance mode game. You also have to remember that the end goal of this is not JUST CoH i23 Legacy... but CoH 1.5.


The "value" of CoH monetarily skydived on 12/1/2012 the moment the servers went black. The "value" of CoH as a beloved game is still very much strong today and will continue to be strong until the deal IS signed; not if/when.

the longer this drags out the less it is worth. If people have spent a couple of months leveling new characters, getting to know a new world and game structure, they will be less inclined to dump that and run back to perma i23. Nate and crew have spent a considerable amount of time and money attempting this. if the perception becomes that they were stonewalled and ignored, no one will be prepared to spend a significant amount of capital to try again. this time next year both VO and COT will be out there...while many of us want back coh at all costs..thats not really something you can market

Noyjitat

Unless you know something I don't.. I won't be holding my breath on CoT being launched next year. (all of the kickstarter updates have been lore except for a few showing some screenshots, concept art and user interface) It doesn't seem like an alpha testing stage is even ready and the costume creator that we we're supposed to be getting early isn't out yet.

I think when they got the unreal4 engine that changed everything. Not a bad thing either if it looks better and runs better.

darkgob

Quote from: ivanhedgehog on February 13, 2015, 11:48:12 PM
this time next year both VO and COT will be out there...while many of us want back coh at all costs..thats not really something you can market

No offense to either development team at VO and CoT, but there's no more guarantee that either of those games will come out, than there is for CoH coming back.

Quote from: Noyjitat on February 14, 2015, 12:05:38 AM
Unless you know something I don't.. I won't be holding my breath on CoT being launched next year. (all of the kickstarter updates have been lore except for a few showing some screenshots, concept art and user interface) It doesn't seem like an alpha testing stage is even ready and the costume creator that we we're supposed to be getting early isn't out yet.

I think when they got the unreal4 engine that changed everything. Not a bad thing either if it looks better and runs better.

Yeah I've really been disappointed with their updates.  If this is how they're starting out their PR they're going to put themselves into a bad position...

Arcana

Quote from: Taceus Jiwede on February 13, 2015, 10:00:39 PM
I would be shocked if an entire species all behaved exactly the same way.  With no emotional or behavioral differences from each other.  Especially a species that would be intelligent enough to fare space and travel an insane amount of time through a mostly empty galaxy(In terms of life).  Like most intelligent species.  Some would be Emphatic, some apathetic.  Some cruel, some kind
This is even a trope: fictional alien species tend to be portrayed as all one thing, and only humanity tends to be heterogeneous. 

Although the various aliens described in the Ancient Aliens series do break that trope, since they are a rather eclectic lot: they pretend to be gods and have sex with our women and occasionally cows, they build pyramids and rule over civilizations, they stack stone blocks in the middle of nowhere, they graffiti the planet, manipulate evolution, pretend to be the devil, take humans for joyrides, sink continents, teleport between dimensions, transfer technology, transplant people, and curate anthropomorphic zoos.  I have no idea how even an entire race of aliens would have the time to do all of that, except of course they can also time travel.

Whatelse73

Quote from: FloatingFatMan on February 13, 2015, 09:43:54 PM
Well, they could just be mildly indifferent.

Don't put that kind of evil on our planet.  The last thing we need is hipster aliens to come here...

Noyjitat

Quote from: darkgob on February 14, 2015, 12:07:24 AM
No offense to either development team at VO and CoT, but there's no more guarantee that either of those games will come out, than there is for CoH coming back.

Yeah I've really been disappointed with their updates.  If this is how they're starting out their PR they're going to put themselves into a bad position...

I think it's safe to say both of them will come out. And I didn't mean to sound as if I was putting the team at CoT down or anything but this is the first mmo most of them have ever worked on isn't it? And with limited funds and everything I just can't expect them to have it ready and playable in a shorter time frame than a game with a huge budget and a much larger studio working on it.

It would be unreasonable and unrealistic unless it really is that much easier to develop in unreal4.

Brigadine

Ok so might interest people to know Windows 10 is fully compatible with some old games like Battlefield 1942. Gives me hope for classic CoH being compatible too.

Abraxus

Quote from: Felderburg on February 13, 2015, 07:16:35 PM
I believe there can be both, but anderu appears to have left out the possibility for hostile aliens entirely.

I considered it, but the possibility of first contact being an invasion, rather than a monumental step towards a new age of enlightenment about the universe we live in, pretty much ends the discussion.  If they have the technology to get here in the first place, it would follow that their weaponry would be vastly superior to ours, and the luckiest of us will be kept around as slave labor.  It would be nice to think that we could pull of an "Independence Day" kind of last minute save, but the likelihood leans towards swift annihilation...and what fun is that to talk about?

As for the return of CoH, it is hard to know where to set realistic expectations when the mere mention of a potential timeline violates the NDA, and threatens the whole deal.  Personally, I find that a bit over the top, but I am sure that in their warped and twisted world of big business, NCSoft has its reasons for being so unreasonable.
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Dareon Kale

Quote from: anderu on February 14, 2015, 02:21:24 AM
I considered it, but the possibility of first contact being an invasion, rather than a monumental step towards a new age of enlightenment about the universe we live in, pretty much ends the discussion.  If they have the technology to get here in the first place, it would follow that their weaponry would be vastly superior to ours, and the luckiest of us will be kept around as slave labor.  It would be nice to think that we could pull of an "Independence Day" kind of last minute save, but the likelihood leans towards swift annihilation...and what fun is that to talk about?

As for the return of CoH, it is hard to know where to set realistic expectations when the mere mention of a potential timeline violates the NDA, and threatens the whole deal.  Personally, I find that a bit over the top, but I am sure that in their warped and twisted world of big business, NCSoft has its reasons for being so unreasonable.

There is a basic flaw in Independence Day. If an alien race is advanced enough to achieve interstellar travel, then they are far and away advanced enough to have some form of orbital bombardment. You'd be lucky to even know what their ships looked like much less what the actual aliens looked like before they annihilated the vast majority of humanity.
However, we aren't advanced enough to be interesting, and, unless there is a supreme shortage of life supporting worlds (as we know them anyway), it would most likely be economically counterproductive to conduct an invasion of a populated world outside of their constellation.

hurple

Quote from: Arcana on February 14, 2015, 01:26:04 AM
Aliens series do break that trope, since they are a rather eclectic lot: they pretend to be gods and have sex with our women and occasionally cows,

Holy crap!  They're from Alabama?

Void Huntress

Quote from: Arcana on February 14, 2015, 01:26:04 AM
This is even a trope: fictional alien species tend to be portrayed as all one thing, and only humanity tends to be heterogeneous. 

Although the various aliens described in the Ancient Aliens series do break that trope, since they are a rather eclectic lot: they pretend to be gods and have sex with our women and occasionally cows, they build pyramids and rule over civilizations, they stack stone blocks in the middle of nowhere, they graffiti the planet, manipulate evolution, pretend to be the devil, take humans for joyrides, sink continents, teleport between dimensions, transfer technology, transplant people, and curate anthropomorphic zoos.  I have no idea how even an entire race of aliens would have the time to do all of that, except of course they can also time travel.

What if they're gods PRETENDING to be aliens pretending to be gods? That frees up a lot of time allotment.

Arcana

Quote from: Dareon Kale on February 14, 2015, 03:44:31 AM
There is a basic flaw in Independence Day. If an alien race is advanced enough to achieve interstellar travel, then they are far and away advanced enough to have some form of orbital bombardment. You'd be lucky to even know what their ships looked like much less what the actual aliens looked like before they annihilated the vast majority of humanity.
However, we aren't advanced enough to be interesting, and, unless there is a supreme shortage of life supporting worlds (as we know them anyway), it would most likely be economically counterproductive to conduct an invasion of a populated world outside of their constellation.

The theory I came up with to partially explain the behavior of the aliens in ID4 which seems to have been independently proposed many times is that the aliens in ID4 are not the civilization that produced the technology that created the invasion fleet.  A civilization with that capability wouldn't need to specifically invade us in the first place.  But its possible a far less advanced civilization could somehow acquire or hijack such technology.  Doing so could have partially evened the scales between the aliens and humanity because the aliens would themselves be operators of the technology and not its masters, which would make them vulnerable by virtue of not necessarily using it optimally.

One interesting piece of supporting evidence is that in over 50 years their fighter technology does not appear to have advanced in any significant way.  It doesn't even appear to have advanced in any superficial way.  That suggests the aliens, as a race, are end users not engineers.

We also tend to make assumptions about technological advancement, in particular that any civilization more advanced than us will be more advanced in every possible way.  But there's no reason to presume, for example, that an advanced space faring civilization will be so much more advanced than us that, say, their methods of communications encryption will be astronomically beyond our comprehension.  There is no specific reason why highly advanced technology must go hand in hand with advanced theoretical number theory.

On a related subject, I've never understood the flak that ID4 gets for depicting David tapping into and later hacking into the alien systems' communcations network with a Macbook.  If it was a linux laptop with a software radio transceiver I suspect there would have been fewer objections, but I have often asked people what tool they would have used instead.  What's the appropriate tool to receive radio signals, process them, and then write software to analyze it, if not a computer?

Blackgrue

Quote from: Angel Phoenix77 on February 13, 2015, 11:35:40 PM
that was one of the best aspects of co, however, it is sad that pwe/cryptic never expanded it. I would love for 1.5 to add it though.

Then again AE let you bring people IN to fight your Nemesis :-P and Despite what CO says it blocks you from doing so.
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Joshex

Quote from: gruegirl on February 14, 2015, 09:59:47 AM
Then again AE let you bring people IN to fight your Nemesis :-P and Despite what CO says it blocks you from doing so.

I like AE a lot more, it allowed you to pick maps, design everything from minions to AVs import giant monsters and other game content and even turn LR into a stoned do-nothing hippie who needs to be rescued from his hallucinations.

it wasn't just about fighting your own nemesis, it was about creating something fun for others to enjoy too.
There is always another way. But it might not work exactly like you may desire.

A wise old rabbit once told me "Never give-up!, Trust your instincts!" granted the advice at the time led me on a tripped-out voyage out of an asteroid belt, but hey it was more impressive than a bunch of rocks and space monkies.

FloatingFatMan

Quote from: Arcana on February 14, 2015, 09:25:56 AM
On a related subject, I've never understood the flak that ID4 gets for depicting David tapping into and later hacking into the alien systems' communcations network with a Macbook.  If it was a linux laptop with a software radio transceiver I suspect there would have been fewer objections, but I have often asked people what tool they would have used instead.  What's the appropriate tool to receive radio signals, process them, and then write software to analyze it, if not a computer?

The flak was never about accessing their transmission. The flak was about him being able to write a virus on his mac, upload it to the alien computers, and it actually run...

Not. Going. To. Happen.

Sugoi

Quote from: hurple on February 13, 2015, 09:48:24 PM
And I'd LOVE having an arch-nemesis in CoH

What I'd really like to see in the game is a modified PvP system where you have the option to get into a que and have the opposition mob in a mission being run by another player or players.  Could make quite a difference in running the same old missions over and over again.  And perhaps you could create a Global Opponents List, enabling a mutual consent nemesis battle.

rebel 1812

Quote from: MM3squints on February 13, 2015, 03:48:45 PM
I would say some kind of Pet less MM because on the show he basically had "minions" that did crap while he did all the work, but James Cameron just had the minions around to tell them how great he is.

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Alot of third person referencing .