Campaign idea em hold torch

Segev · October 02, 2012, 10:00:58 PM

Fair enough. They are...messy...and that's the nicest way of putting it.

(I've mercifully never had to work with anything they're involved in. I generally find their antics range from "amusing" to "distasteful." The fact that there IS no central organization makes them a fascinating study from a professional standpoint, as a Swarm Intelligence model, but really, they're a strange evolution of the mob mentality. Which is, itself, an interesting case study of swarming behavior.)

</nerding out>

Sorry I brought it up. I have a bad habit of opening all options to awareness, if only because one cannot say one has exhausted all options until one has at least acknowledged which ones one will not condone.

Tahliah · October 03, 2012, 12:34:25 AM

Quote from: eabrace on October 02, 2012, 09:55:56 PM
Even if this whole effort ends up going red, even if it's after Nov. 30, I don't want - no, scratch that - I can't be associated with anything that group is part of.

/this

So, now that's out of the way, what about the RL torch idea? I think it's a great one, and if people started taking their torch photos--either personally holding one or creating something great with a torch as the focus, that would be a great way to show the real people behind the in-game torch holding rallies.

dwturducken · October 03, 2012, 02:53:37 AM

It would be naive to think that Anonymous is not watching this.

Segev · October 03, 2012, 03:14:09 AM

It would be unfair to ask those of us who count themselves amongst Them to reveal it.

Leaving Anonymous aside, I do think 4chan's /v/ or /tg/ would be a good place to show some of these, if only because a lot of the internet goes there and it will get attention.

eabrace · October 03, 2012, 03:38:26 AM

Quote from: dwturducken on October 03, 2012, 02:53:37 AM
It would be naive to think that Anonymous is not watching this.

I understand that, but there are no kidding legal ramifications that some people might have to consider should they suddenly become associated with such a group. The sort of legal ramifications that would lead to them being blackballed in their industry.

They can watch all they like. But the minute they so much as hint at becoming involved, I would need to immediately end my association with the #SaveCOH campaign.

dwturducken · October 03, 2012, 03:43:50 AM

Do they normally act in the name of someone else? My impression is they pretty much take whatever credit is covered by anonymity. You're saying that, should Anonymous take some action against NCSoft, no matter the motivation, you would be out? Isn't that like swearing off airline travel because a plane crashes?

P51mus · October 03, 2012, 03:50:56 AM

Quote from: dwturducken on October 03, 2012, 03:43:50 AM
Do they normally act in the name of someone else? My impression is they pretty much take whatever credit is covered by anonymity. You're saying that, should Anonymous take some action against NCSoft, no matter the motivation, you would be out? Isn't that like swearing off airline travel because a plane crashes?

That'd be like swearing off piloting airplanes because some terrorists highjacked one and flew it into a skyscraper. (Sidenote: people switching from flying to driving for a while after 9/11 caused about as many deaths from car crashes as died in that horrific event itself. Or maybe it was more, I forget specifics. Flying is still safer than driving.)

Segev · October 03, 2012, 03:54:22 AM

Guys, lay off him. It's likely that he's got RL issues that mean he'd be in legal trouble of his own - I'm guessing due to his RL employment - should any hint of him being associated with an..."organization" for lack of a better word...like Anonymous crop up. It is his decision to make, and frankly, I will assume They will stay out of it for the time being if we don't encourage Them. So we won't. Because eabrace is a cool guy and we value his participation.

dwturducken · October 03, 2012, 03:57:55 AM

Sorry. I forgot the smiley. I was just teasing and meant no offense.

P51mus · October 03, 2012, 04:29:12 AM

I'm wondering what kind of job would react so badly to being in the same neighborhood of anonymous when they do something and in no way responsible for causing the actions of an internet force of nature. Politics?

That's all I can think of. They'll slam someone for someone's neighbor's uncle's dog biting a mailman or something.

Segev · October 03, 2012, 04:57:36 AM

Politics is one. Government jobs could be another. But I'm betting private company that does government contracting.

P51mus · October 03, 2012, 05:11:00 AM

So uh, yeah, this topic was supposed to be about torches wasn't it?

I like this idea. Hero/villain cosplay optional.

Zolgar · October 03, 2012, 08:05:20 AM

Quote from: P51mus on October 03, 2012, 05:11:00 AM
So uh, yeah, this topic was supposed to be about torches wasn't it?

I like this idea. Hero/villain cosplay optional.

Yes, fire. Fire good.

If we get much of this, I will try to get one. I'll probably just use my breathing torch, even though it doesn't look all fancy and wooden and stuff.

Segev · October 03, 2012, 01:43:59 PM

Absolutely. I sincerely apologize for any distraction I provided from that important topic. The OP contains a brilliant idea!

Get your pictures of yourselves and friends, in or out of cosplay, holding aloft things-that-look-like-torches, and put them up in any image forum (facebook, 4chan, whatever you can think of) you care to!

Jetfire99 · October 03, 2012, 10:33:52 PM

Sorry about the delay I had a lot of work to do for my job yesterday. First of it's all right your forgiven but yes those options are so red they make my flinch I'd rather not get into that. So after thinking about things a bit more. We need to do the following if I'm to head this.

I have no talent with image editing I'll need someone to be willing to aid on making the combined collage of all the photos we get from this. Second off I'll need to make a drop email addy for all the photos this should be easy enough. Second off do not use an actual torch if there's any safety a flash light made up to look like one will work well enough for the message that's going to be sent. Also I want to keep this entirely blue side we have to keep it good or well we'll hurt ourselves in the long run. I need to do a bit more thinking but ya. If you can cos play awesome if you can't that's fine it's about putting we're not just faceless blobs of text on the internet.

Zolgar · October 04, 2012, 01:38:22 AM

Quote from: Jetfire99 on October 03, 2012, 10:33:52 PM
Second off do not use an actual torch if there's any safety a flash light made up to look like one will work well enough for the message that's going to be sent. Also I want to keep this entirely blue side

If you are on private property where you have permission to do so, real flame is completely, 100% legal.

If this goes forward and anyone in AZ wants to do it, I can see if I can arrange a location for a shoot, and some torches for people to borrow.

Jetfire99 · October 04, 2012, 03:09:56 AM

Quote from: Zolgar on October 04, 2012, 01:38:22 AM
If you are on private property where you have permission to do so, real flame is completely, 100% legal.

If this goes forward and anyone in AZ wants to do it, I can see if I can arrange a location for a shoot, and some torches for people to borrow.

Oh i totally agree if possible but I there's a fire warning round where I live right now the only safe place for me would be the beach out on a sandbar at low tide. :)

Zolgar · October 04, 2012, 03:54:21 AM

Quote from: Jetfire99 on October 04, 2012, 03:09:56 AM

Oh i totally agree if possible but I there's a fire warning round where I live right now the only safe place for me would be the beach out on a sandbar at low tide. :)

Fire on the beach is awesome.

Get a group together with torches, get a good shot of all of them, overlooking the ocean.. even better if you're westcoast and it's just enough after sunset that the glow of the sun is still visible on the horizon... >.>

Zolgar · October 08, 2012, 05:50:58 AM

I just wanna bring this back up to the forefront.

Whether it's a real torch or a costume one.
Whether it's 1 person or 50.
Whether you're in street clothes or a hero costume.
Whether it's in your front yard, or at a convention.
This is worth doing!

When I have the time, I will be trying to get one or two of myself standing with a torch..
And maybe one of me blasting off the torch, just for shits and giggles ;)

Segev · October 08, 2012, 02:14:56 PM

Has somebody come forward to volunteer to receive/collect all these images? I do strongly suggest people at LEAST post their pictures in this thread, but also find image boards to distribute them on. It's the same purpose as the /em holdtorch vigils with the afk messages pointing to "Save CoH."

Meanwhile, whoever takes this on to gather them up can put together more organized distribution campaigns. I have my hands full with the Media Day event, which is going to eat most of my free time for the next 12 days. But if somebody will take charge of this and gather the images up, and we can put together any sort of poster/collage to have available for Media Day and the other things going on on Oct. 20, this would have a big impact, I think.