Incarnate Rech Buffs on PA??

Started by Golden Destroyer, April 22, 2012, 10:03:38 AM

Golden Destroyer

So I was checking about in Mids for an Ill/Time Controller, and by the end of the build, I got to 5 secs off perma PA, so I chose to go Spiritual. Only, spiritual didn't affect PA's rech at all, neither did Agility. Is this a bug that Mids has, or is it just that PA can't accept incarnate rech buffs?

GuyPerfect

Sounds like you might be running into Enhancement Diversification. How is Phantom Army slotted, and which Alpha Abilities did you try with it?

Golden Destroyer

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It has 4 Expedient Reinforcements, only two of which give a rech redux, which are the trips. It says my Rech % is at 42.40% on PA, so I don't think ED is a problem there. I planned on using Spiritual to get those last 5 seconds needed for perma, so I went for that and then PA claims its rech % is at 87.40% with Spiritual, but the rech time number hasn't moved at all, it remains the same regardless.

EDIT: Here is my build to show the issue. Also, I found that the common Ageless seems to buff my rech # for it as well, so I believe the problem may be that Spiritual doesn't count as a Global Recharge Bonus.

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GuyPerfect

Quote from: Golden Destroyer on April 22, 2012, 09:06:57 PM[...] so I believe the problem may be that Spiritual doesn't count as a Global Recharge Bonus.

Well I can tell you that much right now, at least. Alpha is not a global stat bonus to your character. It's an Enhancement that applies to all powers that benefit from the applicable effects.

Golden Destroyer

Quote from: GuyPerfect on April 23, 2012, 03:09:44 AM
Well I can tell you that much right now, at least. Alpha is not a global stat bonus to your character. It's an Enhancement that applies to all powers that benefit from the applicable effects.

I already knew that, hence my previous statement. XD

I'm just saying that I'm fairly certain this may be a bug within Mids' BECAUSE it's not global recharge, lol. While I personally have not played an ill/??? to 50 before, I know several folks who have done so and went spiritual for the recharge for PA.

Codewalker

Something's definitely up, spiritual isn't budging the recharge on PA even with nothing slotted. I don't see anything obviously wrong in the database as to why it would only affect that one power.

Diellan

Quote from: Codewalker on April 23, 2012, 05:57:22 AM
Something's definitely up, spiritual isn't budging the recharge on PA even with nothing slotted. I don't see anything obviously wrong in the database as to why it would only affect that one power.

That's bizarre. So long as that power has Recharge_Buffs in its BoostsAllowed section and doesn't have RechargeTime in its Ignore Enhancements (aka StrengthsDisallowed), it should apply just fine.

Hyperstrike

Sorry to necro this thread.  Figured it'd probably be better than rehashing the whole thing again in a new post.

As of 08/29/2012, this bug is still in effect.

Slotting Cardiac or Agility causes recharge of the power itself to spike 20-30%  But the actual recharge time indicated in Mids doesn't budge.

Any idea what's going on here?


Golden Destroyer

Are you saying that the Global Recharge indicator doesn't acknowledge the Spiritual recharge buff? If so, that's actually intended, since Spiritual doesn't actually give global recharge.