New efforts!

[Surelle]

Some folks are saying why is it taking so long - if you read the last Downix posts, they are negotiating for more things. One side says we will give you this - can you give us that and a back and forth conversation.

This is all GOOD news. They are talking and everyone is dealing so far in good faith. This is the healthly type of give and take you want to have at a table. If one side says we want this and only this and we will only give you that - then things can go sour really fast. I am certain they are all under an NDA right now. This is again good news. This means that the deal is being taken seriously and not just talking well we might be willing to do that.

I know it sucks, I am every bit as sorry as the rest of you that it hasn't gone through yet. I do however know how big companies work and one thing potentially in our favor is the gap between Wildstar slowly sinking and Lineage's new expansion they may want some money in the bank to offset this - being able to say in a meeting well we were able to sell some of our older software - they may be open to move a little faster.

You know, this really does make sense.  Thanks for posting it.   :) 

And hey, did you guys see the new Massively blurb where NCSoft is testing cloud gaming so nobody will need a Korean account to play their Korean online games?  Everyone from everywhere could just link an account and jump right in.  Here's the Massively article:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/11/18/ncsoft-promises-a-simultaneous-global-release-for-lineage-eterna/

It's an odd thought; I'm not sure how I feel about that yet security-wise, everything being on the cloud like that.  However, so many game devs and publishers get hacked anyway now (not to mention droves of player accounts) that I suppose it couldn't get much worse.

I wonder if they could run CoX like that; cloud access for every country.   It would probably only be for their new games though, that were set up that way from the start.

[Sinistar]

You know, this really does make sense.  Thanks for posting it.   :) 

And hey, did you guys see the new Massively blurb where NCSoft is testing cloud gaming so nobody will need a Korean account to play their Korean online games?  Everyone from everywhere could just link an account and jump right in.  Here's the Massively article:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/11/18/ncsoft-promises-a-simultaneous-global-release-for-lineage-eterna/

It's an odd thought; I'm not sure how I feel about that yet security-wise, everything being on the cloud like that.  However, so many game devs and publishers get hacked anyway now (not to mention droves of player accounts) that I suppose it couldn't get much worse.

I wonder if they could run CoX like that; cloud access for every country.   It would probably only be for their new games though, that were set up that way from the start.

never presume that hacking cannot get worse then it is.

I would be loathe to start cloud gaming until I reviewed the security for the system.

Given NCSoft's track record/history....well we shall see how well their cloud tests perform.

[Illusionss]

never presume that hacking cannot get worse then it is.

I would be loathe to start cloud gaming until I reviewed the security for the system.

Given NCSoft's track record/history....well we shall see how well their cloud tests perform.

I detest the idea of cloud ANYTHING [computing clouds, not meterological ones] and I would sign up for a cloud-system MMO right about the twelveth of NEVER. My debit card, out there on a hackable cloud? Great idea, what could possibly go wrong.

Its like someone actually sits around going, "I wonder what wackadoo idea we can sell the Great Unwashed next? I know, let's [insert idea here, the stupider the better]." I view clouds as about as secure as that colander even now crouched in one of your kitchen cabinets.  8)

In other news, its all good till we hear a "no!" so I remain cautiously hopeful, as always.

[Sinistar]

I detest the idea of cloud ANYTHING [computing clouds, not meterological ones] and I would sign up for a cloud-system MMO right about the twelveth of NEVER. My debit card, out there on a hackable cloud? Great idea, what could possibly go wrong.

Its like someone actually sits around going, "I wonder what wackadoo idea we can sell the Great Unwashed next? I know, let's [insert idea here, the stupider the better]." I view clouds as about as secure as that colander even now crouched in one of your kitchen cabinets.  8)

In other news, its all good till we hear a "no!" so I remain cautiously hopeful, as always.

I share your sentiments about the data clouds, the big schtick is that people can store their files in them and access them anywhere.....hmmmm now what were those devices called? Oh yes......USB THUMBDRIVES :)    Honestly if someone can't handle using a thumbdrive and being smart enough to keep it secure so it doesn't get lost.......

Sorry, the IT tech in me is angry.

Back to CoH news, the mad scientist within me is still tinkering in MIDS, generating new build ideas in anticipation of the game's return.

[JanessaVR]

I share your sentiments about the data clouds, the big schtick is that people can store their files in them and access them anywhere.....hmmmm now what were those devices called? Oh yes......USB THUMBDRIVES :)    Honestly if someone can't handle using a thumbdrive and being smart enough to keep it secure so it doesn't get lost.......

Sorry, the IT tech in me is angry.

Back to CoH news, the mad scientist within me is still tinkering in MIDS, generating new build ideas in anticipation of the game's return.

Believe me, I hear you.  Especially since the data capacity of USB flash drives is really getting to good levels now.  I still use a pair of 4 TB external HDs for my backup (one kept in a safe at my house, the other locked up in an offsite location), but I have 2x 64 GB flash drives for daily use (1 primary, 1 backup).

I do also have Amazon cloud storage linked to my Kindle Fire HDX (64 GB), but I only ever store my PDF gaming books on that; I have an entire RPG library of books that I walk around with at any given time.

[Sinistar]

Believe me, I hear you.  Especially since the data capacity of USB flash drives is really getting to good levels now.  I still use a pair of 4 TB external HDs for my backup (one kept in a safe at my house, the other locked up in an offsite location), but I have 2x 64 GB flash drives for daily use (1 primary, 1 backup).

I do also have Amazon cloud storage linked to my Kindle Fire HDX (64 GB), but I only ever store my PDF gaming books on that; I have an entire RPG library of books that I walk around with at any given time.

I have 4  2TB USB drives and 2x 64GB thumbdrives, all stored securely on and off site. The offsite location is something only I could access and they are all passcode protected. 

It is amazing how some people just can't grasp using these things, half the time at work when I need the caller to go to specific website they always type the blasted URL into the search field and can't figure out where the address field is.........talk about rocket science....

Anyway, here's hoping for a swift return to CoH

[Codewalker]

Um, what? Cloud is just a marketing buzzword for "hosted by somebody else". It's meaningless except it means that your data is stored on somebody else's server and you don't worry about exactly how (until your cloud provider screws up anyway).

So "cloud gaming" is fairly nonsensical in the context that we're discussing it. By the classic definition, MMOs have always been "cloud".

[Noyjitat]

Everytime you use your credit, paypal, bankaccount etc anywhere it can be stolen... doesn't matter... Everything is hackable end of story.

Best bet is to get something like lifelock or *insert other company here*

This concludes my advertisement, thanks.

[darkgob]

Everytime you use your credit, paypal, bankaccount etc anywhere it can be stolen... doesn't matter... Everything is hackable end of story.

Best bet is to get something like lifelock or *insert other company here*

This concludes my advertisement, thanks.

LifeLock was fined by the FTC for deceptive advertising, namely that their services can protect you from what they claim to protect you from.  One of the founders famously publicized his SSN and became the victim of identity theft several times.  The company should be avoided.

Any bank or credit card company with half a corporate brain (which as anybody knows isn't even that much) has safeguards in place to detect potential fraud and notify their customers when it happens.  Most will even accept liability up to a certain amount.  Some might have extra protection services that you can sign up for.  Relying on an outside company, especially one with such a tainted reputation, is just about the dumbest thing you can do.

[Joshex]

Um, what? Cloud is just a marketing buzzword for "hosted by somebody else". It's meaningless except it means that your data is stored on somebody else's server and you don't worry about exactly how (until your cloud provider screws up anyway).

So "cloud gaming" is fairly nonsensical in the context that we're discussing it. By the classic definition, MMOs have always been "cloud".

technically 'cloud' uses servers but the server is not the storage point. in cloud storage the information is bounced back and forth between servers until it settles on the internet/phone line. It takes very complicated algorithms to retrieve it because it's all jumbled on thelines according to polarity. This is also why cloud storage can never be secure because it's out in the open and cannot be password protected except in the same way some zip/rar archives can be password protected.

it's why it was so easy for hackers to get the celebrity nudes, they were out in the open on the lines but jumbled up practically asking for trouble.

I assume cloud gaming might be storing the virtual server on the cloud and using the physical server for processing. - this is a very very bad idea. 4chan will kill your characters. one day you're a 50 fully slotted with all the sets you wanted +5ed and 4chan decides to play a "target the data" game where your character's save data happens to be with-in the threshold of the start and end points on the line then someone notes it "hey I just got this file says it's a game character save file for [game]" "sweet lets F that S up /b/ro!"

suddenly you're a level 1 your name is Pingas Scribbler and all your sets are gone, and you've dropped yourself from SGs permanently and you backstory is replaced with "dude, you've been hacked by 4chan /b/ro learn to protect your game save better."

[Power Gamer]

Hey, YOU, GET OFFA MY CLOUD!

[Mindscythe]

Never, I repeat, NEVER trust the cloud!

[Thunder Glove]

But without cloud storage, what will protect us from sephiroth stora— ow! OW!  Stop hitting me!  OW!

[Codewalker]

technically 'cloud' uses servers but the server is not the storage point. in cloud storage the information is bounced back and forth between servers until it settles on the internet/phone line. It takes very complicated algorithms to retrieve it because it's all jumbled on thelines according to polarity.

https://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q795/campweezer/misc/timecubeflierimg_zps7d4f019c.gif~original

[Surelle]

Hey, YOU, GET OFFA MY CLOUD!

Hehe!  Good one.

[OzonePrime]

Hey, YOU, GET OFFA MY CLOUD!

You live on the 99th floor of your block?

[Ankhammon]

https://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q795/campweezer/misc/timecubeflierimg_zps7d4f019c.gif~original

This is the most awesome thing I've never heard of.

Of course we've seen the error of our ways and will convert immediately.

[Illusionss]

Um, what? Cloud is just a marketing buzzword for "hosted by somebody else". It's meaningless except it means that your data is stored on somebody else's server and you don't worry about exactly how (until your cloud provider screws up anyway).

"Hosted by SOMEONE ELSE" is the problem here.

I read an article once by some guy who had his doctoral thesis including a bunch of other irreplaceable stuff stored on some big company's cloud, with nary a care given. [Edit: and I want to say that this cloud was Google's! I am pretty sure it was.]

Then something happened to the cloud, it had a momentary glitch and all his data was gone. All of it. And when he complained, the host pointed to their EULA and that was that. Gone. Does this remind you of another situation which we all have in common, *wriggling eyebrows like a cartoon villain*? Hmmm.  8)

Regardless of the stupidity of not having multiple backups of irreplaceable documents, the whole cloud thing requires a tremendous level of trust in corporate entities, which I completely lack. These large companies esp. are not benign organizations, none of them and I don't trust them with my stuff. Not after the rug-pulling we all endured a few years ago, for sure.

[LaughingAlex]

Firstly.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing .  Your talking lots, and lots of servers/computers sharing resources acting as one central server/network directly over the internet.  It's not just storing on someone elses server, but lots, and lots, of servers.  Is it more or less secure?  Thats up for debate, for obvious reasons, since your data is pretty much out there.  But in a way it really is just using the internet as a network medium taken to 11.  And using the internet as a network medium, it's not that new of a concept :/.

Honestly, I see the intrigue with cloud computing used for gaming, obviously, having a crap load of servers and other computers handle the graphics for example and stream the image to your machine is a nice touch.  Heck, on a smaller scale I can do that already using steam, playing one game on my laptop when in reality, my desktop actually handles the graphics load while my laptop just receives a streamed image.  But yes, security is a concern, obviously.

And it's something thats already being done.

[ivanhedgehog]

technically 'cloud' uses servers but the server is not the storage point. in cloud storage the information is bounced back and forth between servers until it settles on the internet/phone line. It takes very complicated algorithms to retrieve it because it's all jumbled on thelines according to polarity. This is also why cloud storage can never be secure because it's out in the open and cannot be password protected except in the same way some zip/rar archives can be password protected.

it's why it was so easy for hackers to get the celebrity nudes, they were out in the open on the lines but jumbled up practically asking for trouble.

I assume cloud gaming might be storing the virtual server on the cloud and using the physical server for processing. - this is a very very bad idea. 4chan will kill your characters. one day you're a 50 fully slotted with all the sets you wanted +5ed and 4chan decides to play a "target the data" game where your character's save data happens to be with-in the threshold of the start and end points on the line then someone notes it "hey I just got this file says it's a game character save file for [game]" "sweet lets F that S up /b/ro!"

suddenly you're a level 1 your name is Pingas Scribbler and all your sets are gone, and you've dropped yourself from SGs permanently and you backstory is replaced with "dude, you've been hacked by 4chan /b/ro learn to protect your game save better."

have you ever heard of the Open Systems Interconnection model (OSI)? probably not judging from your post.