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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #860 on: March 25, 2014, 06:27:02 PM »
I'm under the impression that Arcana meant places that have security clearance issues. This may not be exactly the situations Arcana's in, but I have a friend who got top secret clearance for the government, and he said that there are certain rooms / places where you can't bring in technology, and anything you write down on paper has to stay in the room. It's a far cry from the RIAA getting angry over downloading mp3s to the government protecting top secret material.
That's an obvious situation, but there are others less obvious but no less unarguable.  Many hospitals and health care organizations bar camera phones in certain areas due to HIPAA concerns.  Many financial institutions bar camera phones in sensitive areas for other regulatory reasons.  Technically speaking, if you are even a waiter at a restaurant and you had augmented vision implants, you would personally need to pass a PCI audit or you wouldn't be allowed to handle credit cards.  And you would have to prove to your employer they could verify you did not record card holder information.  Because if they let you  work there, and you steal that information, not only would you be liable, they would be also for being stupid enough to hire someone with eyeballs that could record credit card numbers.

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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #861 on: March 25, 2014, 06:34:30 PM »
I couldn't disagree more.  There are many media for presenting stories: oral, written, stage, film, game...  Each has its own advantages, style options, etc.  There are some books that would never work as films.  Hasn't stopped Hollywood from making movies of them, of course. :-)
Because every story can be told in different ways by different media, every story told in one media can be adapted for a different media.  But that doesn't mean every story can be translated perfectly, particularly ones that explicitly attempt to leverage the media they are in.  Scott McCloud talks about this in Understanding Comics and some of his other works: reading a comic is an active, not a passive experience in which the writer/drawer is attempting to *evoke* the story in the mind of the reader, not simply describe it.  Because that evocation is very specific to the media, in many cases its impossible to translate into other media.

My go-to example for this is Book 4 of Watchmen.  Aka Dr. Manhattan's soliloquy.  The movie tried admirably to capture a small piece of what that book does, but it doesn't really come close.  And actually, however much Snyder misses in some areas of story, he definitely did a good job overall capturing the visual aspect of the story in general.  That book in particular is just designed specifically for the media it was written in, and doesn't have the right touchstones in other media.

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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #862 on: March 25, 2014, 08:36:47 PM »
The best thing about the Watchmen movie was the 'Dillon' introit.  Perfect.

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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #863 on: March 25, 2014, 11:05:45 PM »
You are conflating replacement body parts which we already have and are developing better versions of, and augmentation technology which is still very limited in scope.  And those people make a conscious effort, when its necessary, to take the risks associated with implantation surgery for the benefits thereof.  There's a presumption that those risks are reasonable risks.  If something goes wrong when someone is trying to get an iPod implanted, their relatives are not always going to take the position that risk was reasonable.

I really don't see it as all that different.  Manufacturer A makes replacement arms.  Manufacturer B does too.  A wants you to buy his arms.  B wants you to buy hers.  A offers a feature or set of features not available from B.  Nor are those features available to humans with their original arms.  Your friend who needs a new arm buys A's arm and he has this nifty set of features.  You don't have them but it would be nice if you did so you do what?  Choose to do the keeping up with the Jones routine or shrug it off?  Most people would choose to spend the cash on the arm with the features aka keep up with the Jones.  A's features include retractable 2nd pair of hands for example.  How many of us would like an extra pair of hands?  I don't need new arms but for the convenience of extra hands, I'd consider it.

Today limb replacement tech is primitive and potentially dangerous to your health but the pace of improvements continues to gain.  Right now there are distinctions but those lines will blur. 
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« Reply #864 on: March 25, 2014, 11:08:28 PM »
I work in the auto industry, this stuff is fascinating and exciting and technology improvements are moving at breakneck speed!

And it will go faster and faster.  The car tech you mention is the beginning of those systems, and, as impressive as they are (they are quite impressive indeed), they're nothing compared to what will be coming.
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« Reply #865 on: March 25, 2014, 11:30:13 PM »
Felderburg, those all interesting questions.  I don't know the answers.  I figure parents will chose to enhance their kids out of fear of being left behind as far as gov't allows them.  Some will go past that legalities be damned.

While I wasn't referring to genetic engineering that too is in the pipe.  GE is way scarier in that changing a few genes so your daughter is a hot blonde bombshell can cause a nasty side effect in her or her children.  It may be generations before the gene splicing's nasties even expresses itself.

I figured Arcana was talking about all the places that have problems today and not just high security gov't positions.  Companies, for example, don't want us taking pictures of their buildings.  Even something as simple as taking your picture next to say a Macy's store sign isn't allowed, and Macy's can come after you in court today over it.  There is little doubt that there are moral and ethical issues that will need to be addressed in addition to the legal issues.  Even making it illegal to have implants or genetic mods won't stop people from getting them.  It will just become an underground industry like say illegal drugs or back alley abortions.  Both of those issues we've had for decades and we're still battling over them with no end in site.

To the OP, I think we've gone way beyond having a private server unless you consider running that server in your head on your implanted computer.  lol
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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #866 on: March 26, 2014, 03:47:01 AM »
Want to take a guess as to the single biggest problem with self-driving cars?  No one knows how to insure them.  Without a way to regulate liability for a technology like that, it will never be a mainstream technology. 
I can't wait for that one.  I hate traffic jams with a passion and will not miss them at all.   Imagine knowing exactly when you will get somewhere for a change!

  I also won't miss the over 30,000 deaths each year from traffic accidents.   No more worrying about drunk drivers either.  If saving over 30,000 lives a year isn't a compelling reason to do it, I don't know what else would convince.

I also dislike driving anyway and won't mind making better use of my time during a commute than staring at the road.

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« Reply #867 on: March 26, 2014, 04:13:50 AM »
I also won't miss the over 30,000 deaths each year from traffic accidents.   No more worrying about drunk drivers either.  If saving over 30,000 lives a year isn't a compelling reason to do it, I don't know what else would convince.
That assumes that everyone would want one.  I, for one, don't even like automatics.  I'm staying with a stick shift and driving myself, thank you.  But I don't care about other peoples' self-driving cars (as long they're not crashing into me).

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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #868 on: March 26, 2014, 05:36:55 AM »
  Because if they let you  work there, and you steal that information, not only would you be liable, they would be also for being stupid enough to hire someone with eyeballs that could record credit card numbers.

You know, almost anyone's eyeballs can record credit card numbers.  But yes, we are rather off topic from private servers.
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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #869 on: March 27, 2014, 08:09:00 PM »
And it will go faster and faster.  The car tech you mention is the beginning of those systems, and, as impressive as they are (they are quite impressive indeed), they're nothing compared to what will be coming.

Yes, that is true. I am certain we will not miss the several million jobs currently being held by people driving trucks, cars, trains and dare I say, airplanes. What could possibly go wrong?! Think of the newfound leisure these people will "enjoy." Plus, computers are infallibly right, right? No one would maliciously hack a vehicle would they? Nah.

Oh brave new world, that has such unemployment in it.

With that said, yes I still need a private server or the smarts and cash to make one for us.  8)

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« Reply #870 on: March 29, 2014, 04:28:09 PM »
Yes, that is true. I am certain we will not miss the several million jobs currently being held by people driving trucks, cars, trains and dare I say, airplanes. What could possibly go wrong?! Think of the newfound leisure these people will "enjoy." Plus, computers are infallibly right, right? No one would maliciously hack a vehicle would they? Nah.

Oh brave new world, that has such unemployment in it.

With that said, yes I still need a private server or the smarts and cash to make one for us.  8)

HA!!! ^Perfect^  Stay in tech school kids  :)  Now, where is that private server ???

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« Reply #871 on: March 29, 2014, 11:08:08 PM »
Yes, that is true. I am certain we will not miss the several million jobs currently being held by people driving trucks, cars, trains and dare I say, airplanes. What could possibly go wrong?! Think of the newfound leisure these people will "enjoy." Plus, computers are infallibly right, right? No one would maliciously hack a vehicle would they? Nah.

Oh brave new world, that has such unemployment in it.

Just like we miss the thousands of switchboard operators, the tens of thousands of people in the calculating pool, the hundreds of thousands of people in the typing pool, the telegraph operators, coaling station employees, pony express riders, and manual typesetters.  Think of how much more infallible the ice box was than the modern refrigerator.  As long as the ice delivery guy kept coming, the only thing that could break was the hinge on the door.  And if everyone had to post on the internet through stenographers, just imagine the increase in grammatical accuracy and the decrease in impulsive flame wars.

Also, unless your primary vehicle is a 1978 Datsun, people can already hack your car.

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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #872 on: March 29, 2014, 11:45:07 PM »
Just like we miss the thousands of switchboard operators, the tens of thousands of people in the calculating pool, the hundreds of thousands of people in the typing pool, the telegraph operators, coaling station employees, pony express riders, and manual typesetters.  Think of how much more infallible the ice box was than the modern refrigerator.  As long as the ice delivery guy kept coming, the only thing that could break was the hinge on the door.  And if everyone had to post on the internet through stenographers, just imagine the increase in grammatical accuracy and the decrease in impulsive flame wars.

Also, unless your primary vehicle is a 1978 Datsun, people can already hack your car.

Your examples are wonderful, but I'm afraid your point is wrong (I'm not saying your point is wrong, I'm saying I'm AFRAID your point is wrong). 

This version of automation is capable of generating judgement-like effects that make it possible to actually remove humans from nearly all definable activities.  The driver profession is the most powerful example, but already the massive surge in US manufacturing is generating only a tiny percentage of manufacturing jobs per dollar compared to traditional manufacturing -- the robots are getting good ENOUGH that this time it IS different.

And because we have organized our society around the wonderfully effective (and generally beneficial by any measure) capitalist market system, the massive increase in future wealth from tech is going almost exclusively to investors (and the bulk of that to venture investors) which excludes the vast majority of our society.  So how, in this future, is the half of all people with below 100 IQ's supposed to survive?

We have to somehow recognize, legally, that all American citizens are "investors" in the stable social and political system that ALLOWS wealth creation -- America draws investment from all over the world because of our system -- we need our people to receive return for this much as the people of Alaska receive payment for their state's natural resources. (Every Alaskan gets a check from the Government due to oil taxes).

But this has nothing to do with private servers
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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #873 on: March 30, 2014, 12:30:11 AM »

But this has nothing to do with private servers

That depends.  Do you think we can automate the creation of private servers?

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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #874 on: March 30, 2014, 12:50:57 AM »
That depends.  Do you think we can automate the creation of private servers?

Sure, just don't hook it up to Apple Maps.
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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #875 on: March 30, 2014, 04:56:27 AM »
That depends.  Do you think we can automate the creation of private servers?

If that were true I would gleefully accept the destruction of all the world's economy so that I could play COH while living off hoarded granola bars  :-*
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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #876 on: March 31, 2014, 12:16:00 AM »
Yes, that is true. I am certain we will not miss the several million jobs currently being held by people driving trucks, cars, trains and dare I say, airplanes. What could possibly go wrong?! Think of the newfound leisure these people will "enjoy." Plus, computers are infallibly right, right? No one would maliciously hack a vehicle would they? Nah.

Oh brave new world, that has such unemployment in it.

With that said, yes I still need a private server or the smarts and cash to make one for us.  8)

And ppl wonder why I'm going to buy my next vehicle now before they get "upgraded".
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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #877 on: March 31, 2014, 12:46:04 AM »
And because we have organized our society around the wonderfully effective (and generally beneficial by any measure) capitalist market system, the massive increase in future wealth from tech is going almost exclusively to investors (and the bulk of that to venture investors) which excludes the vast majority of our society.  So how, in this future, is the half of all people with below 100 IQ's supposed to survive?

Actually it might be possible to make a socialist system work as all the machines become the commoner class while the humans become the elite class.  The transition might be a little painful, and we'd be in serious trouble if the machines became self aware.

Come to think of it, think they could build some of those machines as transformers?

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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #878 on: March 31, 2014, 02:36:44 AM »
That depends.  Do you think we can automate the creation of private servers?
Yup/// I'll have skynet get right on that...  8)
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Re: OK, what now? I need a private server or the ability to run my own.
« Reply #879 on: March 31, 2014, 04:08:14 AM »
... we'd be in serious trouble if the machines became self aware.

Speaking of automated, self-aware machines, have you (anyone) seen @HardSciFiMovies on Twitter? One of my favorites is:
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