New efforts!

[Remidi]

If you ever...ever remind me of that monstrosity again, I will find you...and invite you to accompany me to Warburg.

We'll do nuke-things together! I promise I won't drop out of the team and DESTROY ALL YOU HOLD DEAR! AHAHAHAHA--

*Cough*

Don't worry, you already got your revenge.  A couple of months ago, one of my daughters asked about it, not believing it could be as bad as the internet said it was.  My husband dug up a copy, and we sat down as a family to watch it.  He and I to make sure our memories weren't exaggerated, the girls to be shown the true horrors of tie-in marketing.  Only by doing our own version of MST3K could we survive the experience.  Afterwards, medicinal pizza was had by all.

[FloatingFatMan]

All you youngsters, with your prequel complaints.  I've known real suffering, I tell you.  I saw the Star Wars Holiday Special when it ran on TV!  Now that's real pain!

.. Dammit, why did you have to remind me of that.. THING!!

Now I've gotta go scrub out my brain again!

[Sinistar]

.. Dammit, why did you have to remind me of that.. THING!!

Now I've gotta go scrub out my brain again!

Only decent thing from the holiday special was Boba Fett's first appearance.

[batgirl]

Crap! Now :: Picard voice :: "There ...are ... three :: scratch record sound :: two ... two... threads! "

[Golden Girl]

He couldn't shoe-horn the wookies back in, so he decided to make a cute, furry critter that would sell loads of toys. MARKETING!

Actually, the evolution of Chewbacca's character, especially in ESB with him helping to repair the Falcon, made the Wookies no longer suitable for the more primitive forest people he wanted to take on the Empire as a continuation of the nature/humanity vs technology theme of the saga, so he cut the Wookies in half and swapped the syllables around to create the Ewoks.

[Noyjitat]

To bad we could not trust Lucas to not mess up the rest of Starwars after the first two and a half movies. yes Only part of the return of the Jedi was great it was going along fine until the stupid Ewoks and then the complete garbage that was the last three movies

I actually liked the new movies minus JarJar (although I didn't mind him in clone wars) and yeah I didn't care for the Ewoks but loved ROTJ. I have also thoroughly enjoyed all of the CGI Clone Wars (haven't watched the Tartakovsky version yet) and can't wait to watch Rebels.

I know I'm probably a minority here and I usually don't like new age movies and shows. but I'm more worried about Episode 7 and beyond with it being directed by J.J Abrams... Why you say? Well just watch the new star trek movies and look at how shitty they are compared to any of the television series or the old movies. Yep I'm probably also a minority there too...

I really hope they don't just produce an action movie for the new starwars because that's all the jj star trek movies were was a an action movie. No morales, life lessons, diplomacy, exploration, etc... It would be hard to ruin starwars but Hollywood seems to ruin more and more of today's entertainment than they ever have.

[Power Gamer]

Actually, the evolution of Chewbacca's character, especially in ESB with him helping to repair the Falcon, made the Wookies no longer suitable for the more primitive forest people he wanted to take on the Empire as a continuation of the nature/humanity vs technology theme of the saga, so he cut the Wookies in half and swapped the syllables around to create the Ewoks.

Correct.

[Zombie Hustler]

To bad we could not trust Lucas to not mess up the rest of Starwars after the first two and a half movies.

He needed Gary Kurtz to reign in his excesses, alas.

[FloatingFatMan]

He needed Gary Kurtz to reign in his excesses, alas.

Lucas can spin a yarn, but he's a crappy film maker. :p

[hejtmane]

All you youngsters, with your prequel complaints.  I've known real suffering, I tell you.  I saw the Star Wars Holiday Special when it ran on TV!  Now that's real pain!

Dam you why did you drudge that memory up

[Sinistar]

Actually, the evolution of Chewbacca's character, especially in ESB with him helping to repair the Falcon, made the Wookies no longer suitable for the more primitive forest people he wanted to take on the Empire as a continuation of the nature/humanity vs technology theme of the saga, so he cut the Wookies in half and swapped the syllables around to create the Ewoks.

Probably true.

but still in Ep 3 when Yoda said he was going to the Wookie home world I just smiled.   Then we see the Wookie army roaring as they prepare for battle and I yell out the theater "THE APOLOGY FOR THE EWOKS!"

Drew quite a few laughs with that one...

[Nyx Nought Nothing]

Lucas can spin a yarn, but he's a crappy film maker. :p

Spin a yarn, certainly. Write competent dialogue, not so much.
Actually, i would question spin a yarn to a certain extent. Lucas came up with some great ideas but he's not so good with actually scripting a story and even worse at maintaining any sort of continuity. His best work involves collaborating with others who are able to do things like refine the scripts and tell him no when he tries to do something stupid.

[Sinistar]

To bad we could not trust Lucas to not mess up the rest of Starwars after the first two and a half movies. yes Only part of the return of the Jedi was great it was going along fine until the stupid Ewoks and then the complete garbage that was the last three movies

While the prequels could have been better, I think many Star Wars fans need to remove the rose colored nostalgia glasses and re watch the classics be they original version or special editions.

One main thing about the prequels is this: everyone already knows WHAT is going to happen: big war, the empire arises and Anakin turns into Vader.  That is the WHAT of the story that fans have known for years.

It is the HOW and the WHY that Lucas had to deliver. 

Jar Jar Binks, I write him off as a CGI tech test.

With technology as it was when the classics were made, the prequels could not have been made.  Case in point: in the classics it was fine for Yoda to be a muppet and dare Luke to judge him by his size.  But for the prequels, a more mobile and battle capable Yoda was needed and a muppet would not have worked.

Also the clone army could not have been done very well if the prequels were made in the era of the classics.

Now Anakin being a bit of a whiner in the prequels......kind of like how Luke was in Ep 4, eh?
Anakin's reasons for going darkside......okay they are a bit dubious indeed but still we are talking about someone who is supposed to be the uber special Jedi who had to watch helplessly as his mother dies in his arms.  I do not blame Anakin  at all for what he did after that when he rampaged against the Tuskens.  Then he gets paranoid about losing Padme and that drives him crazy.

Padme losing the will to live and dying........STUPID.

No chemistry at all between Hayden and Natalie, all their love scenes were bad.

Also the classics gave us really no idea who the old Jedi Order operated. We had no idea that they preferred to take younglings from THEIR FAMILIES to raise them in the Jedi Temple and train them as Jedi. We had no idea that the Jedi were to live as celibate monks.

Many things were left to the imaginations of the fans for years between the classics and the prequels, expectations were impossibly high and would never be met.

Also a thing about the prequels: evil wins in all three.   At the end of Ep 1, Palpatine is now Chancellor and the Jedi lost one of their best in Qui Gon.   Ep 2: Anakin makes a major move to the darkside, Yoda indicates that the Jedi's powers are weakening and the Clone Wars begins.  Ep 3: the war ends, the Jedi are nearly wiped out and Anakin turns into Vader and we see the Death Star under construction.

[Arcana]

Actually there's a pretty good argument that the Stormtroopers didn't always miss because they had bad aim, but because Luke and Crew were MEANT to escape. The homing beacon on the Falcon led them to the rebel base, after all. So all part of a plan to find the rebels. Put on a good show and let them betray themselves. And a comment by Obi Wan early on suggests they weren't known for bad aim ( commenting on the blaster patterns on the Jawa transport being too precise for sand people. )

That doesn't explain how all of them missed the two droids crossing their line of fire that eventually escaped with the Death Star plans they were supposed to retrieve in the first place. 

I don't think they deliberately did that, because doing that deliberately leads to incredibly crazy thinking on the part of the Empire, on top of the Emperor deliberately punking Vader.

[LaughingAlex]

That doesn't explain how all of them missed the two droids crossing their line of fire that eventually escaped with the Death Star plans they were supposed to retrieve in the first place. 

I don't think they deliberately did that, because doing that deliberately leads to incredibly crazy thinking on the part of the Empire, on top of the Emperor deliberately punking Vader.

There have been alot of attempts by Lucas to kind of dispell the whole mystery feeling of star wars.  Honestly in a way I think that it was indeed plot armor at first that kept Luke and Leia alive, but over time it just became storm trooper incompetence as it was over used time and again.  Only once can I think of a moment where a storm trooper actually hits a main character and it's only a shoulder shot and just done to give Leia and Han another nice close up moment on screen.

In a way the first two star wars movies were the best for a reason imo.  Just as star trek had made the frequent mistake of either abusing Worf and making him actually seem weaker and weaker than he was intended to be. they also had to many red shirts die for no reason yet at times Kirk says the red shirt was a valuable member of the crew.  Star Wars' equivilent of an implied skilled character is the storm trooper, he never hits anything yet he's implied to be very accurate with his blaster.  His armor is also very useless failing to protect against thrown rocks when it should have had no trouble protecting from laser fire thats slightly explosive even.....

....And then I just realise with the explosions that do occur near Leia and luke in the first movie, accordin to physics, they should have been very badly burned from all those blasts that close during the broken bridge scene.

[hejtmane]

That doesn't explain how all of them missed the two droids crossing their line of fire that eventually escaped with the Death Star plans they were supposed to retrieve in the first place. 

I don't think they deliberately did that, because doing that deliberately leads to incredibly crazy thinking on the part of the Empire, on top of the Emperor deliberately punking Vader.

You ever watch Little Big Man they where invisible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8xJJ23Plrg

[Harpospoke]

Jar Jar Binks, I write him off as a CGI tech test.

It was tough to write him off as anything but "the most annoying character ever".    I mean...he was an intrusion in every scene he was in.   I'm convinced Lucas created him while watching a certain crappy cartoon from the 70s and just ported over the main character as Jar Jar.

https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s2/HarpoSpoke/PhantomMenaceshotcopy_zps16975b76.jpg

Now Anakin being a bit of a whiner in the prequels......kind of like how Luke was in Ep 4, eh?

Luke got over it really quickly though.   He was just whiny before he left his home planet.   Eventually he got really forceful and self assured.   Anakin continued to whine all the way through til Obi-Wan left him for dead.   He still sounded like he was a whiny brat as he screamed at Obi-Wan in that scene.   Much of this is because of the horrible horrible casting decision there.   Christensen is a stupendously bad actor with a voice that just can't sound anything but whiny.  Epic mis-cast.   Anakin Skywalker deserved much better.

There is no moment where Anakin ever seems as self-assured as Luke becomes.   There is no scene where you can say his acting is great ala the "Noooo!" scene in ESB or the "You failed" scene in RotJ for Hamill.   Christensen will never get animated voice work...unless it's for a very whiny character....that's all he can do.   There is no Joker in his future.

Also a thing about the prequels: evil wins in all three.   At the end of Ep 1, Palpatine is now Chancellor and the Jedi lost one of their best in Qui Gon.   Ep 2: Anakin makes a major move to the darkside, Yoda indicates that the Jedi's powers are weakening and the Clone Wars begins.  Ep 3: the war ends, the Jedi are nearly wiped out and Anakin turns into Vader and we see the Death Star under construction.

Great point.   Ep 7 and beyond might just have a great advantage there.

[Des_Tructive]

Increasing the quality of Ep1 by >9000%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLACxMXBRhM

[Sergio526]

Belated Media did a somewhat rewrite of Episodes I and II (III is supposedly coming) that seem REALLY GOOD. I think there would be no shame and no one would complain if they just scrapped the prequels and redid them with this at the head of writing and assistant directing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgICnbC2-_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAbug3AhYmw

I've watched these several times and every time I think "MAN, that would have been WAY better!"

[LaughingAlex]

Increasing the quality of Ep1 by >9000%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLACxMXBRhM

And some jokester then said that they hope they bring Jar Jar back for episode VII in the comments....I just screamed(though I know  the person was joking) .

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"