The Shot Heard Around Paragon City - SCORE Public Release

[Castegyre]

Good luck with the things and stuff.

[summers]

No, now is the time for him to step back into the quiet.

We need others to pick up the torch, he carried it a long time and got burned a little.

No, it's really not. We don't know what is happening - maybe you do, but those kinds of secrets are exactly what got us to the point we are at now.

People need to know what is happening.

[kiario]

Here is hoping the code gets free and I can set up my own server and play solo :)
Wonder how many gigs the game is?

[Arkasas]

No, it's really not. We don't know what is happening - maybe you do, but those kinds of secrets are exactly what got us to the point we are at now.

People need to know what is happening.

Leandro and some others are discussing what'll happen to the code over voice in the SEGS discord. I imagine things will filter out from there to here and reddit and so on.

[Kheprera]

Leandro and some others are discussing what'll happen to the code over voice in the SEGS discord. I imagine things will filter out from there to here and reddit and so on.

They need to ensure the code is scrubbed. Listening to them as I work. I wish I could help, but my skills are weak in this kind of work.

[Primus1]

Its being posted everywhere, this happened in the wee hours of the night on discord there was over 100 people in voice chat during this period.

https://puu.sh/Dgpzj/32ed08128a.mp3

What bugs me is Leandro said here that he needs to make sure if he releases the code, he doesn't want any paths to lead to the original person that leaked gets in trouble but they had 6-7 years to do this with a running game and chose to just play it instead for 6-7 years.

[Azrael]

Can you quote where anybody said those words, above?

What I at least am saying is that whatever state it's in, what Destroyer Stroyer described is NOT some wonderful perfect copy of the original NCSoft server that Leandro has been sitting on and refusing to share.

Likewise, if they were considering an "event leading to a release" then the current level of scrutiny has convinced them that the current level of completeness is NOT ready for prime time.

I mean, you can't have it both ways. If you want to quote Leandro about the projected release and say, "He was going to release it sometime soon; it must be ready", you can't then ignore that it was also Leandro who decided that the current state of the server was NOT conducive to a release that will be scrutinized to the level that such a release will now be scrutinized. Likewise, if we take PC Gamer and/or Massively at face value regarding their emailed conversations with Leandro, then it appears that the issue is (and I freely admit that I'm speculating now) that he expects action from NCSoft as soon as the server is released, so he now wants to have it be not just "ready for testing" but "finished" to the point where no more work is required and it can be disseminated widely enough that action by NCSoft will be futile.

It doesn't really matter if you or I would say, "Frag the deficiencies! Give us the server!" Leandro's got the server and it's his yardstick that measures how close it is to ready; not ours.

The Sword of Damocles.

A fine post.

Azrael.

[Ironwolf]

No, it's really not. We don't know what is happening - maybe you do, but those kinds of secrets are exactly what got us to the point we are at now.

People need to know what is happening.

I don't do secret except for when I was in the military - check out RAF Bentwaters and UFO visits. I was there and said nothing for 20 years in accordance with my NDA when I got out - I was a flightline night supervisor.

I can tell you I am going to try to move things forward. I work full time and while I can post on boards when its quiet - I could not in good conscience run a second business while I work.

I retire on 30th August 2019. I will get a very nice parting severance when I go and I was considering what to do with my time - Fate has intervened. I can't tell you more than this right now - because it is all I know. I am not going to do it alone and once things are planned I will let you know.

So many things to consider so I will say this:

"It's not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly.... Who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." -Teddy Roosevelt

[Noyjitat]

No, now is the time for him to step back into the quiet.

We need others to pick up the torch, he carried it a long time and got burned a little.

No now is the time to not only live up to the lie but to release what they have. Especially witn idiotic
Change.org petitions and articles reaching out to ncsoft for comment.

If morons like that keep reminding ncsoft about this they will be more inclined to investigate.

[Primus1]

No now is the time to not only live up to the lie but to release what they have. Especially witn idiotic
Change.org petitions and articles reaching out to ncsoft for comment.

If morons like that keep reminding ncsoft about this they will be more inclined to investigate.

Those news pages reaching out to NcSoft was the most idiotic thing they could've done.
They often write about COH whenever there is news as if they care but they would love for a huge "big drama show."
to write more about and get more views on their sites. Just dirty. 

[Dev7on]

Since the private City of Heroes server has been leaked are the people are going to continue with the spiritual successors such City of Titans, Ship of Heroes ect?

[Tahquitz]

Since the private City of Heroes server has been leaked are the people are going to continue with the spiritual successors such City of Titans, Ship of Heroes ect?

It's been said repeatedly by Missing Worlds Media and Heroic Games, if City of Heroes comes back, they'll keep going regardless.  I do not know for any other titles, but City of Titans and Ship of Heroes is full speed ahead.

[rookery.]

Yep. Still looking forward to COT, SOH and the others.

[SilverAgeFan]

<snip>

This is 16 servers that were bought over a period of 6 years to expand the population as fast as we could, because every single one of them was a remind of what happens when we take too long. We lose a friend. Then another. Then another.

Red Dragon, Lady Judgement, Janlee, Staff Kain, Raine Heartfall, Gloryhound, Mrs. PosiChimp, Reikun. So many more. They are not servers yet because we have not had the resources to remember them that way. Every single server is a reminder, and every single time I hear about the passing of a COH player, I am reminded that I'm not doing enough and I'm not doing things fast enough.

<snip>

I know the community is hurt and it's my fault. I am moving as fast as I can to try to make things better, but I can't make instantly get everything ready. I have not slept since my phone was published on Monday at 2am and notifications haven't stopped ringing since then.

Please. Have patience. I am only human. And I am trying really hard to keep almost 3539 people from being harrassed and threatened as I have been for the last 4 days.

Yes, almost 3539 people. Because many of them are not around anymore. And every single one of them is a reminder of my failure to make this work.

Leandro, thank you for coming in here and humanizing your side of this story, your efforts, and the losses you too have shared. Also thank you for giving some clarity to the Herculean nature of the work involved. The last 48 hours must have been traumatic and thankless for you.

I cannot speak for anyone but myself, but you have cemented my respect for you and regained a level of trust.

If there was a way to donate to a server purchase effort that would further accelerate your attempts, I'm interested. And I'm not trying to buy my way into a secret server. This is with the larger goal of them being more openly available to what remains of the game's community. Please find a way, despite the last 48 hours, to trust some members of the larger community to help in ways we can.

My one selfish request in this as it all goes forward, please please please preserve the username and character database. And even if this moves towards multiple pservers distributed amongst the community, please consider advancing some means for those that desire it, to somehow restore their original account data, regardless of what server they end up on.

[nicoliy]

What a crazy 48 hours. I have no idea how I could help, I'm no programmer, but when hands are needed I don't mind doing whatever grunt work helps (scrubbing files, writing docs etc.).

[Arkasas]

As I understand it, the source (original i24 flavor, I think) has been passed on for scrubbing, with release of some nature expected in the not-too-distant future. Things are still up in the air, but Leandro has handed over the torch.

[nicoliy]

As I understand it, the source (original i24 flavor, I think) has been passed on for scrubbing, with release of some nature expected in the not-too-distant future. Things are still up in the air, but Leandro has handed over the torch.

Where did you see that? I listened to the discord recording, but what he and the other guy talked about in private was all hush hush.

[Arkasas]

Where did you see that? I listened to the discord recording, but what he and the other guy talked about in private was all hush hush.

It just happened in the SEGS Discord over the course of an hour, ending ~20 minutes ago; I don't know what was going on with the other guy.

[Ohioknight]

So, no surprise, Leandro is, after all, one of the guys who's most been helping and supporting CoH players and community for years both before and after the shutdown. 

What we know now. 

This IS the original I24 Beta server code leaked anonymously over a period of several days before the shutdown.  The code as he received it is full of timestamps that would allow ID-ing the person who leaked who specifically requested he not publish without scrubbing.  He has been trying to scrub/rewrite but it's very slow going. The player character database was separately sent him anonymously but also contains time information that would allow id-ing the source. 

The game is every bit as much a mess as we've always heard. The "server" is a set of custom boxes running old software versions and talking to each other in specific timing sequences.  The ExCel spreadsheets that the Devs used have been reworked into something more usable.  He has a loose team of roughly 5 who have been able to get the thing running and keep it functional while they work to improve it. The last time anybody but him saved a change was 10 months ago.

At least one other person has a DIFFERENT copy of the source code, not from the same leak.

[Zombie Man]

More information will be coming - looks like my retirement will be really short.

Soon as possible more information and requests for help will be given.

To be crystal clear - I have no connection to a private server - I have never been on it and want no information about it. Detailed information about what is happening will be available as soon as possible. This will take a little time and planning to do.

Thank-you!