New efforts!

[Ryo Kinsaru]

I don't want to mess up the party, specifically since I completely lack the I.Q. or education to know what the heck you're talking about, so is there another forum that deals more directly/specifically with any progress or the lack thereof?

[Codewalker]

I don't want to mess up the party, specifically since I completely lack the I.Q. or education to know what the heck you're talking about, so is there another forum that deals more directly/specifically with any progress or the lack thereof?

Nope, this is the place people come to complain about lack of visible progress, ask for updates, complain about the thread derails, engage in wild and unfounded speculation about the reason for lack of visible progress, and be told that if there are any updates they'll be in the first post and/or all over the place. People chatting about random stuff is a good sign there are no updates. That will then devolve into a meta-discussion about where to find updates and eventually result in the thread going off topic again amid multiple posts of "I can't handle the wait!!!" or "Why are they doing this to us?!!!"

Back on topic...

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[ivanhedgehog]

Nope, this is the place people come to complain about lack of visible progress, ask for updates, complain about the thread derails, engage in wild and unfounded speculation about the reason for lack of visible progress, and be told that if there are any updates they'll be in the first post and/or all over the place. People chatting about random stuff is a good sign there are no updates. That will then devolve into a meta-discussion about where to find updates and eventually result in the thread going off topic again amid multiple posts of "I can't handle the wait!!!" or "Why are they doing this to us?!!!"

Back on topic...

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I see you got summa dat book larninin. Me an Ma will wait for yall to come round an esplain stuff for us.

[Arcana]

I don't want to mess up the party, specifically since I completely lack the I.Q. or education to know what the heck you're talking about, so is there another forum that deals more directly/specifically with any progress or the lack thereof?

Just to amplify, because there isn't any word coming from knowledgeable parties, and haven't been for a very long time, and its unlikely you will ever get any "progress report" that isn't "we're done" because people negotiating sensitive issues never discuss them openly in any way if they have any brains, and because all parties are probably covered by legal nondisclosure agreements which prohibit them from talking about anything even if they were crazy enough to do so, and because the forum mods know all of this, they have loosened the on-topic restrictions for this thread for the simple reason that either they allow people to vent about not knowing anything and ramble about tangent topics, or they would have to close the topic and have nowhere for people to go. 

In effect, as Codewalker implies, this thread is a beacon that says "no news yet."  In fact I am absolutely positive that if any news does arrive, it will arrive in its own new thread, and this thread would then have about a thousand posts in a row talking about that thread.  You couldn't miss it if you tried.

[MM3squints]

I don't want to mess up the party, specifically since I completely lack the I.Q. or education to know what the heck you're talking about, so is there another forum that deals more directly/specifically with any progress or the lack thereof?

Here is a flowchart on the progress

Progression of the Thread
                   V
Is there Actual Progress? ---No----------->Talk About Random Gibberish
                   |                                                     ^
                 Yes                                                   |
                   V                                                     |
Is it From one of the Key Users? --No------------
                   |                                                     ^
                 Yes                                                   |
                   V                                                    |
Is there any concrete Information?--No----------
                   |                                                     ^
                 Yes                                                   |
                   V                                                     |
Are there Dates?------No-----------------------------
                   |                                                      ^
                 Yes                                                    |
                   V                                                     |
Are we on the Date Planned of the Launch?-No-
                   |                                                      ^
                 Yes                                                    |
                   V                                                     |
Are You actually playing the Game?-------No------
                   |
                 Yes
                   V
Enjoy the Game

[Codewalker]

For those wanting a low-noise source of updates on the topic, here you go:

http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,10649.0.html

Everyone else may proceed with assumptions, unverifiable speculation, and inane off-topic discussions. :)

[JanessaVR]

For those wanting a low-noise source of updates on the topic, here you go:

http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,10649.0.html

Everyone else may proceed with assumptions, unverifiable speculation, and inane off-topic discussions. :)

Greatly appreciated.  All setup for notifications now.

[Arcana]

For those wanting a low-noise source of updates on the topic, here you go:

http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,10649.0.html

Everyone else may proceed with assumptions, unverifiable speculation, and inane off-topic discussions. :)

Now this thread can officially become the "New efforts! (to keep a thread alive by any means necessary while we wait for a locked thread to update we can't post to)" thread.

[Twisted Toon]

Chuggachuggachuggachugga...WHOOOOOWOOOOOOOO....chuggachuggachugga

"Saucer leaving on Track 5 for Anaheim, Azouza, and Kukamonga...."

Steampunk Spaceships. Awesome! I want one!!!

[SemanticAntics]

Back on topic...

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[insert "I'm not saying it's aliens..." meme here]

[Fantastic categorical list of types of evidence]

The more of any of these things that confirm that an event occurred or that a person said or did a thing the more weight historians give it. Our understanding of recent events is obviously more well documented, but even events in the last century are hotly debated.

Deduction, speculation and lack of evidence is not evidence. Deduction may be used to explain what we think the evidence means, but it is not in itself evidence of anything except our thoughts.

Excellent response. I think the whole claim of "you may have all this evidence, but you have no proof!" is ridiculous, but I can never get those people to nail down what constitutes "proof" in their view.

Two words:

Improbability Drive.

Anyone have a strong cup of tea?

No, build a Bistromathic Drive. Much safer! Avoid all the dangerous mucking about with Improbability Factors, and have some coffee at the same time.

[Whatelse73]

Maybe its just me, I didn't see anyone mention it yet. (At least in English, there might've been something in another language before)

Who would be the test pilot willing to be in the craft that attempts light speed and would the test pilot survive?

Would we be able to create an "intertial dampener" for the crew to survive the voyage?  While gravity and anti-gravity could be used to perpetuate motion, there would need to be something to create survivability of not only the crew, but also the machine itself.  The current "space shuttle" that was retired recently is basically about as "thick" as paper and wouldn't stop a micro-meteor from flying thru it. (Especially at the speeds needed to travel)

You could also do the "how do we steer to avoid that planet?" problem as well since even a fist-sized asteroid would destroy a craft at a "super speed" we need to travel.  Some sort of "deflector" might work, but would it respond fast enough to move any objects before the craft smashed into them?  Or, how would it maintain the strength to stay active for the entirety of the voyage to prevent the craft getting hit?

By the way, while we talk about the total lack of ability to travel outside our own solar system, thanks for making that other forum to provide notifications for us about any new news.

[Codewalker]

No, build a Bistromathic Drive. Much safer! Avoid all the dangerous mucking about with Improbability Factors, and have some coffee at the same time.

Given the number of suggestions in this very thread that aliens may be linked with cats, and the frequent depiction of flying saucers as completely ignoring gravity, I think it's a good bet that they have mastered Cat-Butter/Toast Gravity Nullification Drive technology.

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[Arcana]

Maybe its just me, I didn't see anyone mention it yet. (At least in English, there might've been something in another language before)

Who would be the test pilot willing to be in the craft that attempts light speed and would the test pilot survive?

You want it to be able to stop *and* not kill the crew?  Fine.

In a conventional drive, we have to worry a bit about acceleration, but acceleration can also be your friend.  Simply make sure you accelerate forward at about 1g (the average acceleration you feel on the surface of the Earth) and the occupants will have a nice normal gravity-like environment.  They won't have to deal with the stresses of a zero-g weightless environment which are potentially hazardous to long-term health.  At the half-way point, you turn the ship around and decelerate at the same rate, which would continue to provide a 1g gravity environment.

In more speculative systems like the Alcubierre warp system, a bubble of flat geometry space would be created inside of the warped space and by manifold-thingamajiggery propelled along with the Alcubierre warp.  As a result, no matter how much acceleration the bubble itself experienced, the occupants inside the space craft will experience no acceleration or minimal acceleration.

You could also do the "how do we steer to avoid that planet?" problem as well since even a fist-sized asteroid would destroy a craft at a "super speed" we need to travel.  Some sort of "deflector" might work, but would it respond fast enough to move any objects before the craft smashed into them?  Or, how would it maintain the strength to stay active for the entirety of the voyage to prevent the craft getting hit?

Steering also?  I'm sorry, we have to draw the line somewhere.  No steering, period.  As a previous poster noted, one variation on Alcubierre warp models warps the outside bubble so strongly it essentially collapses into an extremely tiny point - basically planck scale.  At that size, the ship would simply pass through any object it encountered without hitting anything.  Even though from the perspective of an outside observer the warp bubble would be infinitesimally small, from the inside the bubble could be as large as desired and still fit normal sized space ships with normal sized crew.  As previously remarked, the Alcubierre warp ship would basically be a Tardis.

[Joshex]

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I'm sorry you missed that lesson in middle school where they teach you that an electro-magnet uses Electricity to generate Magnetism. though it shares a similar name to the force we call electromagnetism it is in entirety unrelated.

Electromagnetism is considered a force-bond of electricity and magnetism which has niether electricity nor magnetism's properties or effects, it is a weakforce because of the force conflict with-in itself limiting it's output energy, however we do know it's strength fluctuates, at some points it has been observed as stronger than the strongest 'strong force' version of magnetism.

However it's improper to consider it a "confused force" because electromagnetism is very sure of what it is. electromagnetism can bend light, carries a charge, and can even directly touch physical matter. it's color is inherently Blue but invisible without direct light from outside equal to the strength needed to get through the psuedo-force-field barrier it becomes. it repels magnetism and electricity in any of their polarities. It has more than 2 polarities, it can make lightning that appears to strike the sky, and make pulses of what looks like lightning bounce all over from building to building to the floor and back up again and is not inhibited by transparent objects. In the days before newton it was called and I quote "The Superforce".

1.  Equations have meaning:

Sigh. K0 * F0 *C0 = X0 * Y0 * Z0 Thus KFC = XYZ

KFC is the center of the universe didn't anyone teach you that?

Equations have a meaning, a meaning that is only as good as the understanding of the person that wrote them. Math can lie if a person who doesn't fully understand a situation writes an Equation to solve it.

Take inertia for one, yes the equation computes, but what if there's actually another variable that wasn't included?

1+2+3 = 6, 1+2+3+4 = 10 both are correct and compute and yet one has another entry than the other the same is true for extra entries if someone adds too few or too many variables to the equation the outcome is still a solvable equation, the downside is misinformation to the reader.

Example; 2 people are told to take inventory of the universe, person one is tricked by a sock that was placed in 2 different inventory piles while he wasn't looking, where person 2 never saw the sock at all as it was removed from the piles before they began taking inventory. Both person 1 and 2 have lists and equations that compute to inventory what they believe is the universe, but in fact they are both wrong albeit by the tally of a single sock.

Also please do look it up, Electrons carry a charge, protons are actually a big unknown to scientists, scientists cannot detect any energy or field emitting from them, they are like atomic ghosts. all we know is they are there and they move in an opposite pattern to electrons and have a mass that is greater than an electron. but they are a mass without energy. Otherwise we'd be harnessing them the same as electrons, scratch that we'd be harnessing them instead of electrons due to size.

when was the last time you got a bill from a Protic company? oh that's right it's the Electric company. "you can't touch it, it's electric!"

no wait wasn't there that device that split the electrons in hydrogen from the protons to create energy to drive cars? oh that's right that was the hydrogen fuel cell and it used the electrons and discarded the protons cause they are nigh useless.

[Vee]

Anyone have a strong cup of tea?

No, but we can make you something which invariably comes out tasting not quite entirely unlike tea.

[Whatelse73]

No, but we can make you something which invariably comes out tasting not quite entirely unlike tea.

Interesting thing there in the movie.  The "machine" makes a horrid glass of tea for him, yet Trillian sticks her head into the machine and it makes her exactly what she is craving...lol

[Mistress Urd]

For those wanting a low-noise source of updates on the topic, here you go:

http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,10649.0.html

Everyone else may proceed with assumptions, unverifiable speculation, and inane off-topic discussions. :)

Thank you, it should have the desired effect.

[Joshex]

Interesting thing there in the movie.  The "machine" makes a horrid glass of tea for him, yet Trillian sticks her head into the machine and it makes her exactly what she is craving...lol

just like the machine in The Tick, the tick places it on his head and orders a BLT, but oh the horror!! It had no mayo!!!

[pinballdave]

Wormholes? Portals? Stargates?

And another question, what effect will dark matter have on sub-light speed travel?

[Arcana]

no wait wasn't there that device that split the electrons in hydrogen from the protons to create energy to drive cars? oh that's right that was the hydrogen fuel cell and it used the electrons and discarded the protons cause they are nigh useless.

I'm still not absolutely sure if you are kidding or crazy, but I'm pretty sure no one else is uncertain.