New efforts!

[Felderburg]

I would have killed for the one being planned by Eden Studios to have come to fruition. Something broke down when CoX was sold fully to NCSoft (the last thing I ever saw about it was Eden waiting for information from NCSoft, and no indication they ever got that information). The CoX / Eden connection (to my recollection) was that Jack Emmert was a friend/cowriter with Eden founder George Vasilakos (the Vahzilok are apparently a partial homage to his name and the All Flesh Must be Eaten rpg). That probably has something to do with whatever happened to end things...

I have to wonder if new owners of the IP would be able to contact Eden and find out how far along the in development manuscripts were and if they could be resurrected / finished in some form. :)

At the very least, we did get the Story Bible out of it (the 2005 version that Eden had): http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Story_Bible I'm not sure who the RPG.net use "Jim Hague" is in real life - Google is sooorta helpful, and I think "James Hague" is his real name, since a guy by that name is a programmer and has worked on RPGs... But in 2004 there's a thread where he is discussing a customer interaction with Eden, and says he doesn't work for them, and then other Google searches that indicate he was somewhere else in 2006. So there's a time gap, but nothing I could find about him working at Eden. But the Story Bible is legit, so he must have worked on the game. *shrug*

Edit: He was a freelancer! http://216.104.186.16/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16075 http://www.atomicthinktank.com/viewtopic.php?t=11587&start=2745

And it sounds like the Tabletop game was pretty well along, despite having other freelancers not do their job for Eden Studios...

I don't recall a Frostfire badge.

Neither do I, and the wiki has no badges other than regular Outcasts and Hollows badges associated with that part of the game... and if the wiki doesn't have it, it doesn't exist! :P




Regarding end game stuff - I also preferred the "journey", but I also really wanted to have a top tier character. Which meant I had to play Incarnate stuff... which I didn't like.

[Sugoi]

How about never visiting a trainer and playing the entire game with only your starting powers?

But you have to train in order to gain levels and access to certain restricted areas.

Just don't fill the slots you have to place, or use the powers you have to choose, during training.

[gypsyav]

And for a Korean company?

Don't know about Korea but there is a wide spread misconception companies in the US have to keep the data they have on you confidential. That's only true in a very small number of cases and companies make a lot of money selling the info they have on you.

I just try to correct that misconception when it comes up because you can't change a situation no one is aware of.

[downix]

ok..what is a gimp?  I played CoH for about 3 years before it went down....but still didn't learn some of the 'slang' or whatever....ok ok so I'm not that cool/nerdy...so sue me!  haha

A gimp is twisted silk, worsted, or cotton with cord or wire running through it, used chiefly as upholstery trimming. Its reference here comes from being tied up so it is difficult, but not impossible, to move. Think running with your shoelaces tied.

[gypsyav]

But you have to train in order to gain levels and access to certain restricted areas.

Just don't fill the slots you have to place, or use the powers you have to choose, during training.

Not at the end you didn't. They took off level restrictions for zones.

[MM3squints]

But you have to train in order to gain levels and access to certain restricted areas.

Just don't fill the slots you have to place, or use the powers you have to choose, during training.

I just remembered, you probably can just one slot your with their inherent power and use only that power 1-50

[Ironwolf]

At this point nothing has changed and due to the nature of the deal - it will take a while to finish. NCSoft does not at this point - appear to have the original source code. Other data like that for users is a maybe. What it appears they have - at this point - is a disk image of the final issue 24. NCSoft also does not appear to have any documentation or development tools - at this point.

None of these issues is a deal killer and in fact helps reduce the price as work will have to be done to be able to get the game running again.

Folks like Codewalker, Downix or Arcana may be able to explain what would be needed to reverse engineer this into a working game. I know Downix said he was thinking it might take 6-12 months to get this going - at this point.

I keep saying - at this point because it could change, NCSoft may find more or another source may have something they were sitting on. The team has said in messages that this could be an ongoing things where NCSoft finds more stuff as time passes. Obviously all of these things affect the price and conditions of sale. If suddenly NCSoft hits the jackpot and finds everything - a year from now - what happens? This is not an easy deal and just remember - this game was not shutdown with the intention of selling it later. It was in storage. I really think if we could have hindsight of what we know now a deal could have been done far earlier and not trying to find a 2 year old closed games backup data.

For your own sanity just hang in there as it is very likely the next real movement will be a yes or no - or possibly both. In a deal like this NCSoft may go the way of Cryptic/NCSoft sale and ask for a 2 year deal or some other condition. That is what both sides are working out now. It will take a while to work through each step. Just remember it is easier for NCSoft to do nothing, they are showing respect for our community for even bothering to make a deal. It has been a while since a serious offer was made on the game. I believe it was completely off the NCSoft radar.

I will monitor this thread and chip in when possible - but it is going to take a while at this stage for anything to happen. I do know if NCSoft was going to try and republish CoH - it would not be easy and they would have to spend time and money to get it going as well. In spite of people thinking - it is simple just turn it on! The servers will have been wiped and reused long ago. All that is left is backups. Try not to drive yourself crazy and enjoy the ride, something like this is not completely new but I do believe it will send ripples all over the gaming world.

[sindyr]

Nothing like having massive mobs beating on your while you struggle to stay alive and AoE them to death! :D

FWIW, I may not farm, but that doesn't mean I eschew the godlike feeling of taking on a few dozen baddies at once - and winning!

[hejtmane]

Exactly.  When you get to tweaking your toons, especially in Mids....that's definitely a game in itself.  *sigh* I really hope this works out and we get the game back and functioning.

Man the scrapper board was filled with Mid decked out toon plans we get the same results from 5-8 different ways depending on what you where aiming for to get ever ounce of defense, recharge etc etc and the attack chains discussions where about to go into a whole new make your head explode realm with the new PPM proc changes that where incoming.

I miss that stuff I am not going to lie I been building out toon plans and re-readding some of the I24 discussions we where having on some of those changes

[Ironwolf]

And for a Korean company?

With user data from nearly every country in the world................
On a game closed for 2 years.................
With users that have likely changed credit cards and email addresses.................

Yes, it isn't that easy.

[Serpine]

I did manage to make one in the second or third edition of MnM. There's a power that for the cost of a handful of points will let you essentially create a second or third or eighth form using all the points NOT put into that power.

Yeah there are several options like Dynamic powers (2 point option that lets you shift points between other linked powers) and Variable power (the one I'm assuming you mean) where you basically spend 7 build points per 5 build points of "whatever powers I want at the moment".

[AlienOne]

At this point nothing has changed and due to the nature of the deal - it will take a while to finish. NCSoft does not at this point - appear to have the original source code. Other data like that for users is a maybe. What it appears they have - at this point - is a disk image of the final issue 24. NCSoft also does not appear to have any documentation or development tools - at this point.

None of these issues is a deal killer and in fact helps reduce the price as work will have to be done to be able to get the game running again.

Folks like Codewalker, Downix or Arcana may be able to explain what would be needed to reverse engineer this into a working game. I know Downix said he was thinking it might take 6-12 months to get this going - at this point.

I keep saying - at this point because it could change, NCSoft may find more or another source may have something they were sitting on. The team has said in messages that this could be an ongoing things where NCSoft finds more stuff as time passes. Obviously all of these things affect the price and conditions of sale. If suddenly NCSoft hits the jackpot and finds everything - a year from now - what happens? This is not an easy deal and just remember - this game was not shutdown with the intention of selling it later. It was in storage. I really think if we could have hindsight of what we know now a deal could have been done far earlier and not trying to find a 2 year old closed games backup data.

For your own sanity just hang in there as it is very likely the next real movement will be a yes or no - or possibly both. In a deal like this NCSoft may go the way of Cryptic/NCSoft sale and ask for a 2 year deal or some other condition. That is what both sides are working out now. It will take a while to work through each step. Just remember it is easier for NCSoft to do nothing, they are showing respect for our community for even bothering to make a deal. It has been a while since a serious offer was made on the game. I believe it was completely off the NCSoft radar.

I will monitor this thread and chip in when possible - but it is going to take a while at this stage for anything to happen. I do know if NCSoft was going to try and republish CoH - it would not be easy and they would have to spend time and money to get it going as well. In spite of people thinking - it is simple just turn it on! The servers will have been wiped and reused long ago. All that is left is backups. Try not to drive yourself crazy and enjoy the ride, something like this is not completely new but I do believe it will send ripples all over the gaming world.

Ok, thanks for the update.

[sindyr]

I'm not an endgame type either. I too prefer the journey, and playing the game rather than hurrying to 50. In my 5 and a half years with CoX I only got three toons to 50, two heroes and a villain.

Because I was such a serial player, 1-50, over and over, and since I was in the game since beta, I think I had around 25-30 level 50 characters across two accounts, of almost all archetypes (although I never did the spiders or khelds).

[sindyr]

Technically, those activities could be defined as "end-game" activities as well.

I enjoyed doing those things because I could experiment/respec a fully unlocked 50. I think I respec'd my Warshade at least 50 times (and that's just one character out of 75 or so), because I was obsessed with trying different playstyles, attack chains, single/dual/tri-form builds, etc., etc.

To me, when you're messing around with "perfecting" a build in Mids.... you're doing end-game content. It's called min/maxing. It sounds to me that you were actually a min/maxer that also enjoyed the creation/leveling of a character as well.

Really? I wouldn't use the word 'end-game'. To me end game is what happen after 50 on a character, not before 1. Especially since hitting 50 meant I shelved the character. I would call the minimaxing work I do before making the character 'pre-game', not end-game.

[FloatingFatMan]

Don't know about Korea but there is a wide spread misconception companies in the US have to keep the data they have on you confidential. That's only true in a very small number of cases and companies make a lot of money selling the info they have on you.

I just try to correct that misconception when it comes up because you can't change a situation no one is aware of.

That's been clarified multiple times in the thread, but it really doesn't matter at all. NCSoft is a Korean company; Korean rules will apply, as will the various data protection rules of every country the game was available in.

[gypsyav]

That's been clarified multiple times in the thread, but it really doesn't matter at all. NCSoft is a Korean company; Korean rules will apply, as will the various data protection rules of every country the game was available in.

My initial reply was to someone who was talking about US law.

[AlienOne]

Really? I wouldn't use the word 'end-game'. To me end game is what happen after 50 on a character, not before 1. Especially since hitting 50 meant I shelved the character. I would call the minimaxing work I do before making the character 'pre-game', not end-game.

I said "technically, those activities could be defined as end-game."

I did them after 50, you did them before. It's still min-maxing, and the fact still stands that that activity could be defined as end-game.

Question though:

If you spent so much time coming up with the build and having back-and-forth discussions on the forums for the build for the character, why not actually play it when you've finally completed what you worked so hard at planning?

Just curious...

[Samuraiko]

At this point nothing has changed and due to the nature of the deal - it will take a while to finish. NCSoft does not at this point - appear to have the original source code. Other data like that for users is a maybe. What it appears they have - at this point - is a disk image of the final issue 24. NCSoft also does not appear to have any documentation or development tools - at this point.

*looks up as a beacon flashes against the night sky*

Egads! The Technical Writer/Documentation signal!

*swoops up her laptop and dashes off into the night*

Michelle
aka
Samuraiko/Dark_Respite

(BTW, yes I really am a Sr. Tech Writer IRL - and I have worked at places where they have had to reverse-engineer software/coding documentation. It is a NIGHTMARE.)

[downix]

*looks up as a beacon flashes against the night sky*

Egads! The Technical Writer/Documentation signal!

*swoops up her laptop and dashes off into the night*

Michelle
aka
Samuraiko/Dark_Respite

(BTW, yes I really am a Sr. Tech Writer IRL - and I have worked at places where they have had to reverse-engineer software/coding documentation. It is a NIGHTMARE.)

I used to do that. I feel for you.

[hejtmane]

With user data from nearly every country in the world................
On a game closed for 2 years.................
With users that have likely changed credit cards and email addresses.................

Yes, it isn't that easy.

I gave up on the idea about my old account long ago it has been way to long I get the back end database side stuff could be just horrific mess and since they had the entire global accounts thing I was not expecting much from the start. I would love to have my decked out toons back but such is life. The more important part imo is the game itself back you group is doing a wonderful job from my point of view. Here is to a happy future in COH and COH2