Ridiculous Question

[Sinistar]

Probably but more for the rarity. I hardly pvp'd and those that did fight me brought 20 blues... Jerks! Also, I plan on remaking Rejolt as a dominator so you just did that annoying trick of telling me what to do when I was already doing it.

Original point: I'm in the camp of nothing else NCSoft makes that makes them big bucks has interested me. I gravitate toward modern-era rpg (city of heroes), Sci-fi (tabula rasa, exsteel, auto assault) and NCSoft shut them down.

The one thing that they have is Wildstar. If COH comes back I may give their "wow in space" a shot.

I haven't touched any NCSoft since the shutdown was first announced. Like many I was understandably irate over the shutdown itself and how it was handled.  While some facts have been brought to light since the shutdown, my opinion of NCSoft is still rather sour.

Also in case the market and IO's don't return right away with the game, I was able to cobble together something in MIDS that will have some def cap with SO's in case I need to use such a thing until IO's were restored.

[Cailyn Alaynn]

NDA regardless, the team's not just going to leave the community hanging.

-mom voice-
Now, don't make me start posting pretty, pretty APR screenshots to try and cheer people up!
-wags finger-

[FloatingFatMan]

NDA regardless, the team's not just going to leave the community hanging.

Respectfully, some of us are feeling hung out to dry.

Yes, I know they can't say anything, no I don't want them to risk the deal by doing so, but even so... Eventually, hope gives out to despondency.

[Cailyn Alaynn]

Respectfully, some of us are feeling hung out to dry.
Yes, I know they can't say anything, no I don't want them to risk the deal by doing so, but even so... Eventually, hope gives out to despondency.

I meant more...if the deal's dead-dead...it won't left a mystery.
and I've noticed the feeling. I wish there was more I could do, honest.

[FloatingFatMan]

I meant more...if the deal's dead-dead...it won't left a mystery.
and I've noticed the feeling. I wish there was more I could do, honest.

It wouldn't be so bad if there were any MMO's out there worth playing; but I've tried them all since CoH was brutally axed in the back, and NONE of them match up to CoH.  They're prettier, have superior engines and all that stuff, but they're all soulless pieces of garbage. They don't have the "X-Factor" that CoH had in spades.

To be blunt, they're ALL a pile of pancake.

[Harermuir]

I meant more...if the deal's dead-dead...it won't left a mystery.
and I've noticed the feeling. I wish there was more I could do, honest.

If the deal's dead, the only one who will know is NCsoft, because they are the only one who may decide it to be dead. And we will only know if they find that us knowing it is in their best interrest.

[Cailyn Alaynn]

It wouldn't be so bad if there were any MMO's out there worth playing; but I've tried them all since CoH was brutally axed in the back, and NONE of them match up to CoH.  They're prettier, have superior engines and all that stuff, but they're all soulless pieces of garbage. They don't have the "X-Factor" that CoH had in spades.
To be blunt, they're ALL a pile of pancake.

Agreed. When I've got free time I sometimes bounce from MMO to MMO. Haven't found one that really holds my attention for more than a few hours. ToR sometimes manages to get a day or two, because it's Star Wars. Oh, and waaaay too much Warframe...but that's not really an MMO.

Also, Mmmmm......Now I'm thinking about a nice stack of banana pancakes. xD

[Solitaire]

It wouldn't be so bad if there were any MMO's out there worth playing; but I've tried them all since CoH was brutally axed in the back, and NONE of them match up to CoH.  They're prettier, have superior engines and all that stuff, but they're all soulless pieces of garbage. They don't have the "X-Factor" that CoH had in spades.

To be blunt, they're ALL a pile of pancake.

Totally agree!

[Surelle]

If the deal's dead, the only one who will know is NCsoft, because they are the only one who may decide it to be dead. And we will only know if they find that us knowing it is in their best interrest.

They will have little choice but to break the news to Nate & Crew at least, because Nate & Crew will keep gently prodding about CoX's imminent return every now and again otherwise.  And then once Nate & Crew find out, they will pass along the info to us however they must without breaking the NDAs.  As someone else pointed out earlier, Nate could easily come onto Facebook and the Titan forums and say that he is now able to focus fully on CoT from here on out with no other distractions, and without there being a separate victory thread on the terms of CoX's/the IP's revival to go with it, we will get the picture that the deal failed from there.

[Surelle]

The new group that would run the game is not Nate.

They had the backing to buy the game at the price offered or nothing further would happen and NCSoft would certainly make sure the money is in Escrow at this point.

Nate wants the IP. I believe he is still in the conversations - but possibly not as much as you might think. Unless there has been a change he was not planning to be the one running the old game. Irish Girl as far as I know works for no one but herself with CoH APR. CoT has offered to help with the costume creator - but the development is Irish Girl's.

If CoX's financial backers are forced to hold their millions in escrow, you'd think they would start becoming irritated at how drawn out this process has become, with all that money being tied up for so long that could be invested into other things instead....  I wonder how long they will put up with that before they just withdraw their offer (although maybe this is what NCSoft might be angling for by this point anyway, for all we know, what with all their other more critical recent happenings like the threat of the Nexon takeover and the internal embezzling).

[Harermuir]

They will have little choice but to break the news to Nate & Crew at least, because Nate & Crew will keep gently prodding about CoX's imminent return every now and again otherwise.

And ? What in this cause them any kind of trouble ? In fact, we are asked to stay kind with NCsoft or else the trade may failed. That's a small but net gain for them. If they let us know that the deal will never come to success, there may be another shitstorm on their head. Let us hope that the game will be back online until we get tired of waiting.

[therain93]

They will have little choice but to break the news to Nate & Crew at least, because Nate & Crew will keep gently prodding about CoX's imminent return every now and again otherwise. 

Clearly you've never been told "Don't call us, we'll call you".

[Ultimate15]

Clearly you've never been told "Don't call us, we'll call you".

Hah! I was going to respond to this with a somewhat similar phrase.

Yeeeeeeeeeah...if NCSoft wanted to be really, REALLY difficult about it? Theoretically? I don't think I could see them just 'cutting off' communication entirely and/or indefinitely with little to no reason or explanation as to why...but I absolutely think they could pull the whole 'if/when we're interested, we will contact you' card. Ergo, they leave it vague and open ended on their end while keeping the hope alive on our end, but with no definite agreement one way or the other regarding whether or not some type of deal can be met. Until they sign that disc over (or get the IP, or whatever it is that we're trying to settle on with them) they have the power. They're listening, and I think they find the deal to be at least SOMEWHAT interesting...however, they won't forget for a second that they can shoot it down at any time should they choose to.

But, I agree with Surelle in that if that were to happen, Nate would probably find a very discrete yet diplomatic way to communicate that to everyone - i.e. coming on to these forums, the official COT forums, and various social media platforms with a sentiment of "I can officially state that I am now able to solely focus all of my efforts on the City of Titans title..." etc.

There's just so much left in the unknown at this point. How do we know that some of Nate's backers haven't since already backed out? How do we know that NCSoft isn't far enough removed from the negotiations so that they could care less about constant/consistent emails or phone calls from Nate and his team? Or how do we know that a deal isn't already close to closing, but NCSoft is just waiting out all of this Nexon/embezzlement stuff to sign their names on the dotted line? All we can do is speculate.

Speculate, and eat Cadbury Creme Eggs. Happy Easter everybody.

[Ohioknight]

There's just so much left in the unknown at this point. How do we know that some of Nate's backers haven't since already backed out? How do we know that NCSoft isn't far enough removed from the negotiations so that they could care less about constant/consistent emails or phone calls from Nate and his team? Or how do we know that a deal isn't already close to closing, but NCSoft is just waiting out all of this Nexon/embezzlement stuff to sign their names on the dotted line? All we can do is speculate.

Speculate, and eat Cadbury Creme Eggs. Happy Easter everybody.

Or, for that matter, that the deal is signed, the payments are made, but by terms of the agreement they cannot announce until they have the servers running properly together and all the components (market, account manager, etc.) developed and ready for open testing.  Of course, this seems somewhat unlikely given the general attitude of "well delay is annoying but we're hopeful" that we're hearing from the Illuminati. 

But I could easily envision a signed commitment with milestones waiting on development goals with an NDA on progress as they work towards building a functional system that would be the basis of the deal ... with only IP at a lower price if the system(s) can't be made to work based on what NCSoft has provided.

[Ironwolf]

Ohioknight, that is where I am at as well. You don't spend good money on something that doesn't work.

I personally believe that the development of the server image has to be worked out before the deal is done.

[Ultimate15]

Or, for that matter, that the deal is signed, the payments are made, but by terms of the agreement they cannot announce until they have the servers running properly together and all the components (market, account manager, etc.) developed and ready for open testing.  Of course, this seems somewhat unlikely given the general attitude of "well delay is annoying but we're hopeful" that we're hearing from the Illuminati. 

But I could easily envision a signed commitment with milestones waiting on development goals with an NDA on progress as they work towards building a functional system that would be the basis of the deal ... with only IP at a lower price if the system(s) can't be made to work based on what NCSoft has provided.

...See, that's what I WANT to believe is going on with everything lol. In an ideal world, this would be the reality of the situation. But the half-glass-empty 'realist' in me won't even allow that to be considered as a viable option? I think I might be taking on the 'expect the worst, hope for the best' mentality as a means of preparation should things not pan out for us.

Here's my question though: why do you feel that might be the case? Is it just a hunch, or...? I'm genuinely curious.

[Ankhammon]

Ohioknight, that is where I am at as well. You don't spend good money on something that doesn't work.

I personally believe that the development of the server image has to be worked out before the deal is done.

I think you two have cracked the secret code.

[Rejolt]

To me, and yes the September news brought back old feelings, the game is done. It was a service that ran for over 9 years (including beta) in a genre that wasn't all that popular (comic book RPG) and I had a blast.

I appreciate all the successor projects and the current attempt to bring back COH legacy. I have no expectations and they should take as long as they need to get the job done. Any other mindset is unfair to the procedings.

[Ohioknight]

...See, that's what I WANT to believe is going on with everything lol. In an ideal world, this would be the reality of the situation. But the half-glass-empty 'realist' in me won't even allow that to be considered as a viable option? I think I might be taking on the 'expect the worst, hope for the best' mentality as a means of preparation should things not pan out for us.

Here's my question though: why do you feel that might be the case? Is it just a hunch, or...? I'm genuinely curious.

I try to make sense of the situation.  The Mysterions are obviously frustrated by not being able to tell us something and nearly uncomprehending (to actively hostile in Burnt Toast's case) when people are falling into despair over the apparent stagnation/failure/indefinite termination of the deal -- "WHY CAN'T YOU FOLKS SEE HOW CLOSE THIS IS!!!" seems to me to be their attitude... but they are also apparently frustrated over the pace of developments.  If they were getting fully stonewalled it would be more like "WE HAVE TO KEEP TRYING ... KEEEP TRYYYING  :gonk: "  But this is more like "WHAT, WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT DOCUMENT BACK! MAN, WHAT A WAY TO RUN A RAILROAD" or "OH C'MON! THIS GODDAMN THING!"  It seems to me that our silent friends THINK that there are things GOING ON (beyond negotiations) that they can't mention. 

When I think about that and I think on NCSoft's (and probably the SECRET MASTERS OF THE MYSTERIONS) NDAs on the deal... this tells me that active work is happening but SLOWLY (or at least with slow progress) ... then I think about possible conditions and I take everything we've heard about the technical nature of the game and the missing pieces that will need developing -- and getting things working before a final signature seems most likely.

But I've wildly over-interpreted people's responses before and been wrong (notably the meaning of a certain "GAME CHANGING" piece of information that I always thought was fairly obvious -- the involvement of people who are also involved in COT)

[Codewalker]

What if the main deal is complete but the team building the server is taking a while to get it done? Would you buy a game that you couldn't prove was able to run? I keep saying to people that there are a LOT of moving parts in this deal. You have the IP, the game image, the future leasing and all of them done by different teams.

I kind of doubt that since they haven't tapped any of the people that are most likely to be able to get that done. None of the reverse engineers in the community most experienced with how the game works have even been approached about helping, and none of them are under NDA.

Sure, they could do it without those people, but it would take significantly longer. So I don't believe they are at that stage yet.