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I can't do it anymore
« on: January 30, 2013, 07:15:31 PM »
I've been trying. I really have. I tried DCUO, it was too console style. I felt like I was playing a crappy version of that Justice League game for the PSP from a few years back. Champions? It was passable, but it felt sort of like a pale shadow of City of Heroes. So then I thought I'd try something different, go for a fantasy game. I have no control over what I look like and every character has the same build. Great. Pass.

I need City of Heroes back is what I really need. But seeing as that isn't possible for the time being, I need help. What's out there? What can I play? I've settled on Guild Wars 2 for the moment only because I like the lore of the GW universe. But the community there is awful. I can't ever find a team for anything. Plus I always feel a little guilty playing it since NCSoft owns it.

How are you guys handling this? What game(s) managed to hold your attention?
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Re: I can't do it anymore
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2013, 07:30:29 PM »
As far as GW2 goes, check out the thread for it in this forum.  There's a number of us playing it and with the advent of Guesting you can find groups on other servers if you're having no luck on your home server.

The downside of GW2 is that the majority of the content is designed to be soloable so people tend not to form groups for regular gameplay.  People will come together to cooperate on events & hearts, but tend not to go through the formality of forming a group because it's unnecessary.  Dungeons, however, require groups, so you might start looking into those once you hit level 30 (the earliest level dungeon starts there.  Also, find a guild you like and join it.  That will be your community for the game, there are a lot of crapheads out and about depending on where you are in the game.


As far as other games - no other game has a community quite like CoH.  If that's what you're looking for, stop - that community is here, and while you can not play CoH right now you can still chat with us here and we're glad to have the company.

Have you tried other multiplayer games, maybe some lobby-based games like Dungeon Defenders? 

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Re: I can't do it anymore
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2013, 07:42:21 PM »
For the moment I play CO... or at least would if that stupid launcher weren't bugged to hell and back. It is in no way a valid replacement (if that is even possible) but it does have a few good points; freeform, naming, fingers ;).
TSW sounds interesting, but the download takes like forever...meh.
Other than that I still have my PS3 and WH40K: Space Marine is quite fun; never thought I'd like a deathmatch/capture the flag game. Turned out it was just the first person motion sickness that kept me from enjoing them. Also
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Re: I can't do it anymore
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2013, 07:57:00 PM »
Sadly there aren't many MMOs out there that could be considered similar to CoH.

It was a unique gem in a sea of WoW-Clones and korean grinders.

CO is about as close as I think you'll find.. Though lately it's serving as a sad reminder to me of just how great CoH was.

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Re: I can't do it anymore
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2013, 09:14:51 PM »
I know the feeling Amp. I've tried DC and CO, Rifts, Dragon Age and a few others, but none of them can hold my interest; none have the depth and feeling that I am looking for. Sadly, there is no game that can hold a candle to CoH.
 
Before the closing, I was only playing CoH and had little to no first-hand experience with the state of the gaming industry and just how far the standards had dropped. Now, it's all about grabbing the quick buck; milking the customer base as far as possible and then trying to convert the players over to the 'next big game'. Greed screws everything up in our world, virtual or not.

So, I'm spending time playing older games, mainly from GoG.com. My current favorite is MOO2 (Masters of Orion 2). Remember that game? Fun but nothing more than a time-filler really.

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Re: I can't do it anymore
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2013, 01:27:35 AM »
I too really miss CoH.

After trying a few other games and avoiding ones from the 6 letter company I found the rest of the games have become a F2P/B2P mess.

I got a couple of RL friends to move over to Eve Online. Its a subcription game so none of this pay to win/cash shop consumable garbage. Is it as good as CoH? Heck no, but it does several things quite well. Its probably the reason why Paragon Studios was not able to get CoH. They didn't want to sell CoH only to have fully unleashed developers make the game grow and be more successful. 

When we want to play a game with actual "human" avatars we play Diablo 2 yes that old game because it is free and we know the game is stable (no worries about nerfs). Diablo 3 was Diablo 1.5 with a cash shop, bleah.

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Re: I can't do it anymore
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2013, 09:11:57 AM »
I've been enjoying The Secret World, great stories and setting - I like the gameplay and the way the skill system is set up.
They are implementing their veteran rewards system in the next update, and they are adding the option to make stuff bought from the store account wide (pets, titles, clothing) - all in all I like the direction the game's going.
I've also been casually enjoying SWTOR again, despite all the negativity around it, I still enjoy it - I couldn't care less about end game content, the thing people whine about in just about every MMO.

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Re: I can't do it anymore
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2013, 02:05:45 PM »
I hooked up with a new RP SG in Champions Online, and some of my old SG/VG mates are over there on occasion as well. To be honest, the gameplay blows CoH's out of the water, but there's nowhere near the content or - more importantly - the community we had.  Eh, you take the good, you take the bad, and you wait to see how City of Steam and ArcheAge pan out in the near future.

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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2013, 03:42:59 PM »
I've been playing CO for two months, and I'm still waiting for it to blow CoH out of the water.  My Brute analog is far more fragile and weak at level 32 than my actual Brutes were at level 20, my Mastermind analog lags the computer when I try to use more than four pets (and plays more like a Blaster With Pets than an actual Mastermind), and all my other characters I've attempted to create wind up being just variations of those two instead of feeling unique (because all the powersets are just elemental variations of each other rather than being unique).

My Martial Arts/Super Reflexes Scrapper on CoH didn't feel anything like my Staff/Dark Brute, and my Grav/Elec Dominator didn't play like my Earth/Ice Dominator, but every character on CO has the same basic attacks, regardless of Framework or Role, so they all feel exactly the same.

I've been trying to work up the interest to log in and play, but I still haven't logged in since Saturday.

I want to play CoH.  I want my real characters back, not these half-assed copies.

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2013, 07:29:50 PM »
I've been playing CO for two months, and I'm still waiting for it to blow CoH out of the water.  My Brute analog is far more fragile and weak at level 32 than my actual Brutes were at level 20, my Mastermind analog lags the computer when I try to use more than four pets (and plays more like a Blaster With Pets than an actual Mastermind), and all my other characters I've attempted to create wind up being just variations of those two instead of feeling unique (because all the powersets are just elemental variations of each other rather than being unique).

My Martial Arts/Super Reflexes Scrapper on CoH didn't feel anything like my Staff/Dark Brute, and my Grav/Elec Dominator didn't play like my Earth/Ice Dominator, but every character on CO has the same basic attacks, regardless of Framework or Role, so they all feel exactly the same.

I've been trying to work up the interest to log in and play, but I still haven't logged in since Saturday.

I want to play CoH.  I want my real characters back, not these half-assed copies.

Hey, what kind of stats are you running that there level 32 character in CO?

My charcters that is set up to be tank/brute equivalent feel lot stronger than I have been able to make them in COH. And my tanks/brutes in COH was nothing to sneeze at. And of course in CO that is just using regular gear that just drops, not buying anything special, so  I can only imagine how powerful they would be if I did buy the specialized stuff like I did in COH.

Two of my currently played toons that are probably the two most strudiest of the group and made so, one is regen passive, and the other uses shield, both used Constitution as primary, one is ranged weapon shooter (the regen passive), with Ego as secondary and endurance for the third. While the other is Personal Force field passive, dual blade, with strength secondary, and recovery third. This one have decent dodge rating as a die effect not purpose. The first one mentioned have no dodge and more on the offensive (probably be the brute of the two.). combined and both are 33 they maybe died a dozen time from doing stupid things in the early levels. And I dont run white mishes outside the usual introduction missions up to 13. Outside that always the red and oranges. Yellow is low as i go and anything below that is usually dropped unless needed as a filler to open up more missions.


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Re: I can't do it anymore
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2013, 03:05:17 AM »
The Secret World here, for the most part. As mentioned upthread, the writing is simply astounding, the immersion factor is very high, and the gameplay is not bad. The character development system and absence of levels works well, too. It's a bit shy of content (although it has a LOT by the standards of a game less than a year old), and I worry about Funcom's financial health, but for me it's been a more than adequate replacement. To be honest, I was still playing CoH (and would be to this day...) more for friends and beloved characters than for the game itself.

I've also just recently gotten back into Fallen Earth. It's finally running well again (it was glitchy as hell after the port to an entirely different server architecture following its acquisition by Gamer's First), and while the pace of development is very, very slow due to the mere handful of developers, its strengths remain: the only real challenge to TSW in the immersion/atmosphere sweepstakes, a vast, explorable world, and my personal MMO holy grail: real targeting in combat (reticule, baby!). It's also the only game in which I've ever actually enjoyed crafting...

Don't get me wrong: I miss the hell out of CoH. But I'm happy with the games I'm playing, too.

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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2013, 06:19:49 PM »
My solution was to play something as utterly different from CoH as I could possibly get.  The answer, for me, turned out to be Dungeon Fighter Online, at least for the time being.

DFO got my attention by appealing to my love of retro games; in this case, old-school side-scrolling beat-em-ups like Final Fight, Streets of Rage, and Golden Axe.  I often describe DFO to friends as the illegitimate love-child between Diablo 2 and Golden Axe.  It's a fantasy universe, and character customization is kinda nonexistent unless you either shell out real money for Avatar items via the cash shop, or pay exorbitant amounts of in-game currency to players via the auction house to purchase avatar items.  The community (I use the term loosely) rather sucks, full of e-peen-waving ten year olds, interspersed with frequent RMT-spam.  I recommend that if you play it, play it with friends you know.  Don't try to game with pubbies, most of them suck and just want to leech off you.

Still, the game's rather fun to play, on its own merits.  The basic gameplay is very simple - you have four directional keys and four basic buttons (attack, jump, special, and special 2).  All of your skills can either be activated by a direct hotkey (like hitting F1-F6) or by inputting a command sequence similar to Street Fighter - using the command sequences often gives you a small discount to mana cost and a small boost to recharge speed.  The game consists of moving from room to room, killing all the enemies in the room, and then moving to the next until you reach the boss of the dungeon.

Where the game's challenge lies is in Combo Rate and boss fights.  The game rewards you for killing several enemies at once, or killing enemies as part of a multi-hitting combo.  The larger the percentage of the dungeon's enemies that you kill, and the more you kill as part of a combo, and the larger the combos you achieve, the better your rewards at the end of the dungeon.  Boss fights typically present a unique challenge - either the boss will be a normal enemy of the dungeon upgraded with unique patterns and attacks, or a special, unique enemy with his own attack pattern.  There's also quests, which basically consist of tasks to perform while in a dungeon - such as clearing it on a specific difficulty, or killing a certain amount of enemies of a given type, or collecting a certain amount of quest item drops from a specific enemy.  You get quests from NPCs in town between dungeons, much like Diablo

Now, I will say that the game is much faster-paced than CoH, and frequently requires some twitch gaming skills, especially when strining together combos or fighting either other players or APCs (computer-controlled enemies that mimic a player character).  Some classes require more or less of this than others (I highly recommend you avoid Fighters, Gunners, and Female Mages when first starting out) but just about all characters will require you to learn how to string your attacks together against a wide variety of enemy types in order to combo.  If this is a problem, DFO may not be right for you.

DFO does run very well on low-end systems.  My computer's a six-plus-year-old dinosaur, and it runs DFO quite nicely even on maximum settings.  This isn't surprising, since it's almost purely sprite-based game that only uses 3D geometry for certain skill effects.  Still, there's pretty much no modern computer that will have problems running it.

If you give it a shot, let me know - I'll be happy to help you through your early dungeons, maybe even set up a Mentorship with you so that you can earn a bit more XP from your dungeon runs.

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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2013, 09:12:30 PM »
The most fun I had with all of the MMOs out there and I tried, was Star Trek Online because it's really different and not a clone from a clone from just an other fantasy grinder. In some parts you really see the hands from the City of Heroes developers in there. You can play this nice for free, but everywhere you look with you eyes there are signs for the item shop. It's a nice game with nice storys, but the problem with all of this games is... This are not MMORPGs for me. They are single player games with an multiplayer option. In City of Heroes I locked in, asking what's going on and then I had a team with nice peoples for the evening. In all of the other games I tried it's not that simple. You are a lonley wolf there because most of the people are doing their stuff alone. Most of the missions are just crapy for a team, with missions like "Defeat 10 Hopgoblins and bring me their blood". We also had them in City of Heroes of course, but never ever they where locked for the team because they are just boring. I don't have to play an MMO like that, I can play an other game then what is really designed for the single player. Sometimes I had the feeling I always played the same game just with an other graphic...

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2013, 11:20:58 PM »
Hey, what kind of stats are you running that there level 32 character in CO?

86% damage resistance (CO-style, which translates to 46.2% DR CoH-style), and damage of 175% melee/141% Ranged when I have all 8 stacks of Enraged going.

I had better DR than that at level 22 on my Staff/Dark Brute on CoH (who also had far better mez protection and in-combat regeneration, neither of which my CO character has at all), and my damage buffs in CO are about the same as my CoH damage buffs from around 70%-80% Fury alone on CoH (i.e., not counting enhancements or set bonuses).

Maybe with a level 40 character with ultra-rare and ultra-pain-in-the-ass-to-acquire gear, my CO character will be stronger, but right now, at level 33, he's weaker than my CoH Brutes were when they first were able to buy SOs at Level 22.
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Re: I can't do it anymore
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2013, 12:25:06 AM »
86% damage resistance (CO-style, which translates to 46.2% DR CoH-style), and damage of 175% melee/141% Ranged when I have all 8 stacks of Enraged going.

I had better DR than that at level 22 on my Staff/Dark Brute on CoH (who also had far better mez protection and in-combat regeneration, neither of which my CO character has at all), and my damage buffs in CO are about the same as my CoH damage buffs from around 70%-80% Fury alone on CoH (i.e., not counting enhancements or set bonuses).

Maybe with a level 40 character with ultra-rare and ultra-pain-in-the-ass-to-acquire gear, my CO character will be stronger, but right now, at level 33, he's weaker than my CoH Brutes were when they first were able to buy SOs at Level 22.

And nothing for constitution? Damage resistance works wonders with some Hp.

Yeah mezzes work way different there. I didnt see the need for mez protection since being mezzed over and over back to back to back usually dont happen there and getting out of them depends on button tapping instead of being forced to wait and hoping they dont stack or having pure immunity to them.

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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2013, 02:19:44 PM »
Con is one of my Secondary Super Stats.

And it's not so much Mez protection, it's KB protection.  I'm constantly being sent flying.

Invulnerability is also a lot weaker without CoH's natural regeneration.  In CoH, Invulnerability meant I took so little damage that my normal regen (especially with Inherent Fitness and, later, Physical Perfection) could cover the damage I was taking, even in protracted fights.  I actually felt invulnerable.

In CO, Invulnerability means my health drops a little slower than before, but (because of the lack of in-battle regen) it still drops, and it's still a battle of attrition.  Against Master Villains, I usually win with only a tiny sliver of health left, even after using the out-of-theme self-heal I was forced to take. I can't imagine how quickly I'd die if I wasn't supposedly "invulnerable".
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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2013, 07:09:47 PM »
Con is one of my Secondary Super Stats.

And it's not so much Mez protection, it's KB protection.  I'm constantly being sent flying.

Invulnerability is also a lot weaker without CoH's natural regeneration.  In CoH, Invulnerability meant I took so little damage that my normal regen (especially with Inherent Fitness and, later, Physical Perfection) could cover the damage I was taking, even in protracted fights.  I actually felt invulnerable.

In CO, Invulnerability means my health drops a little slower than before, but (because of the lack of in-battle regen) it still drops, and it's still a battle of attrition.  Against Master Villains, I usually win with only a tiny sliver of health left, even after using the out-of-theme self-heal I was forced to take. I can't imagine how quickly I'd die if I wasn't supposedly "invulnerable".


Ah invul. Yes, that set, despite it's name, is only very meh. It's one of those sets that constitution have to be primary and main focus or else ya will faceplant. Oh and of course, dont forget to block.

With constituion primary tree, there is a few powers that increase regeneration a little making it a little better, but over all, yeah invul is alot weaker in CO overall than the COH version. You should find yourself blocking. and since with invul you'll be blocking often a blocking power that either buff the next attack (retaliation I think) and or damages the opponent in some way, should be taken.

Invul is not the best set out there for tanks/brutes ironically. Hell, Lightning reflex, power armor and the likes is better by the 30s with a good dodge number than invul.


-update- Alright talked to the people in the COX channel in the CO game about Invul. Apparently it's a good set among them. They said the key to making invul work is dodge. They recommended to take a bountiful chi with the advantage and with that there should be no problem with taking out legendary foes. Trying to find a guide somewhere  I can link you too. It seems according to them invul is even more of a powerful set than I thought.
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2013, 01:34:51 AM »
-update- Alright talked to the people in the COX channel in the CO game about Invul. Apparently it's a good set among them. They said the key to making invul work is dodge. They recommended to take a bountiful chi with the advantage and with that there should be no problem with taking out legendary foes. Trying to find a guide somewhere  I can link you too. It seems according to them invul is even more of a powerful set than I thought.

Logged in my Invuln tank...

At 40, she takes off 158 damage straight from the top, then has another 114% Cryptic resistance (55% actual) off of that. The 46% of attacks she dodges has 59% already taken off to begin with.  And she has 11k in HP to begin with and gets 6.7k of it back every time she hits Resurgence. On Grabs I can just waltz right into a cluster of mobs and start swinging. It'll take a while to start feeling it, at which point I slap on Resurgence and tell 'em to try again. :)

Now just to get her damage to where I can feel happier taking her on Smashes, but, um, yeah. Invuln isn't a weak set at all. Like everything in-game, however, it really doesn't blossom until you hit the 30s.

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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2013, 02:30:07 AM »
Logged in my Invuln tank...

At 40, she takes off 158 damage straight from the top, then has another 114% Cryptic resistance (55% actual) off of that. The 46% of attacks she dodges has 59% already taken off to begin with.  And she has 11k in HP to begin with and gets 6.7k of it back every time she hits Resurgence. On Grabs I can just waltz right into a cluster of mobs and start swinging. It'll take a while to start feeling it, at which point I slap on Resurgence and tell 'em to try again. :)

Now just to get her damage to where I can feel happier taking her on Smashes, but, um, yeah. Invuln isn't a weak set at all. Like everything in-game, however, it really doesn't blossom until you hit the 30s.

yeah. That is how it felt with my current main, a force field defense with dual blade and force powers. It was good to begin with, better at 25, and once the dual slot gear became available and started dropping around level 30, it's awesome. No qualms about taking on anything in the game that I can take on. at 34 in hybrid mode, which I run on all toons, it has only about 7,400 hp and another 4,800 in shield. Rarely ever get down into the point where I run out of shield and start taking hits to the hp. And with the shield heal, it is bleek for the enemies.

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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2013, 07:49:15 PM »
See, the problem is, I hate blocking.  Especially since all it does is prevent me from attacking while slightly slowing down the rate I'm taking damage.  I'm still not regenerating (like I was in CoH) so my health is still going down, and while I'm blocking, I'm not doing any damage to the enemy.

The upshot of that is, when I release block, I'm worse off than I was when I started blocking - I have less HP than before, while the opponent has the same HP as before.

I'd rather take the hits while delivering big hits of my own (which is hard enough considering that all my big hits involve charging for 5 seconds), and trying to out-damage him (because sitting there doing no damage certainly isn't getting me any closer to winning the fight).

And telling me how "powerful" your Level 40s are ... is not encouraging.  All it does is prove my point.  I had 50% damage resistance at level 22 on CoH, so your 55% at level 40 with ultra-rare uber-leet gear is not impressive.

At max level, I had 90% damage resist, plus constant regeneration, plus full mez protection, plus +300% damage buffs... which pretty much proves my original statement: CO characters are frail paper-mache wisps compared to my old CoH characters.

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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2013, 10:55:30 PM »
Tried a number of MMOs including GW2, SWTOR, DCUO, etc and while I could play for awhile (except DC, that I hated) nothing grabbed me quite like CoH did. However, I had been a part of a few beta runs for The Secret World and had purchased the game when it went B2P. I created my character, went through a few things and lost interest.

This weekend however, I logged back in and the hours flew by and I had to force myself to log off in order to eat and sleep. Now I have to face not being on there again for quite some time (travel).

There are a number of CoH refugees there and they have their own channels.

The system is pretty nifty. No need to re-roll or respec. You can go at it alone and team randomly to experience some of the dungeons or team up for a good portion of the game (there are solo instances in your storyline). I hope that they add a bit more to the character creator. Plus there are mods to make switching of outfits, tracking friends, etc a lot easier and the mod community is pretty active. What is really nice is that I have yet to see some of the antics in General Chat like can be found in GW2. For the most part everyone seems pretty laid back and helpful.
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2013, 11:01:54 PM »
See, the problem is, I hate blocking.  Especially since all it does is prevent me from attacking while slightly slowing down the rate I'm taking damage.  I'm still not regenerating (like I was in CoH) so my health is still going down, and while I'm blocking, I'm not doing any damage to the enemy.

The upshot of that is, when I release block, I'm worse off than I was when I started blocking - I have less HP than before, while the opponent has the same HP as before.

I'd rather take the hits while delivering big hits of my own (which is hard enough considering that all my big hits involve charging for 5 seconds), and trying to out-damage him (because sitting there doing no damage certainly isn't getting me any closer to winning the fight).

And telling me how "powerful" your Level 40s are ... is not encouraging.  All it does is prove my point.  I had 50% damage resistance at level 22 on CoH, so your 55% at level 40 with ultra-rare uber-leet gear is not impressive.

At max level, I had 90% damage resist, plus constant regeneration, plus full mez protection, plus +300% damage buffs... which pretty much proves my original statement: CO characters are frail paper-mache wisps compared to my old CoH characters.

Meh guess it depeds on how ya build them.

I havent even gotten around to mentioning my level 40 yet.

I guess some people are better at building charcters in COX than I was and I'm better at building charcters in CO. Two different games two different mechanics and not everyone is a god building machine in both. Some COX character building gods find themselves weak in CO while people who found themselves weak in COX find their character building skills uber in CO. I guess sometimes people find a game they are not too good at when previous they were the master while the ones that wasnt the master of one system is the master of another.

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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2013, 01:41:06 AM »
That's the other thing - I wasn't a "master" of CoH.  My 50% resist on a level 22 Brute was on SOs. I probably could have done a lot better if I'd had better enhancements.  I was a lazy player who didn't grind (other than for Incarnate components, but that was because I actually enjoyed the Incarnate trials) and didn't have the best of anything (including Incarnate components - T3 was good enough for most of my characters), and my characters were still a million times more effective than any other character I've ever had in any other MMO I've ever played, even ones where I've put in more effort.  (And in the off-chance that my character still sucked, I could turn the difficulty down even further and still blow through the content and the story arcs)

That's why I posted this lament in a topic entitled "I can't do it anymore", rather than making a topic on the CO boards.  I wasn't asking for help, I was bemoaning the lack of games where my characters feel as powerful as they felt in CoH.

Champions is just another example of a game where the player abilities sound powerful in theory but in practice they're nowhere near as effective as they sound (or where they're only effective after you've hit the level cap and have spent months grinding for a full set of uber-gear where each piece has a 1/1,000,000 chance of dropping), and the only really "powerful" characters are the mobs. (And telling me about supposedly powerful characters who have lower damage resistance than my high-end CoH Dominators, let alone the Brutes and Tankers, doesn't change that opinion at all)
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Re: I can't do it anymore
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2013, 04:02:58 AM »
My issue with CO, specifically, is that if you're not a freeform, you can't build gods.  Hell, you can't even build what the community considers 'relatively passable.'  Freeform is that essential to the process, and this is why I've stopped after I got my first character to the cap.  There's no incentive to grind him further, because even if I did get a full set of modded out questionite gear or uber-drops from cosmic/legendary enemies, he wouldn't get much better.

This is why I've moved on to non-superhero games.  All of them are either more restrictive than CoH was, won't run on my computer, or lack the fundamental things I loved about CoH - character customization and backstory development.

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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2013, 04:17:16 AM »
That's the other thing - I wasn't a "master" of CoH.  My 50% resist on a level 22 Brute was on SOs. I probably could have done a lot better if I'd had better enhancements.  I was a lazy player who didn't grind (other than for Incarnate components, but that was because I actually enjoyed the Incarnate trials) and didn't have the best of anything (including Incarnate components - T3 was good enough for most of my characters), and my characters were still a million times more effective than any other character I've ever had in any other MMO I've ever played, even ones where I've put in more effort.  (And in the off-chance that my character still sucked, I could turn the difficulty down even further and still blow through the content and the story arcs)

That's why I posted this lament in a topic entitled "I can't do it anymore", rather than making a topic on the CO boards.  I wasn't asking for help, I was bemoaning the lack of games where my characters feel as powerful as they felt in CoH.

Champions is just another example of a game where the player abilities sound powerful in theory but in practice they're nowhere near as effective as they sound (or where they're only effective after you've hit the level cap and have spent months grinding for a full set of uber-gear where each piece has a 1/1,000,000 chance of dropping), and the only really "powerful" characters are the mobs. (And telling me about supposedly powerful characters who have lower damage resistance than my high-end CoH Dominators, let alone the Brutes and Tankers, doesn't change that opinion at all)

I see.

Well maybe CO just isnt the game for you.

But I'm not sure if number to number is proper compare. If that was the case, then I could say that COX hp was very low because even my weakest toon in CO have way more sometimes up to 2-3 times as much  hp as the ones in COX at level 26 than my level 50 tanks to more than make up for the lower defense type numbers. Not to mention 100% hit rate compared to whiffing alot when facing things more than yellow con thus able to do more damage overall. And more end to boot.

But in the end it all depends on the player. To some, they will find their creations weaker. Others will find them way more near god like in CO. Thus in the end, whether or not COX characters are more powerful or less powerful is something that cant be said ina definate manner outside of personal experience. I guess in this case you got the short end of the stick and it's unfortunate but bound to happen to someone. Sorry CO just can do it for you as an enjoyable game but there are plenty more out there that may or may not suit your needs.
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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2013, 04:13:27 AM »
Percentages are percentages.  The HP numbers may be larger in CO but 50% damage resist is still 50% damage resist.  And regeneration vs. lack of regeneration still means my HP stayed rock-steady at the top in CoH against all but the toughest enemies, while my HP in CO drops against Villains and drops quickly against Master Villains.  (Heck, since I picked up Bountiful Chi Resurgence, I note my HP drops even while regenerating)

And the saddest part of all is despite all that, as fragile as my CO characters feel compared to their CoH counterparts, my characters in CO still feel far more powerful than my characters in every other MMO I've ever played, to the same degree that my CoH characters felt more powerful than my CO characters.  My characters in most games are nothing but damage magnets who quickly die over and over, regardless of class, role, or strategy.  (In one game I play, my character is only decent because my wife gets her guildmates to give me free items.  Every attempt to find or craft any high-end gear for myself ends in failure.  I'm just wearing other people's hand-me-downs, and I'm still always the first to die.  I don't feel heroic - or effective, or useful - at all.  I'm committing suicide every time I solo, and I'm dragging everyone else down when I team.  That's not fun for me or anyone around me)

As the topic title says, I can't do this anymore. I can't pretend that other games - any other game, MMO or otherwise - is even a tenth as good as CoH.  CoH held my interest for two full years, even when I couldn't afford to subscribe due to joblessness (and they had so much planned for the future I wasn't going to get bored any time soon).  No other game has done that.  In particular, I'm utterly bored with CO after less than two months (and their "future" is just more lockboxes and cash grabs, rather than new powersets, zones, and story arcs, so there's nothing to look forward to).

I seriously miss CoH, and I'm seriously depressed about it.
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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2013, 05:05:22 AM »
As sad as it sounds, I haven't played another MMO since CoX went down. I went back to console games and, while they're nowhere near the same, at least I can create my own 'hero' in my fave one (Mass Effect series) or at least kick back and grind/level in others (Fire Emblem, Borderlands).

But I miss the RPing community only found in CoX and the amazing character creator that went with it. Maybe I'll have to give TSW or SW:TOR a try again one day, when I get my MMO muse back, but I just hate playing a character whose story is pre-planned for me in an MMO. *coughanywordonprivateserversforcoxcough?*

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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2013, 06:07:42 AM »
Percentages are percentages.  The HP numbers may be larger in CO but 50% damage resist is still 50% damage resist.  And regeneration vs. lack of regeneration still means my HP stayed rock-steady at the top in CoH against all but the toughest enemies, while my HP in CO drops against Villains and drops quickly against Master Villains.  (Heck, since I picked up Bountiful Chi Resurgence, I note my HP drops even while regenerating)

And the saddest part of all is despite all that, as fragile as my CO characters feel compared to their CoH counterparts, my characters in CO still feel far more powerful than my characters in every other MMO I've ever played, to the same degree that my CoH characters felt more powerful than my CO characters.  My characters in most games are nothing but damage magnets who quickly die over and over, regardless of class, role, or strategy.  (In one game I play, my character is only decent because my wife gets her guildmates to give me free items.  Every attempt to find or craft any high-end gear for myself ends in failure.  I'm just wearing other people's hand-me-downs, and I'm still always the first to die.  I don't feel heroic - or effective, or useful - at all.  I'm committing suicide every time I solo, and I'm dragging everyone else down when I team.  That's not fun for me or anyone around me)

As the topic title says, I can't do this anymore. I can't pretend that other games - any other game, MMO or otherwise - is even a tenth as good as CoH.  CoH held my interest for two full years, even when I couldn't afford to subscribe due to joblessness (and they had so much planned for the future I wasn't going to get bored any time soon).  No other game has done that.  In particular, I'm utterly bored with CO after less than two months (and their "future" is just more lockboxes and cash grabs, rather than new powersets, zones, and story arcs, so there's nothing to look forward to).

I seriously miss CoH, and I'm seriously depressed about it.

Yeah nothing will replace COX. It was one of a kind.

The up side of being one of a kind is that it was unique, fresh, fun, overall total package. Downside to being unique is when it goes and or get shut down, there is nothing to replace it.  It's like a gift and a curse in one package.

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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2013, 08:46:29 AM »
Except CO uses percentages where it shouldn't. Remember in CoH, how 100% recharge or endurance cost reduction actually only about halved the value? CO uses that kind of wonky math for everything.

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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2013, 02:37:36 PM »
Except CO uses percentages where it shouldn't. Remember in CoH, how 100% recharge or endurance cost reduction actually only about halved the value? CO uses that kind of wonky math for everything.

Yes.  I know.  That's why I converted them to real values, and was referencing those real values when I said "50% is 50%".  50% real damage resist is the same as 50% real damage resist, even if CO tries to inflate the numbers by claiming it's 100%.

If I were using Wonky Champions Numbers for everything, then I would have said my CoH Brutes and Tanks had between (what CO calls) 400% to 900% damage resistance.

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« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2013, 11:20:04 PM »
I don't know why CO insists on using those wonky damage resistance numbers, it's just freaking confusing and nearly useless to the average joe..

Almost as useless as the "Superior Damage Resistance" "Minor Damage Resistance" descriptions from early CoH..

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« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2013, 05:30:08 PM »
Except CO uses percentages where it shouldn't. Remember in CoH, how 100% recharge or endurance cost reduction actually only about halved the value? CO uses that kind of wonky math for everything.

OK, I'll be the odd duck in the pond: I'm OK with Cryptic math. CoH math made it too easy to make guys impervious to almost everything, so we wound up with debuffs as the dev weapon of choice. Which turned combat pretty much into an all-or-nothing affair. It annoyed me that my Elec tank could steamroll through most anything, then had to stock up on purples and greens when he hit a batch of Cimerorans. Cryptic mixed it up a bit more in CO and I think it pays off well. My Invuln can literally shrug off the small stuff but can feel the heavier hitters, that to me feels more modern age (DCAU) Superman.

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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2013, 04:58:03 AM »
I don't mind the wonky math either as long as it's made clear that +50 resist isn't +50% resist. If the final number actually only takes 50% off damage, display it as 50%. Don't display the +500 of whatever stat it took to get there.