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Luke Cage
« on: September 30, 2016, 09:26:12 PM »
The show is very interesting. I love how they put modern and old school black culture in a superhero show. I hope they do something similar with Black Panther coming in 2018. I also love Cottonmouth having a big Notorious B.I.G painting in his office.  8)

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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2016, 10:02:21 PM »
Is this out already?  I wasn't expecting it for a bit.
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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2016, 11:42:26 PM »
It hit Netflix today.
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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2016, 12:34:56 PM »
Liked the D-Nice cameo.

Love the way the music occasionally drifts towards old 70s action flicks.

Now I'm just hoping for a Sweet Christmas...
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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2016, 01:12:11 PM »
Started a bit slow but really digging it now (i'm through 6). The Raphael Saadiq and Charles Bradley showcases were sweet.

Wondering if Misty's going to be losing an arm this season or if they'll save that.

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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2016, 12:09:01 AM »
I like it overall.  They did a great job with the main villain again.  Cottonmouth makes a good antagonist and Shades provides a decent secondary.  The one thing that really disappoints me is the fight choreography.  Daredevil is outstanding and all the fights in Jessica Jones that were supposed to feature skilled fighters were really good.  But all the fights in Cage are like something choreographed by amateurs.

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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2016, 11:14:34 AM »
And I'm done. Great show, though the eps written by the creator have some hokey dialogue to them. Good set ups for future stuff. Good to see Sharon Jones is healthy again and that the Delfonics are still able to perform (even if they did go to the Ashlee Simpson school of lip syncing).

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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2016, 12:53:18 PM »
After all that 70's music it was really refreshing to hear Method Man rap about Luke Cage ;D

all the fights in Jessica Jones that were supposed to feature skilled fighters were really good.  But all the fights in Cage are like something choreographed by amateurs.
Maybe that's the point, Cage has super strength. Remember what happened to those Atlas thugs when you hit 'em with a high lvl ss toon?
The fights look like he is deliberately trying to prevent knocking them halfway across NY (so to speak).

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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2016, 02:27:40 PM »
When voice doesn't get through clearly, try sending a text for crying out loud.
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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2016, 01:03:02 AM »
After all that 70's music it was really refreshing to hear Method Man rap about Luke Cage ;D
Maybe that's the point, Cage has super strength. Remember what happened to those Atlas thugs when you hit 'em with a high lvl ss toon?
The fights look like he is deliberately trying to prevent knocking them halfway across NY (so to speak).

It's not so much that as it is the awkward and slow movement by all the people involved.  They include multiple people who have obviously had just a couple of hours worth of training in stage combat.

Of course I see things a bit different than most people.  It's like if you watch a certain video game being played but you have never played it yourself and only see it occasionally then you don't even see a lot of the stuff that is going on.  But if you play it a lot then every element seems obvious.  I spent 10 years choreographing fights and doing stage combat so skill levels and pattern fights are obvious to me.  In a way I hate it because it ruins a lot of movie fights that I would have thought were cool once upon a time.

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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2016, 02:01:35 AM »
I didn't mind the fights for the brawls or slapstick super strength they were for the most part.  But some of the effects bothered me a little.  For instance, when a character got punched into a van, the crush and scoot didn't flow well with the impact.

And now that I've finished the series, I gotta say I think the ending was unsatisfying and I think Diamondback was a real let down.  Cottonmouth was decent, and Shades was good, but that served to build up their unseen leader who then turned out to be a sulking man-child.  Overall I still really liked it, though.
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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2016, 02:47:28 AM »
Gonna be kinda weird when Diamondback comes back as Captain America's girlfriend.

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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2016, 06:04:00 AM »
I liked it.  Better than Jessica Jones which I also liked.  Not as good as both seasons of DD. 

My gripes with the show was there was a lot of name dropping and references that went over my head.  It felt like I had to have grown up in Harlem for me to know what they were talking about.  Definitely could have used more hip-hop.  I know Powerman came up in the 70's but the blaxploitation influences were a bit heavy and made it a bit less relevant to me.  I felt like the guy who played Zip was a bit of a bad actor.  Something about his facial ticks.

Other than that I feel like Marvel churned out another solid tv series.  Keep em comin
 

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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2016, 10:22:29 PM »
Finally got through the entire first season.

What I liked:

1.  I liked that it was different than DD or JJ.  80%, maybe 90% of it was totally different.  It felt like a totally different story about totally different kinds of people in a totally different place that just happened to exist in the Marvel Universe.  Did I like it as much as DD or JJ?  Probably not, by a small margin, but that's a personal preference thing.  But it was a different series appealing to different tastes in different ways.  This is important for Marvel to continue to expand the big tent of the Marvel Universe without running into what some people call "superhero exhaustion."

2.  I liked that it was pinned to a real place: Harlem.  While JJ is strongly set in Hell's Kitchen, not a lot of it seems to relate to things distinct to Hell's Kitchen except for people calling it that.  Luke Cage felt like it was set in a real place that was unique.

3.  I liked that the fights were not as choreographed as in DD.  DD is about a trained fighter fighting other people many of which are in some ways trained fighters.  Luke Cage is about a guy who mostly plows through people because he knows he is invincible and fights people many of which are mostly used to getting their way shooting at people, or grew up street brawlers.  In many fights Luke Cage actually expresses incredulity that the people he fights don't just run away.  I think showing how Luke Cage has become almost resigned to his invulnerability was important as a contrast to when that invulnerability was challenged.

4.  I liked how the story wasn't about just one villain.  It almost seemed to be about how there's always going to be this place for someone to step up and be the bad guy, and you can't just fix things by beating the bad guy.  You just leave a vacuum for the next bad guy that wants to step up.  And I liked how it showed how bad guys aren't necessarily born bad guys.  Sometimes they evolve into bad guys just like the good guys evolve into good guys.  Sometimes they drive themselves there Fisk-style like Diamondback, and sometimes they fall to temptation.


What I didn't like:

1.  I didn't like the fight at the end.  I'm not saying I didn't like that there was one, but something about it felt out of place in Luke Cage.  There was some hints of it leading up to it, but I don't think they set it up well.  It just seems to come out of nowhere.

2.  I didn't like the way they tried to explain Luke Cage's powers.  I did like some of the elements of that, including the mysteries surrounding Riva.  But the science-y parts also seemed a bit out of place.  It would almost have been better if they just hand waved it away as being something they just didn't understand, at least to me.

3.  Pacing.  Pacing felt uneven.  A lot of it was set up to be sure, and maybe it was necessary.  But it didn't feel as tight as DD did in the first season, say (not that DD season one was perfect either).  It felt like they had to spend a lot of time introducing a lot of characters.  If this was a 22 episode normal television show season, ironically that might have been paced out better.  But in a 13 episode show it felt very front loaded.  But this is a minor knock, and didn't hurt my enjoyment of the show overall.


Overall:

Initial rating: 8 out of 10.  My only other comment is that ironically Luke Cage felt so much more like a complete story (even with its hooks) that I am not as anxious for the next season as I was for DD or even JJ.  That's not a knock: I'm not saying I'm tired of it or don't want more seasons.  I'm saying I'm satisfied with the story as a complete story.  DD season one felt like the introduction to something.  JJ felt like more of a complete story but also felt like it was setting up something potentially completely different with the dispatch of Kilgrave.  Luke Cage doesn't feel to me like it needs more.  It could easily do more, and season two could be even better.  But for me, I felt like this was a great overall story, and now its on to the Punisher and the Defenders.

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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2016, 12:36:35 AM »
and now its on to the Punisher and the Defenders.
And Iron Fist.
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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2016, 11:31:37 AM »

2.  I didn't like the way they tried to explain Luke Cage's powers.  I did like some of the elements of that, including the mysteries surrounding Riva.  But the science-y parts also seemed a bit out of place.  It would almost have been better if they just hand waved it away as being something they just didn't understand, at least to me.

I actually liked that a lot.  It was true to his comic book origin story.  The only change they made was that in the comic book it was an attempt to come up with a Super Soldier formula and in the series it was rapid healing.

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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2016, 12:17:30 PM »

2.  I liked that it was pinned to a real place: Harlem.  While JJ is strongly set in Hell's Kitchen, not a lot of it seems to relate to things distinct to Hell's Kitchen except for people calling it that.  Luke Cage felt like it was set in a real place that was unique.

And a much cooler Harlem than the actual one. Nary a gourmet mac and cheese or pickle restaurant to be found. No ironic handlebars on faces or vehicles.

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Re: Luke Cage
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2016, 05:46:56 PM »
I enjoyed the minor references to the comics and their characters.

You actually can please the fanboys and the civilians at the same time.