How much hope do you have left?

[downix]

... Er, a company liquidating assets is never a good thing. Not when their stock prices are south of heaven, it isn't.

No, but licensing their assets to other companies to manage, is.

[TimtheEnchanter]

... Er, a company liquidating assets is never a good thing. Not when their stock prices are south of heaven, it isn't.

If you save money on it, it allows you to make it look like you've had "growth."

[Senkan]

Problem with NCsoft ever relaunching or outsourcing development for COX is going to have is this.  Since the sunset was announced I would say the fan base has shrunk to about 25% of what it was during last summer.  And is getting smaller everyday.  Most people have moved on.  The money they were making is gone and won't come back.

Regarding The project Z's...they are going to have to pull people away from other games that...by the look of things...they will have played for over 2 years.  You think they are going to leave there current game to play these games?  I see this like when Champions Online came along.  Unless the game is better than the one they are playing they aren't going to want to spend their time and money on it.

[ukaserex]

You have a point - but I think most gamers play more than one game. And believe me - CoH was something special. And, if the fellows behind the other couple of games being developed can capture some of the better aspects of the game, word will spread and they'll do fine. Personally, I hope they (Missing World Media, Heroes and villains) all get rich off of us.

[JaguarX]

You have a point - but I think most gamers play more than one game. And believe me - CoH was something special. And, if the fellows behind the other couple of games being developed can capture some of the better aspects of the game, word will spread and they'll do fine. Personally, I hope they (Missing World Media, Heroes and villains) all get rich off of us.

I agree. But hope they dont follow in t NCsoft folly of expecting the word of mouth the only way to get the word out. remember people hardly even talk face to face anymore and if it's not about a "cute cat", what Kardashian or Snooki is doing, or what someone is eating at the moment or a fight video, it dont come up in general social media chat either. They also going to have to try and get the word out themselves or else it might be another great game that no one knows about.

[Senkan]

I think the project Z's should take their time and make a kick ass product.  Something that will last.  Something that mirrors COX but is also unique.   

The chances of the original COX being available in some form in the future is pretty good.  But it won't have the same feel or completeness.  I think it will become something like my old Vampire the Masquerade:  Bloodlines game.  I'll break it out every year and play a different clan and relive good times and put it away to play something else. 

[downix]

Problem with NCsoft ever relaunching or outsourcing development for COX is going to have is this.  Since the sunset was announced I would say the fan base has shrunk to about 25% of what it was during last summer.  And is getting smaller everyday.  Most people have moved on.  The money they were making is gone and won't come back.

Regarding The project Z's...they are going to have to pull people away from other games that...by the look of things...they will have played for over 2 years.  You think they are going to leave there current game to play these games?  I see this like when Champions Online came along.  Unless the game is better than the one they are playing they aren't going to want to spend their time and money on it.

And if I said that we kept this very thing in mind?

[Senkan]

I never had a doubt that you guys didn't have that in mind.  Keep up the good work.  Im following on Facebook...

[Twisted Toon]

You have a point - but I think most gamers play more than one game. And believe me - CoH was something special. And, if the fellows behind the other couple of games being developed can capture some of the better aspects of the game, word will spread and they'll do fine. Personally, I hope they (Missing World Media, Heroes and villains) all get rich off of us.

I play 4 different MMOs and a few offline games as well. Granted, some of those games see more play time than others.

[FatherXmas]

... Er, a company liquidating assets is never a good thing. Not when their stock prices are south of heaven, it isn't.

And again, their stock price isn't bad.  If anything it is still a little high.  In 5 years it went from 42,250 to 157,000 KrW.  That's a 30% annual growth rate.  To compare the NASDAQ had a 6.6% annual growth rate while Apple had a 23.7% annual growth rate over the same period.

But much like the housing bubble and Apple stock prices the market went a little crazy and then suddenly the party was over and nobody wanted to stay around to help clean up.  Sure it sucked if you hopped on the party train near the end, if you believed the analysts predicting 600,000 as a target price.

[nataliaofvirtues]

I absolutely agree. With just 2 or 3 of the original Devs, I believe the hope/faith would be quick to return.

[MindBlender]

I have doubts that CoX as we knew it will never see the light of day (well, maybe as an emulator)...  I do have complete faith in the 2 projects being worked on by GG and the Z Team.  The depth they are trying to reach into what WE want is fantastic!  This will be a game for the fans/by the fans.

That is not to say that the chance of CoX coming back as we knew it is zilch.  TF Hail Mary has just as much talent in what they do as GG and Team Z, so I hope they keep plugging along.  I appreciate all these folks are doing.  Once CoX fans, both current and those that have "moved on" hear that we have our game or a successor.  I think you will find that player base coming back.

We ARE Heroes and this is what we do...We just want to HERO our way!  8)

[LadyVamp]

... Er, a company liquidating assets is never a good thing. Not when their stock prices are south of heaven, it isn't.

It's a trick of the trade.  They might choose to do that because they want to offset a loss in operating income.  By selling off such assets they can make it look like they made money which technically they did but aren't doing it from their core business.  It looks nice on paper and to average person looks like they made money.  But, a value investor would remove such income when evaluating the purchase of a company's stock.

[TonyV]

Regarding The project Z's...they are going to have to pull people away from other games that...by the look of things...they will have played for over 2 years.

The Plan Zs have a significant advantage over more mainstream games on the market now and being developed: the community supporting them.  I'm not being facetious here.  Think about it--what made City of Heroes so special?  It wasn't the technical merit of the game.  Sure, it was neat, but there were other games that were far more sophisticated and pretty than City of Heroes.  The gameplay was a lot of it, but the elements of gameplay that made it fun can be mimicked--in fact, that's a specific goal of both of the main Plan Z projects.  The thing that really set City of Heroes apart was, and still remains, its community.

That community is allowing these projects to be worked on without a multi-million dollar budget.  It's also what's going to allow an unprecedented level of communication between the games' players and their developers--in many cases, the two groups will be the same people.  Also, arguably most importantly, the communities of the Plan Z projects will be born from the ashes of a game that was deliberately killed.  With that experience, I can guarantee you that the developers will have a significantly different outlook on trying to keep locked down, persistently online, and subject to wanton destruction at any given moment.  I really, honestly believe that these games won't just be nifty in their own right, but have the real possibility of becoming the next evolution of what was once the classic MMORPG genre, supplanting a lot of games working hard to make money off of F2P business models.

I guess time will tell, but I'm still really stoked about the possibilities, and you should be, too.

[Illusionss]

....Or you will have people like me, who will have been playing not much of anything at all for those two years, because I dont like anything out there now enough to get seriously invested. And I know I'm not the only one.

[Triplash]

....Or you will have people like me, who will have been playing not much of anything at all for those two years, because I dont like anything out there now enough to get seriously invested. And I know I'm not the only one.

I can guarantee you're not the only one who feels that way, because I do too.

When one or both of the Plan Z projects is ready to play, they won't be pulling me away from another game. I'll be good to go, with a couple years of twiddling my thumbs making me hungry to get back into something I can care about.

[dwturducken]

I'm of two minds on playing other games. With so many F2P options, I have no trouble finding stuff to do. Now, nothing out there is inspiring me to shell out money, so I'm kind of with Illusionss. There won't be anything for the Plan Z projects to pull me away from. :)

[Menrva Channel]

I must say, after seeing CraZboy's sites (CoH: http://www.cityofheroes.ca and Going Rogue: http://www.cityofheroes.ca/going_rogue/), I have more hope than I did. I know it isn't the game--yet--but especially with our ICON--I feel that the reality of it coming back will happen. We just have to be patient. It really was like getting back a little bit of our world--and /so much/ better than the "send off" it was given at the home site.

[Archlight]

I have been away for awhile so I came back to see where things were at.
/E hopeful

[Tanklet]

I'll be honest .... I have next to none. Plain and simple...

That said, doesn't mean I'll stop trying.