"Most Used" salvage

[Aggelakis]

So I have a proposal that I have no idea how to create the foundation for. I would like to see a list of all the Invention Salvage that goes from most used to least used. I have a theory that there are a few really-overused pieces and several really-underused pieces that could easily be substituted for an overused piece. Granted, such a suggestion would require a lot of data changes, but I think if demand for pieces were spread out over a wider variety instead of seeming to concentrate on just a handful of salvage in each level bracket it'd be better for the game. It is kind of weird that the devs seemed to latch on to a few different pieces of salvage and used them in almost freakin' everything.

However, I have no idea how to massage DPL or complex templating into making a list of all salvage that sorts itself by usage numbers and also lists the number of uses after it. I've managed to make a list of all salvage sorted by usage numbers. It's the second part that is completely beyond me.

I'm off to work in a couple minutes so it'll be a few hours before I return to this thread. Just forewarning if there are questions/concerns.

[Blondeshell]

Not sure if this'll help at all, but I started something like this back in 2007.  I hadn't yet updated anything with the changes to temp power recipies, and it's a lot of manual counting, but it could be useful for something.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=119737

[GuyPerfect]

Dunno about DPL, but I put together a program to do the heavy lifting.

Full list with recipes is here:
http://perfectkiosk.net/guyperfect/SalvageUsage.txt

Abridged list with just Salvage is as follows:

123   Com   Mid   Spell Ink
122   Com   Mid   Rune
120   Com   Mid   Demonic Blood Sample
119   Com   Mid   Circuit Board
118   Com   Mid   Alchemical Silver
117   Com   Mid   Stabilized Mutant Genome
117   Com   Mid   Scientific Theory
117   Com   Mid   Masterwork Weapon
117   Com   Mid   Improvised Cybernetic
117   Com   Mid   Ancient Bone
116   Com   Mid   Iron
112   Com   Mid   Inert Gas
106   Com   Low   Runebound Armor
106   Com   Low   Luck Charm
104   Com   Low   Simple Chemical
104   Com   Low   Computer Virus
104   Com   Low   Brass
103   Com   Low   Spiritual Essence
103   Com   Low   Boresight
102   Com   Low   Human Blood Sample
102   Com   Low   Clockwork Winder
101   Com   Low   Spell Scroll
100   Com   Low   Inanimate Carbon Rod
100   Com   Low   Ancient Artifact
81   Com   High  Ruby
79   Com   High  Silver
79   Com   High  Regenerating Flesh
79   Com   High  Fortune
78   Com   High  Spirit Thorn
77   Com   High  Ceramic Armor Plate
76   Com   High  Mathematic Proof
76   Com   High  Hydraulic Piston
75   Com   High  Nevermelting Ice
75   Com   High  Demonic Threat Report
73   Com   High  Kinetic Weapon
71   Com   High  Temporal Analyzer
61   Unc   Mid   Ensorcelled Weapon
60   Unc   Mid   Steel
60   Unc   Mid   Corrosive Gas
60   Unc   Mid   Carnival of Shadows Mask
60   Unc   Mid   Alchemical Gold
59   Unc   Mid   Commercial Cybernetic
58   Unc   Mid   Scientific Law
58   Unc   Mid   Data Drive
57   Unc   Mid   Living Tattoo
56   Unc   Low   Unearthed Relic
56   Unc   Mid   Symbol
54   Unc   High  Titanium Shard
54   Unc   High  Thorn Tree Vine
54   Unc   Mid   Mutant DNA Strand
54   Unc   Mid   Blood of the Incarnate
53   Unc   Low   Volume of the Obsidian Librum
53   Unc   Low   Heavy Water
53   Unc   High  Energy Weapon
53   Unc   Low   Daemon Program
51   Unc   Low   Psionic Ectoplasm
50   Unc   Low   Polycarbon
49   Unc   Low   Temporal Sands
49   Unc   Low   Scope
48   Unc   High  Unquenchable Flame
48   Unc   Low   Soulbound Armor
48   Unc   High  Psionic Threat Report
48   Unc   Low   Mutant Blood Sample
48   Unc   High  Destiny
47   Unc   High  Bleeding Stone
46   Unc   High  Gold
46   Unc   Low   Chemical Formula
46   Unc   High  Chaos Theorem
45   Unc   High  Pneumatic Piston
45   Unc   Low   Clockwork Gear
44   Unc   High  Temporal Tracer
44   Unc   High  Sapphire
43   Rare  High  Platinum
43   Rare  High  Chronal Skip
41   Rare  High  Hamidon Goo
39   Rare  High  Prophecy
39   Rare  High  Essence of the Furies
38   Rare  Mid   Military Cybernetic
38   Rare  Mid   Deific Weapon
37   Rare  Mid   Soul Trapped Gem
37   Rare  High  Positronic Matrix
37   Rare  High  Pangean Soil
36   Rare  High  Synthetic Intelligence Unit
36   Rare  High  Photonic Weapon
36   Rare  Mid   Mutating Genome
36   Rare  High  Magical Conspiracy
35   Rare  Mid   Reactive Gas
35   Rare  Mid   Holographic Memory
35   Rare  Mid   Empowered Sigil
34   Rare  Mid   Mu Vestment
34   Rare  Mid   Impervium
34   Rare  Mid   Conspiratorial Evidence
33   Rare  Mid   Enchanted Impervium
31   Rare  Low   Plasma Capacitor
31   Rare  Low   Enriched Plutonium
31   Rare  High  Diamond
31   Rare  Mid   Black Blood of the Earth
30   Rare  Low   Strand of Fate
30   Rare  High  Rikti Alloy
30   Rare  Low   Heads Up Display
29   Rare  Low   Alien Blood Sample
28   Rare  Low   Page from the Malleus Mundi
28   Rare  Low   Lament Box
27   Rare  Low   Complex Chemical Formula
26   Rare  Low   Symbiotic Armor
26   Rare  Low   Source Code
26   Rare  Low   Psionic Manifestation
26   Rare  Low   Psionicly Charged Brass

[GuyPerfect]

Some recipes are more in demand than others, which may have an affect on Salvage prices on the market. In particular, keep an eye on Kinetic Combat and the Miracle / Numina's Convalescence / Regenerative Tissue / Performance Shifter procs.

[WanderingAries]

I can see the merit of this as some recipies for crafting seem to be scewed towards certain salvage, but I'm wondering how you will rank them? Do you rank based on ingame mechanics or real world usage? Just because salvage A is in half the recipies doesn't mean that lesser spread salvage B isn't used more because of recipie group X in real world trials. Good idea, just curious how it's going to work.

[Sleepykitty]

<.< you can go to the auction house and just look at the salvage. a lot of the numbers are inflated, but generally looking at # sitting around vs # being bid on gives a good idea the ones that get used more.

>_> cept for the 30-50.. all of those are in insane amounts because the f2p and 2/3rds of the premium ppl can't use them so just dump but...

[Aggelakis]

I can see the merit of this as some recipies for crafting seem to be scewed towards certain salvage, but I'm wondering how you will rank them? Do you rank based on ingame mechanics or real world usage? Just because salvage A is in half the recipies doesn't mean that lesser spread salvage B isn't used more because of recipie group X in real world trials. Good idea, just curious how it's going to work.

I was just doing some brain dumping, really. I was looking to see if there was some sort of serious imbalance of salvage usage. Looking to see if there was somewhere that salvage could be evened out, which would spread out some of the demand. Was going to base a suggestion on the official forums off the info.

It looks like there occasionally is, for instance:
- Luck Charm is tied for most-used low level common salvage, *AND* it's in several very common recipes (Accuracy, Defense, and a large number of low level special IOs).
- the most-used high level rare salvage (Platinum) is used almost twice as much as the least used (Psionicly Charged Brass) - *and* Platinum is used in a large number of very rares and some of the more popular rares.

However, it's actually not as bad as I initially thought. They *do* occasionally overuse some salvage but they've done an OK job of spreading things out. Could use some tweaking but it's not as bad as I thought.

Thanks, Guy, for the quicklist.

[Aggelakis]

<.< you can go to the auction house and just look at the salvage. a lot of the numbers are inflated, but generally looking at # sitting around vs # being bid on gives a good idea the ones that get used more.

>_> cept for the 30-50.. all of those are in insane amounts because the f2p and 2/3rds of the premium ppl can't use them so just dump but...

This has absolutely nothing to do with what the thread is talking about.

[Sleepykitty]

o.o;; sorry if I misread. seemed to be talking about highest used salvage, meaning either 1) most often assigned by the devs to be used in the invention system, or 2) actually most used by the player base. I started assuming #1, but some of the above bits I was skimming brought up #2. since there where several suggestions for the first, I mentioned a way to get an idea about which have the highest volume of use.

@.@ seriously, I'm not trying to upset you or anything, but you away seem mad when I suggest something.

[Aggelakis]

Some people mistake terseness with some kind of emotion. Unless I actually say that I'm mad, I'm not. I use few words, which more chatty people take to mean something completely different than their intent.

Thanks for explaining why you posted what you did, though.

[GuyPerfect]

Holy cow, Platinum IS used in a lot of purples. I know also that there tends to be a very high demand for Alchemical Silver, though that might be due to the number of recipes they're used in.

I think we can put together some more reports to get a better idea of how the inventions tie in with market demand. Is there any information someone's curious about that I could generate?

[Aggelakis]

I have no idea what kind of structure such a project would have. I don't have a brain built for that kind of theorycrafting.

[Sleepykitty]

o_o other than trying to get an idea how to game the markets more, I'm not sure what use this date has in the long run.

I kinda always expected the devs to have balanced the salvage used in things more by this point...