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[Angel Phoenix77]

Couple of things:


1. The minute you say "That's not  how to play the game!" You are automatically wrong. There really was no one way to play or one style that suits everyone. What you are really saying is "That's not how I play." Good for you. Here's a cracker.

2. In my view, it is rude to offer unsolicited advice build or play styles. If they ask, it's fair game. But otherwise it's impolite. It's like telling someone how to raise their kid. Even if you are right they will resent the effrontery.

3. Defenders and Tanks. The two classes that everyone is an expert on and is desperate to tell you how wrong you are doing it. On a team I think people should be concentrating on what they are doing and not how everyone else plays.

Say some person plays badly. It could be they are new to the AT or having a bad day or maybe the last team they were on gave them crappy build advice that they took. Unless they get obnoxious, just don't team with them anymore. I saw a team leader ream out some schmo who, admittedly, played his tank less than optimally. He kicked him. So I quit the team, told the leader he was an ass, PM'ed the guy and we teamed for a few hours. He wasn't great, but this game doesn't require only optimal builds.

We did a bunch of missions, other people joined us and we all had a good time. Turns out out that he was trying to tend to his kid who wasn't feeling well and he was distracted. He wasn't the best tank I ever teamed with, but he was certainly more amiable than the first jack ass. I might have earned at faster pace on Team Ass but I would have had less fun.

4. We all have a vision of what we would like the game to be when and how it comes back. We have no control and little influence on any of it. But I would hope that we all do have one thing in common. We all want the game back as the first step.

I agree with your number 2, I had a friend that told me not ask that I going to go through a respec trial, did not even ask if I wanted to, he arranged a group of people we teamed with. 1 of them was a friend and asked me did I really want go through the trail I said no I was happy to play how I wanted, so we went through the trail anyway I chose the so out of spite.
That's why I never tell anyone how they should play.

[Harpospoke]

Well, technically a horse could be defined as a rocking chair, but I won't quibble, grin.

In answer to your question, the payoff for me isn't having a level 50 completed character. Once the character is done, I feel that I am also done with it. That's why I almost never pursue purples - you can't slot them until 50, and by that time, I'm finished with the character.

For me the journey is the character more and more coming into his own, as he gets more powers, more slots, completes IO sets, etc. But once they can't get much more power I want to start anew with a new mechanical idea. Sure, I could grind Hamidon, or grind Incarnate Trials, but compared to the 1-50 journey the post-50 journey is a slow crawl through broken glas - which would be worth it if the amount of power you'ld gain was cosmic, but I never felt the Incarnate powers were all that compelling to get. I did a few, and they were fun, but I didn't suddenly feel like I hit a whole new level of power. Kinda meh.

So that's why I shelve characters at 50 - because IMO they don't change much more, and it's a nice place to call closure and take a new journey. And the thing is, CoX is pretty much the only MMO in which I could level well over two dozen characters, and have each journey feel unique. CoX was massively successfully massively serial, IMO.

That's a good explanation of why you like "the journey".  You enjoy the building process more than the finished product.   I would say I prefer lvl 50 play for precisely the reason you do not like it.....lack of change.   I finally achieved my goal with a character and that's when I really started to enjoy playing it.

We both get the play style we want in the same game even though we approach it from completely opposite directions.  That's a good game there.

Until it was made abundantly clear that this wasn't the intention at all.  Hence, you're complaining for the sake of complaining.

So...do we stop this conversation or not?   I guess not.

I did see several people claiming there was a different intent than was expressed in the first post in this conversation.   This is what was actually said just so there are no misunderstandings:

I'm hoping CoH comes back...and a part of me wants it back as a blank slate.. no account info etc. I look forward to logging in on day one and seeing a bunch of low level characters. Would love to have huge groups of people in The Hollows and Kings Row.

So I'm complaining that someone expressed a hope that we all lose our characters (that does include me) for a personal desire to have more people in the low levels.   I cannot imagine a more selfish thing to hope for.

When you're in a crowd and everyone gets hit by a Fireball, that's not you being singled out, even if you only complain about the fire damage that you are personally taking. That's why you're not being singled out.

So the person who threw the fireball is not an issue in this scenario?  I'm probably going to be pretty upset at the person who threw the fireball.  Them singling me out or not doesn't change the intent. I'm not understand how harming or wishing harm on a large group is not a bad thing.    Don't make me play the Hitler card!   ;D

Here's a helpful discussion you might want to take part in. This is exactly where people can voice their opinion of what they'd like to see if they get no user data (and even voice that they'd much prefer to get their user data!)...

http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,10024.0.html

Seems an odd thread to talk about hoping we get our characters back given the title.

I'm curious...why did you not direct those who have expressed a wish that we do not get our characters back to that thread?   Why just me?

I continue to wonder how it's ok to wish for other players to lose their characters.   ...But wishing we all get our characters back is "selfish" or "greedy".      This logic is baffling.   

[Myrmydon]

IMO tanking is not just running in and taking aggro.. anyone can do that.. And its not just running your taunt aura..

Tanking IMO is about the ability to keep and control the aggro as well as pull aggro OFF your less sturdy teamates..

Exactly right.

[MWRuger]

I'm curious...why did you not direct those who have expressed a wish that we do not get our characters back to that thread?   Why just me?

Because we are all against you.

In fact, talk of getting them game back is really just an elaborate nemesis plot to vex you. We are all taking a super-secret double-happy funtime vote on whether we want characters back and your opposition is foiling us. Curses!

[Myrmydon]

i did it not because it was a particularly useful heal (it usually wasn't) but because it allowed me to truthfully say that i had a healing arrow power.
Then again i mostly played Defenders and Controllers and if someone started whining that the team needed a healer i would offer to switch to my DM/Regen Scrapper. "i heal enormous amounts of damage, probably more than any other character i have."

I never had any complaints with any of your Defenders or Controllers myself, Necross.

[Davy]

I was under the impression we weren't getting character data back as it can't be linked to our accounts, anyway.

Did I miss the situation changing? Or have people been arguing just because they can?

[Serpine]

So...do we stop this conversation or not? I guess not.

You could always elect to be the better person.

This is what was actually said just so there are no misunderstandings:

Have you ever considered that they said "a part" of them wanted it. Normally when I hear somebody say "a part of me" it is followed by a knee jerk sort of impulse, not the overall feeling or something even acted on. "A part of me wishes I stood up to that bully, even though he would have put me in traction" "A part of me wishes I had kept the money in the wallet I found" "A part of me wishes I hadn't been honest with the friend who reacted by not speaking to me anymore"

Why just me?

Offhand I'd say its the number of posts you've made on the topic and their relative tone. And Samuraiko in any case mentioned two other people in her post asking for the topic to be cooled, so its not just about you.

[FloatingFatMan]

I'm curious...why did you not direct those who have expressed a wish that we do not get our characters back to that thread?   Why just me?

Maybe because you're the only one who's taken it personally, and the only one who's still carping on about it?

If you carry on, that dead horse isn't even going to be any use to the glue factory.

And Samuraiko in any case mentioned two other people in her post asking for the topic to be cooled, so its not just about you.

And now I'm gonna get yelled at! :p

[FloatingFatMan]

I was under the impression we weren't getting character data back as it can't be linked to our accounts, anyway.

Did I miss the situation changing? Or have people been arguing just because they can?

Nothing is confirmed either way.

[Mistress Urd]

If a team kicks an empathy defender for attacking, then they were probably not people one wants to play with anyways.  My experience those were the ones who'd walk around in perma debt, cowered in fear at everything but malta operatives, complained all the time about other things, and generally believed empathy was the only powerset in the game :(.

Edited since I wasn't harsh enough on such a group.  Those jerks, raar.

Even more amusing, the leader of that team was another emp.

[Twi]

If everyone is playing the game wrong, you should invite me. I'd like to be playing the game wrong right now.

[Mistress Urd]

If everyone is playing the game wrong, you should invite me. I'd like to be playing the game wrong right now.

We certainly are a rather stubborn group.

[Fanta]

I was under the impression we weren't getting character data back as it can't be linked to our accounts, anyway.

Did I miss the situation changing? Or have people been arguing just because they can?

The option of no character data is easy, and maybe desirable for those that weren't as loyal to the game as many of us were, but if the new team is seeking support from long time, and loyal subs(money), it's in their interest to make every effort to win them over. This game is old. You will not get many new subs even under I24. Being realistic, if they can't gain the backing of the former base they're screwed. People argue that the hybrid model was more successful, but that's in large part because the existing base dumped money into it! I'd like to see data on how many existing and former subs were making those transactions vs new accounts.

There is no game without the base! No game. Get it, got it, good.

[AlienOne]

I'm curious...why did you not direct those who have expressed a wish that we do not get our characters back to that thread?

Because:

1. That is where people have been stating exactly what you've been stating
2. Having participated in the discussion myself, I thought I would be helpful
3. They have already participated, if I'm not mistaken
4. You're new to the party (relatively speaking in terms of how many pages are in this thread already) and need to add your two cents
5. You're beating a dead horse at this point, since you've stated the exact same thing multiple times in this very thread.

I have a few "less nice" reasons as well, but I think those above are sufficient. :)

[Netzahualcoyotl]

So...  Here I go...

I usually just lurk and read posts.  On any forum.  Occasionally I will get involved with a funny thread here and there.  But it is not often.  I try to keep my posts lighthearted, as I do not want to rub anyone the wrong way, ruffle feathers, etc.

As for this thread....

I am cautiously optimistic that the deal will go through.  If I have to re-create every character, so be it.  If they come back pretty close to what they were, then so be it.

I just want to play CoX again.  I have refused to remove anything dealing with CoX from my system.  The folder is still there.  I do not play any other NCSoft games.  A little of it is by choice, as some of their games do not appeal to me.  Others because I cannot afford to get them.  Such is life.

I was pretty sore at NCSoft at first, but I have moved on.  I get that it was a business decision.  I will play what ever they re-release if/when the deal goes through.  I wrote one letter to NCSoft when there were the campaigns going on before the shutdown.  Just one.  It was not threatening, it was not spiteful, just a simple explanation of what the community means to me.

I hope this deal goes through.  I would love to see our characters still there, but if not, I have 3 I will create right away.

..... and a second to this! NCSoft would even muster a heart-felt "thank-you" from this old Navy vet....

(...biding my time on my tied-with-CoX-for-first-place-MMO SWGemu currently...)

[Bitters]

Maybe because you're the only one who's taken it personally, and the only one who's still carping on about it?

If you carry on, that dead horse isn't even going to be any use to the glue factory.

And now I'm gonna get yelled at! :p

The horse is not only dead and buried, it's been fossilized and dug up again by a paleontologist.

[hejtmane]

Couple of things:


1. The minute you say "That's not  how to play the game!" You are automatically wrong. There really was no one way to play or one style that suits everyone. What you are really saying is "That's not how I play." Good for you. Here's a cracker.

2. In my view, it is rude to offer unsolicited advice build or play styles. If they ask, it's fair game. But otherwise it's impolite. It's like telling someone how to raise their kid. Even if you are right they will resent the effrontery.

3. Defenders and Tanks. The two classes that everyone is an expert on and is desperate to tell you how wrong you are doing it. On a team I think people should be concentrating on what they are doing and not how everyone else plays.

Say some person plays badly. It could be they are new to the AT or having a bad day or maybe the last team they were on gave them crappy build advice that they took. Unless they get obnoxious, just don't team with them anymore. I saw a team leader ream out some schmo who, admittedly, played his tank less than optimally. He kicked him. So I quit the team, told the leader he was an ass, PM'ed the guy and we teamed for a few hours. He wasn't great, but this game doesn't require only optimal builds.

We did a bunch of missions, other people joined us and we all had a good time. Turns out out that he was trying to tend to his kid who wasn't feeling well and he was distracted. He wasn't the best tank I ever teamed with, but he was certainly more amiable than the first jack ass. I might have earned at faster pace on Team Ass but I would have had less fun.

4. We all have a vision of what we would like the game to be when and how it comes back. We have no control and little influence on any of it. But I would hope that we all do have one thing in common. We all want the game back as the first step.

Some of the most fun I had was running in PUGS with my scrappers that could solo +4x8 content and I could do that per-incarnate  as well. People would be amazed at what you could do in game. Trust me I heard  do not have a healer; I would look and say hay we got bubbles and I like bubbles lets go; we do not have a tank I got that covered; or I say we have a kin they rock.

Sometimes the best way of teaching is just to lead in a friendly way by being positive that we can do this attitude. Then someone ask about build advice I give it to them if I knew the class some I referred to the boards on people smarter than I was.

[HEATSTROKE]

I care a lot about my character data.. but after the latest news...

After the latest bit of information from Ironwolf...

Getting the game and then getting it up and running is the NUMBER ONE priority. I cant do anything without that. Even if I had to rebuild everything from scratch.. I CANT.. not without the game. I have my Mids builds.. I have quite a few costume files saved. I am going to try and run Senticon on my old system with the Issue 23 client on it instead of 24 to see if I can get a few more.. I can rebuild if I need to.. Id rather not.. 100%.. but until the game comes back.. I cant do a thing...

And in all honesty Ive stopped caring about how other people perceive how I play the game.. or the right way to play.. I didnt care about that before.. and I dont care now... I care about one thing..

GET THE GAME...

[HEATSTROKE]

I was under the impression we weren't getting character data back as it can't be linked to our accounts, anyway.

Did I miss the situation changing? Or have people been arguing just because they can?

We really dont have an idea of how character data is stored.. Apparently Character data and Account data might be two separate things.. And we dont have any idea if either is recoverable.. what we assume is that Account data ( what you purchased.. credit card info ) will probably not be available due to legal issue.. Character data is up in the air.. Is it attached to the account? Is it attached to the Login info or globals.. we simply dont know..

[Scendera]

So I stopped trying to heal, and used my 100% KD power to chain KD Snappy while everybody else killed him (and people I couldn't keep up because of LoS issues ran back from the hospital).  Snaptooth couldn't hurt anybody when he couldn't attack.

That was my gameplan on my psi/kin and elec/storm corruptors. Can't hit me if you're on your bum!