New efforts!

[Harpospoke]

I recall a speed ITF - we wanted to see how fast we could do it.

First mission we blow through ignoring anything but the required stuff and a few people die - saying why are you all hopping forward? Then the Seer rescue we do it and as soon as she finishes we all exit - except for the same ones complaining about hopping forward and they die.

Next mission and we specifically said in tells if you can't solo a Nictus Crystal stay at the door. Then off we all went breaking into solo crystal attackers and the screaming ensued when the same few people with no clue died to the ambushes because they tried to follow along. They were not happy when we explained again - this is a speed run - that means we are going FAST.

Next we jump to the back pull both AV's and the Computer at once, jump forward and herd all the valley of lag top down. More deaths from the same folks who are lost and wandering out of the huge cloud of buffs and debuffs.

Finally the end when we pull the entire platform and the AV with fluffies and see the same folks dying. Once more we complete it in some silly time like 11 minutes and as we exit - the same people die, because they stayed in fighting.

Then the tantrums started and the other 6 players said - do you know what a SPEED ITF is? It means we go FAST. Stay with the group or at the door and have fun - it is no place for a nervous person.

That sounds familiar.   Chaotic fun...but there was that one person who never quite got the point.   ;D

[Harpospoke]

Its not quite that simple for the same reason most of us don't spend our days picking up empty bottles by the road to redeem their deposit value - profit is profit, but odds are you have *more* profitable options elsewhere that you can dedicate your time and skill towards.  As much as I personally dislike the decision its hard to completely fault NCSoft for electing to stop bottle-picking and aim for bigger payoffs. 

Might not be exactly the same thing.

When a single person opts to do something more productive than bottle-picking, that is not quite like a company who was making money with a group of people they subsequently fired.   NCSoft did not have personnel tied up in bottle-picking that they wanted to use somewhere else with more productive endeavors.

[SammiK31]

The very first post in the thread should stay updated with the latest info.  There just isn't any recent info to share, the negotiations are presumably ongoing. 

At the minimum keep an eye on that first post but if you're a CoHer reading through the last 3-5 pages of the thread isn't too much hassle now and then, it might even be entertaining for you!

Ah thank you, I just hope I can understand it, cause no matter how much you simplify it, I find I still can't full understand. Lol

[robo40]

Has there been any discussion as to whether I24 data might be available?

[JennSpace]

exactly what I was going to reply though a lot more shortened and less explained like this: "layoffs means NCSoft has taken losses and will be desperate for money, getting CoH back and running could prove to be a main focus for them now."

I couldn't have said it better! ;D I found an article on NCSoft and while there not on the brink of extinction, things are not going very well for them...

''Kim Taek-jin, founder and head of the game company NCsoft, is fifth on the list with 288.8 billion won. Last year his stocks were worth more than 400 billion won, but after his company's stocks fell, the face value of his stocks plunged nearly 30 percent.''

http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/Article.aspx?aid=2995667

[blacksly]

Has there been any discussion as to whether I24 data might be available?

I24 data is available. As in data.
The game will, however, be set up as an I23 server.

Whether the holding company that will be running it as a no-update zombie game will be interested in looking at making some updates towards I24 data is unknown, and it will not be known until a good while after the sale is complete... the company needs to look at what they've received, what tools are included, and how easy it would be to update data.

Some points:
- it should be easy to update the databases of powers to change current power. So, for example, changing the Blaster powers that were supposed to use the new Sustain concepts should be easy, since it's just changing the power effects for some existing powers. No new powers, no new graphics.
- it seems harder to add new powers to the database of powers, since some of the power index numbers may be hard-coded into the executable code. It may be possible to make some of the updates such as the Snipe powers getting insta-Snipe, as long as the holding company is willing to cannibalize existing powers (maybe some of the temporary event powers) in order to convert those powers to the instant versions of the Snipes. That way the overall number of powers in the database is not changed. If this is done, it may not be possible to copy the exact instant-snipe mechanism (+22% To Hit), but we had a bit of a discussion about it in another thread, and it looks like there are ways to come somewhat close to the intent of the mechanism.
- it may not be possible to add new IO sets. Perhaps old ones could be updated instead.
- anything that requires new graphics or unfinished graphics such as Wind Control is right out.
- anything that requires adding new powers or powersets, even if they have graphics for them (Martial Assault), is almost certainly out.

[Taceus Jiwede]

Ah thank you, I just hope I can understand it, cause no matter how much you simplify it, I find I still can't full understand. Lol

Many things are still up in the air too and so there isn't too much to understand at this moment.  So far all that is really understood is that Nate is trying to obtain CoH from NCSoft.  Then there are a few more things that were on the table that are mostly understood, but are subject to change and because of that aren't detailed out.  So in other words, don't feel bad if you don't understand fully because I don't think it is at the point of being able to understand fully.  At best there is accurate theories for the initial bargaining points in the original post.  Which could have already changed.

EDIT:  Some people fully understand I should say, those involved or in the know do.

[Mental Minister]

Reguarding Speed ITF... I have never fully understood why anyone would want to run a speed ITF or a speed anything for that matter. I did ITF post lvl 50 for two reason 1. shards 2. possible purple drop plus the influ was nice. As rare as purple drops were defeating large groups of NPC helped in the possiblity of getting one "even if it wasnt me that got the drop". So its kinda like, how should I put this? Going out and buying ten lottery tickets and throwing away nine of them you still have a small possiblity of win but odds are better if you keep all ten. Now on to pre lvl 50 XP XP XP. Yea that about sums it up. With that all said if you just want to see how fast you can do it well thats different. thats just my stinky opinion and I would love to do a ITF or hell even a speed ITF today if I could.

[pinballdave]

Has there been any discussion as to whether I24 data might be available?

The uneditable copy, LEGACY, the binary version is proposed to be leased by NCSoft, no I24.

The people converting CoH to a newer game engine (Irish Girl) REVIVAL, have stated that I24 will INDEED be included in that venture.

Please scold me harshly with a soft pillow if I mistated the intentions

[Angel Phoenix77]

The uneditable copy, LEGACY, the binary version is proposed to be leased by NCSoft, no I24.

The people converting CoH to a newer game engine (Irish Girl) REVIVAL, have stated that I24 will INDEED be included in that venture.

Please scold me harshly with a soft pillow if I mistated the intentions

I think you are close to the truth :) I think Irish Girl stated the I24 would have to be remade from scratch. (If I am remembering correctly).

[duane]

Reguarding Speed ITF... I have never fully understood why anyone would want to run a speed ITF or a speed anything for that matter. I did ITF post lvl 50 for two reason 1. shards 2. possible purple drop plus the influ was nice. As rare as purple drops were defeating large groups of NPC helped in the possiblity of getting one "even if it wasnt me that got the drop". So its kinda like, how should I put this? Going out and buying ten lottery tickets and throwing away nine of them you still have a small possiblity of win but odds are better if you keep all ten. Now on to pre lvl 50 XP XP XP. Yea that about sums it up. With that all said if you just want to see how fast you can do it well thats different. thats just my stinky opinion and I would love to do a ITF or hell even a speed ITF today if I could.

I think there were some rewards for crazy low timed ITFs or no deaths.  However, I was never a power player who could achieve those.  Good for those who can!

However... I was on one ITF.  A Pug with 7 Arachnos Soldiers and my Mastermind that barely qualified.  This was before incarnate times and it was over in 30-40 minutes -- no breaking up for solo crystals or skipping anything.  I think they even cleaned a good chunk of soldiers off the walls and the XP was fabulous.  Everything just.... melted. 

I tried to replicate a few times, but never to that degree of success.

[Battlechimp]

Reguarding Speed ITF... I have never fully understood why anyone would want to run a speed ITF or a speed anything for that matter. I did ITF post lvl 50 for two reason 1. shards 2. possible purple drop plus the influ was nice. As rare as purple drops were defeating large groups of NPC helped in the possiblity of getting one "even if it wasnt me that got the drop". So its kinda like, how should I put this? Going out and buying ten lottery tickets and throwing away nine of them you still have a small possiblity of win but odds are better if you keep all ten. Now on to pre lvl 50 XP XP XP. Yea that about sums it up. With that all said if you just want to see how fast you can do it well thats different. thats just my stinky opinion and I would love to do a ITF or hell even a speed ITF today if I could.

It all depends on what sort of reward you're looking for, for your time.  There are the couple reasons which you stated.  Then there were the merits. They might not care about the XP or Inf or even the potential of purple, but instead just the merits rewarded for finishing the TF so they can get something specific for their time.  Sure they /might/ get a purple if they kill more, but they might not. But they are guaranteed to get merits.  So they want to deal with the middle stuff as little as possible

And then there were other reasons like... I wonder how fast we can blow through this thing. Because we can.  Sometimes is not for a badge, IO, or any kind of reward other than bragging rights.  Just because you want certain things out of your gaming time, doesn't mean everyone wants those same things

[Illusionss]

NC: Moving forward, we will continue to focus on our core development capabilities and the intellectual properties (WildStar, Aion, Lineage, and Guild Wars franchises) that have made NCSOFT what it is today.

Notice just who is left off of that list. WOW. [an expression of amazement, not shorthand for World of Warcraft.]

WILDSTAR "made NCSoft what it is today"? Welllll...... maybe so. That statement could be read a couple of ways, if you think about it.

When the ink is dry on the sell deal - if we get that far - I'll have plenty to say about this. Until then, KEEP SMILIN'.  8)

Cue Debby Harry's "Backfired!":
I.

[Mistress Urd]

Reguarding Speed ITF... I have never fully understood why anyone would want to run a speed ITF or a speed anything for that matter. I did ITF post lvl 50 for two reason 1. shards 2. possible purple drop plus the influ was nice. As rare as purple drops were defeating large groups of NPC helped in the possiblity of getting one "even if it wasnt me that got the drop". So its kinda like, how should I put this? Going out and buying ten lottery tickets and throwing away nine of them you still have a small possiblity of win but odds are better if you keep all ten. Now on to pre lvl 50 XP XP XP. Yea that about sums it up. With that all said if you just want to see how fast you can do it well thats different. thats just my stinky opinion and I would love to do a ITF or hell even a speed ITF today if I could.

It gives people another goal. Some folks actually find it fun to race against and clock and see just how quick they can complete it. If you don't find it fun or like them you don't have to join. In almost all cases of a Speed ITF the person running it is upfront about it. If you don't want to be in one, you can always form your own.

[LaughingAlex]

It gives people another goal. Some folks actually find it fun to race against and clock and see just how quick they can complete it. If you don't find it fun or like them you don't have to join. In almost all cases of a Speed ITF the person running it is upfront about it. If you don't want to be in one, you can always form your own.

I have however ran into a few jerks out there who were neither the leader of the team nore did they join a speed ITF, instead they'd attempt to speed run it against the will of the rest of the team.  Often they'd either get kicked after dying a lot or leave pissed at everyone.  It only happened a couple times thankfully.

But when such things happen and the jerk succeeds on his own like that, imo everyone is left feeling griefed for it.

[Angel Phoenix77]

Notice just who is left off of that list. WOW. [an expression of amazement, not shorthand for World of Warcraft.]

WILDSTAR "made NCSoft what it is today"? Welllll...... maybe so. That statement could be read a couple of ways, if you think about it.

When the ink is dry on the sell deal - if we get that far - I'll have plenty to say about this. Until then, KEEP SMILIN'.  8)

Cue Debby Harry's "Backfired!":
I.

Just nod and say ok, that's what I do :D

[Jorge Firebomb]

Eh I'm not surprised that CoH would be left off of the list, as it is not an active IP. All it is right now is an unused asset that could potentially bring them in a relatively small amount of money if they do indeed sell it off. I don't think they're going to shut down Wildstar just yet, I think they will see how a F2P transition works out before making that decision.

I don't know how much truth there is to it, but I had always heard that CoH wasn't shut down because it wasn't profitable enough, but it was shut down because the studio behind it was unable to deliver a new game like they were contractually obligated to. I sometimes wonder if they had the chance to do it over again, if they would have shut the game down, or had some sort of other penalty for the inability of the studio to deliver on contractually obligated goals. Alas there is no time travel, so we will never know for certain.

[Surelle]

Eh I'm not surprised that CoH would be left off of the list, as it is not an active IP. All it is right now is an unused asset that could potentially bring them in a relatively small amount of money if they do indeed sell it off. I don't think they're going to shut down Wildstar just yet, I think they will see how a F2P transition works out before making that decision.

I don't know how much truth there is to it, but I had always heard that CoH wasn't shut down because it wasn't profitable enough, but it was shut down because the studio behind it was unable to deliver a new game like they were contractually obligated to. I sometimes wonder if they had the chance to do it over again, if they would have shut the game down, or had some sort of other penalty for the inability of the studio to deliver on contractually obligated goals. Alas there is no time travel, so we will never know for certain.

Haha.  And so crazy rumors fly around the rumor mill.  I'd heard CoX got shut down due to some impending new tax liability that would have been imposed upon NCSoft had it stayed open, due to changing tax laws for the end of that year.  That was the crazy rumor I heard anyway.   :P  Let's just remember that they are all nothing more than that-- just rumors.

[silvers1]

Reguarding Speed ITF... I have never fully understood why anyone would want to run a speed ITF or a speed anything for that matter. I did ITF post lvl 50 for two reason 1. shards 2. possible purple drop plus the influ was nice. As rare as purple drops were defeating large groups of NPC helped in the possiblity of getting one "even if it wasnt me that got the drop". So its kinda like, how should I put this? Going out and buying ten lottery tickets and throwing away nine of them you still have a small possiblity of win but odds are better if you keep all ten. Now on to pre lvl 50 XP XP XP. Yea that about sums it up. With that all said if you just want to see how fast you can do it well thats different. thats just my stinky opinion and I would love to do a ITF or hell even a speed ITF today if I could.

I ran speed ITFs just for the fun of it, just to see if I could get an even better time.   I realize some people ran them for the drops, but that wasn't my focus.
We ran all troller groups, all shield,  etc, etc, just to see if it could be done.   Fun as heck.

My best time was just over 7 mins, if I recall correctly.

[Fable]

Alas there is no time travel.

Or is there? I can neither confirm nor deny that I'm from the future.